it was brought to my attention in another post i did, that i have made up what a man (or woman) ought to be. its been a couple of days since replying because i wanted biblical scripture to back me up. well... here are my findings and i am going to let the scriptures speak for themselves.

Ephesians 5:1-4
"be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. but among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of greed, because these are the improper for God's holy people. nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving."

you all can also look up:
Ephesians 6: 10-18
Galatians 5: 16-26
Exodus 20: 3-17
2 Timothy 2:22


feel free to add more if you have suggestion. this one go ahead and debate about if you want.

thank you for sharing

I am extremely grateful for that piece of information
I did not know that

you are most welcome

I guess it says here that it is OK to sleep outside of marriage if your wife cannot conceive a child.


Genisis
16:1 Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
16:2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.

Not touching this with a ten foot pole

in the other context it says that God told Abram to do so. its really not ok. look at the 10 commandments. this was before God gave his law. besides nowadays, with adoptions... its really not nessessary. he only did that to carry on his line.

Neither Abraham nor his wife trusted God, so they took matters into their own hands. Sarai, in her desperation to have a child asked her husband to sleep with another woman. How is their sinful act proof of God's approval on extra-marital sex? You can't read the Bible as a series of God approved acts. Obviously the Bible describes the sinful acts as well as the Godly ones. Do you think that when David commited adultry it was approved of by God? Obviously not or God wouldn't have sent a prophet to chastise David and God wouldn't have punished David.

yes god describes the sin so we can see where we are and how to get back to where we should be.

heres one where Rachel makes her husband a prostitute for some mandrakes. surely God gives us this story to support prostitution.

Genesis

30:16 And Jacob came out of the field in the evening, and Leah went out to meet him, and said, Thou must come in unto me; for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night.

Dude this was life BEFORE we were given the commandments. Therefore meant to show the way of life before god's guidence. It's like there was a law that says you can beat your wife on the steps of the County Courthouse, now the law reads that you can't. WHICH ONE ARE YOU GOING TO FOLLOW? The one made obsolete by the new law.

look at the context. he was sinning. genesis is a book full of sinful people. look at adam and eve, cain, etc. genesis is only the begining. God gave commandments for a reason, its how we are to live "thou shalt not commit adultury" that includes taking a prostitue. later in the new testiment, Jesus took it a step further saying that if in your heart you sin its just as bad as the act itself.

*walking out of the room* good luck with this!

So you guys are saying at the beginning when God wrote the Book he was like a child still learning what to do. So he is the ever changing God. At the beginning he was one type of God and then Jesus was a whole diffrent God that made all the old stuff obsolete .




Here is an interesting tidbit for woman. After Mary gives birth to the Son of God she still needed to be purified. Did God make it not pure in there? Jesus maybe? Maybe just Mary on her own?

Luke
2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

Okay first of all GOD didn't write the bible man did, that's why I treat it like a guideline not just something to blindly believe. And Jesus was the son of God, NOT A WHOLE OTHER GOD. The book of genesis was written before man (who wrote the bible) went so far astray that god decided they need rules, most of genesis is about the grace of god, and the forgiveness of god and the mercy of god in the face of unaccounted for sin. Finally it got so bad GOD gave HIS SON to save us from our sins of which examples are strung throughout the bible.

well said!

Well then here is a time after Jesus
Timothy 1

2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing,


It really surprises me that you woman would speak up at all. It looks like God makes it clear in the Bible it is not your place.

look at the whole new testiment as a whole, don't pick and choose. you should also do full cross research before making a conclusion. there are some churches that don't allow women to lead anything but children and other women. then there are some who do. that is why the church split. over the small stupid details. the passage you chose was talking about in worship. not in life in general.

Oh, buddy you got it so wrong. THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY MEN SO IT IS A GUIDELINE. Do you not think that in your writings your point of view may not affect the outcome. And second of all it is supposed to be the man's place to be the head of the household, spiritually speaking, as he should lead by example, but that is all he is an example. Yes women did cause the first transgression by eating the damning apple, but that is not to say that man with his own mind and warnings did not also eat the apple, he did not need to eat the apple HE CHOSE TO. Okay so I am sorry that in a book written by MEN they made Eve look like the only one who should be at fault for her decisions.