Actually I CAN know Gods point of view. And no I would never claim I am messiah returned and so blaspheme the God who saved me. But God has revealed Himself to man through his scripture. He has revealed His "point of view" in many things. I would not go as far to say that I know Gods point of view in all things, that would be foolishness. But I do know for a fact from God's standard Judus was an evil wicked man, and Judus berayed Jesus. I KNOW THAT TO BE GODS POINT OF VIEW because that was His point of view revealed in His scripture.

And miles. I know for an absolute fact that if you do not CALL ON THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS FOR YOUR SINS, during your life on earth you will be under Gods wrath at judgement. And there is no good in us at ALL before we are saved. It is impossible to do good things before God prior to salvation.

Judas was the facilitator of Christianity...

And miles. I know for an absolute fact that if you do not CALL ON THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS FOR YOUR SINS, during your life on earth you will be under Gods wrath at judgement. And there is no good in us at ALL before we are saved. It is impossible to do good things before God prior to salvation.

Wow. you seem to know much as fact. I know for a fact that JC has to be the one who says he is a Jew but is not. This is who you worship and the things you do to appease him..

2 Thess 2:5-12

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of LAWLESSNESS is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the LAWLESS ONE ( who you call upon) will be revealed, who Yahweh will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the LAWLESS ONE is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason Yahweh will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Yes your lawless deeds you hang on to is the savior the whole world follows. He has come in his own name and him you recieved.

John 5:43-44
3 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
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Who has come in his own name whom you call upon who is lawless and fought over Moses Bones?

These words are written for all eternity to decide who they will worship.

John 5:44-6:1
How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only Yahweh? 45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you — Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"


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Again your lawless one is the savior of the world.

Yahweh will give mercy to whoever he decides to. Not who you decide with your rederick when you have not a clue why or what the Holy Spirit is. Yahweh is Just and Righteuos and True. He will not destroy his creation who never heard of his Evangel. They will and those who because of this LAWLESS Evangel you proclaim destroy them but will open up the book and judge them by thier WORKS.

Rev 20:11-21:1

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before Yahweh, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Learn what the scriptures say not what some minister who has become an angel of light has told u. Through your traditions you hold men down that they can not see the glorious works of Yahweh. You love deception and will not change for the workings of the flesh is greater to you than the knowledge of Yahshua our Messiah.......Miles


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If we could be justified without Jesus Christ then what was the point of His death. And are you trying to say that Jesus was the false Christ? I didn't totally understand your post. But if God judged us only according to our works without the redemptive blood of Christ we would all be destroyed. Isaiah 64:6
For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment;And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. God

And God predestines us for salvation;

Romans 9
11 for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,
12 it was said to her, "THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER."
13 Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."
14 --What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be!--- (you say it is unjust that God would choose some and not others)
15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
16 so then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.

()'s were my add in. Just for explination

and Yahshua the Messiah, and Jesus Christ are the same person. Yahshua is simply how it is pronounced in Hebrew which is actually Joshua in Greek and has come to be Jesus in english. It's the same Man, God. I worship Yahshua as Christ because Yahshua is Jesus. You simply just havn't translated the names in english is all. And I haven't simply believed what some preacher told me. I read scriptures for myself and came to this conclusion. And the whole world doesn't follow our saviour Jesus Christ or Yahshua, they follow a false God of their own making and twist Christ's words to mean something they do not mean. Most of the world and self proclaiming christians do not follow Christ, they just say they do.

Miles...you are so insistant that Jesus is called "Yahshua", why do you use Messiah instead of the correct Hebrew word? It seems to me that if Jesus...er excuse me Yahshua is so obcessed with hearing his given birth name, he would also want you to use his correct title.

What you seemingly do not understand is Yahweh will not condemn a creation of his just because he refused the Evangel the world teaches. Or if he has never heard it. They will be judged by thier works. The filthy rags is Yahshua in the Heavens before waving the wave sheaf to start the count for the Holy Spirit to be given.

You say all you need to do is believe and confess. What if they are doing this to satan and not Yahshua? The scriptures say if it were possible even the who world would be decieved by the ministers of satan who he has turned into angels of light. Preaching a false Evangel. The apostles warn of continuing in the faith.

They told new converts to refrain from 4 thing as Moses is taught in every city.

They were to learn the LAW the very thing you claim is gone or done away. Yet Yahshua said it would be here as long as thier was heaven and earth.

So what is taught. No more laws.. Who teaches this?..The Lawless one.

How can he be called Lawless if this evangel is taught the Law has been done away?

This Lawless one would be loved by all the world.

This Lawless one will come in his Own Name and him you will accept.

Who possibly can this be?

I will BOLDLY tell you this only fits one person who in his name has caused millions of people to be slaughtered as they praised him with people be burn't at the stake screaming.

That person the Diety of this world is who you call J-sus Chr-st.

He has decieved you so much that you pay no attention to the meaning of his name. As we know all hebrew names has meaning.

But this one is not even a Hebrew name. The Je as in who you call the father has je in it also.

The sus you worship means PIG.

The Hovah you worship means deciever, rebel, mischief. This is who the Pig claims is his father.

It only refers to in all of that as Satan himself.

AQsk the spirit to teach you and show you with a pure heart if these things are true. The Spirit of Life promices to teach man . Not man teaching man.

Learn his ways not the others as Deut. Prophecies.

Deut 32:28-33

28 "For they are a nation void of counsel,
Nor is there any understanding in them.
29 Oh, that they were wise, that they understood this,
That they would consider their latter end!
30 How could one chase a thousand,
And two put ten thousand to flight,
Unless their Rock had sold them,
And Yahweh had surrendered them?
31 For their rock is not like our Rock,
Even our enemies themselves being judges.
32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom
And of the fields of Gomorrah;
Their grapes are grapes of gall,
Their clusters are bitter.
33 Their wine is the poison of serpents,
And the cruel venom of cobras.
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Learn thier are 2 Rocks at the end and the 2 Witnesses are thier also and learn Yahweh's name and never let the name of JC be on your lips again if you want the Spirit to show you anything...Miles

You don't know anything "for a fact."

You only believe things.

By the way, I don't believe your doctrines or scriptures.

Only fools are positive IMHO.

JB

spidercmb we may disagree on somethings but you are a wise man in the Lord and I have enjoyed chatting with you about our God!

I cannot debate this anymore, we are debating names. We recite the same scriptures, you just recite them with Hebrew names. I worship the Lord yes His hebrew name is Yahweh, do you know why. YHWH was His name first because it was a name that couldn't be said, the Hebrew deemed (and rightly so) God was too holy for man to say His name. I know that Yahshua was the Son of God, God in carnate. I believe it with all my heart it is the same God I worship. It is the same God that hung on the cross for my transgressions. Yes if people call on Yahshua for salvation and believe He died for them on the cross they will be save from their sins. Of course God is going to judge us according to our works. But our works are SINFULL and God cannot be a part of sin which is why He had to send Yahshua to be the propitiation for our sins. And He died for this reason, to destroy the works of the devil. Yahshua (AKA Jesus) was without sin.

Ex 20:7

7 "You shall not take the name of Yahweh your Elohim in vain, for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
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Vain


OT:7721

OT:7723 shav' or shav —

emptiness, vanity, falsehood

a) emptiness, nothingness, vanity
b) emptiness of speech, lying
c) worthlessness (used of conduct)
(from The Online Bible Thayer's Greek Lexicon and Brown Driver & Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, Copyright © 1993, Woodside Bible Fellowship, Ontario, Canada. Licensed from the Institute for Creation Research.)


Now the Jews rightfully so took the name out.

If you will study this 3rd commandment and just read up above what that really means. You will see exactly what Yahweh said not to do has been done.

Do you see anywhere where it says you can call me whatever you want i will still hear you.

You tell me I am harping on the name. You all hate the name if you did not then His name and His Sons name would rightfully be put in almost every house of worship in this world.

You believe you have eternal life. Then does this commandment say you do? Blessings...Miles

SHEM


shav'


Let's try to fit the definitions to the words, shall we?

Name...we can eliminate c and d immediately.

Vain...we can eliminate c immediately.

Does name mean "name" or "reputation, fame, glory" or both? I think it's both.

Does "vain" mean "emptiness, nothingness, vanity" or "emptiness of speech, lying"? I think it's both.

So using all of those defintions, I can't find any reason why someone couldn't use a translated name for God. As long as you aren't lying by swearing on the name of God and you aren't swearing and you aren't doing something in God's name, but doing it poorly...I don't see how it could be a violation of the 3rd commandment.

Could you explain why using a translated version of God's name would be offensive? Can you explain to me what happens to people with speech defects or strong accents who can't say God's name as a Hebrew does?

Isn't saying that God only forgives those who use the magic word insulting God's character? To me, denying God's just and merciful nature is a clear violation of the 3rd commandment. Would you care to explain why you think it is not?

Spider

Nowhere does it say this is my title. It speaks of he is called titles of attributes attached to his name. Yah is the family name. Who's name do u want here or do u think Yahweh will give you. Do you really think JC will be any part of it? The reason i speak against that name is the scriptures tell us you are not to have the name of another diety on your lips.. JC has become a diety and he is not of Yahweh.

Rev 14:1

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads.
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Lev 24:15-16
5 "Then you shall speak to the children of Israel, saying: 'Whoever curses his Elohim shall bear his sin. 16 And whoever blasphemes the name of Yahweh shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall certainly stone him, the stranger as well as him who is born in the land. When he blasphemes the name of Yahweh, he shall be put to death.
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You are completely wrong and you have to know that. Jesus is a translation of Yahshua. The Greeks didn't have the same sounds as the Hebrews, so they got as close as they could. In latin, the word had to be changed again, but they used the Greek as their starting point instead of Hebrew. Finally, it ends up in English translated one more time. The sound has changed, but the character, the essence that makes Jesus God, has not. Legalism will not save you, only Jesus can do that. Call him Yahshua (THE WRONG NAME!!!! IT'S YAHSHUA BEN YOSEF) if you want, but you really need to get rid of this spirit of legalism that has taken ahold of your soul.

Spider

You want to take what is true and twist it. Yahweh always looks at the best you can do. Anytime you do something on purpose is rebelling when that you should not be doing. Name do not translate.. I do not know where you get that at. The given name has the same sound in any language. If your name is John Doe here in France a french person would still know you as John Doe. With JC that is easy to prove that other countries say JC the same as you do. You want to fight against Yahweh's word. This is prophecied would happen and it has in great proportion. Why do you think the whole world will hate the 2 witnesses of Yahweh. For 1 they will fight against the name and satans false prophet and him himself will tell you what people have learned all thier lives they are evil. Use some common sence. All you can find that says are taken when the 2 witnesses is is 144000.. That is very few people really following the Word..Blessings...Miles

Judas played his part in the plan of god to execute his son. So I would say god would be the evil part of the deal, right? For god's plan is the reason it happened that way.

not really. Judas was greedy for 1 and i do not believe he thought he was doing so much wrong. To me he apperently had been convinsed by the High Council that Yahshua was not the promiced messiah. So if he truely believed this and did not realize the scriptures talking about 30 pieces of silver for Yahshua. Then when he realized he had just committed the son of Yahweh to death he was overwhelmed and hung himself. This is pretty drastic for him to do if he was not decieved by the High Council which satan had a hand in.I can see him being an example to us what greed can do. We see it all the time at work. People who will do anything to climb up the corp latter not caring about who they have hurt. This is Judas. Not caring and then realizing what he did was more than he could take. Blessings of Shalom...Miles

Exactly

1) Who's plan was it?
2) Who executed the plan
3) What do we learn?

1) god's
2) Judas
3) That you shouldnt listen to god as he will get you hated by millions of christians!

So, ultimately, Judas is not a bad guy, unless you think that betrayal is a good thing.

There's a lot of that around here, though, so maybe certain members of the god-squad who are not living by the creeds they dictate, should not be telling others how they should live!

Judas betrayed Yahshua. But the evidence if you read the account the High Council of Priests got him to do it. He was greedy. And the death of the son of man was the consiquinces. We should realize what greed is and what or who we may hurt by it..Shalom..Miles