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Topic: Was Judas Iscariot really a bad guy?
Topsykretts Joined Wed 05/14/08 Posts: 4807	Thu 05/22/08 04:04 AM
(please don't shoot me).

wzrunner Joined Wed 12/19/07 Posts: 650	Thu 05/22/08 04:19 AM Edited by wzrunner on Thu 05/22/08 04:20 AM
He was misunderstood

BrandSpankinNew Joined Sat 12/22/07 Posts: 216	Thu 05/22/08 04:23 AM
Like Pilate, he simply had a role to play in the grand scheme.

Topsykretts Joined Wed 05/14/08 Posts: 4807	Thu 05/22/08 04:23 AM
I guess, if were not for Judas, the prophesies would not have been fulfilled. (Just thinking out loud)

BrandSpankinNew Joined Sat 12/22/07 Posts: 216	Thu 05/22/08 04:29 AM
'zakly . . .

Topsykretts Joined Wed 05/14/08 Posts: 4807	Thu 05/22/08 04:32 AM
This is just a thought, perhaps, just a thought- the gospel of Matthew (? how come I'm very poor when it comes to names) should be scrapped out, since it had painted a rather poor image of Judas Iscariot. (note: just a thought)

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 05/22/08 06:37 AM
The Prophecy was that Jesus would be murdered. Jesus was murdered. Judas played a role, but that doesn't exempt him from his own guilty. He sold a friends life for 40 peices of silver. A prophecy is foreknowledge of the future. Just because God knew before hand that Judas would betray Jesus, that in no way means that Judas was innocent. In fact, he killed himself out of guilt over what he had done. Even Judas felt that he had done wrong, to the point that he killed himself.

cloudedsunshine Joined Thu 05/08/08 Posts: 1375	Thu 05/22/08 06:41 AM
The Prophecy was that Jesus would be murdered. Jesus was murdered. Judas played a role, but that doesn't exempt him from his own guilty. He sold a friends life for 40 peices of silver. A prophecy is foreknowledge of the future. Just because God knew before hand that Judas would betray Jesus, that in no way means that Judas was innocent. In fact, he killed himself out of guilt over what he had done. Even Judas felt that he had done wrong, to the point that he killed himself. So Judas wasn't just living up to God's plan for him?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 05/22/08 06:45 AM
The Prophecy was that Jesus would be murdered. Jesus was murdered. Judas played a role, but that doesn't exempt him from his own guilty. He sold a friends life for 40 peices of silver. A prophecy is foreknowledge of the future. Just because God knew before hand that Judas would betray Jesus, that in no way means that Judas was innocent. In fact, he killed himself out of guilt over what he had done. Even Judas felt that he had done wrong, to the point that he killed himself. So Judas wasn't just living up to God's plan for him? No, that wasn't God's plan for Judas, that was Judas' plan for Judas. Judas was picked, because God knew what the outcome would be, but the outcome was purely of Judas' own making.

cloudedsunshine Joined Thu 05/08/08 Posts: 1375	Thu 05/22/08 06:56 AM
The Prophecy was that Jesus would be murdered. Jesus was murdered. Judas played a role, but that doesn't exempt him from his own guilty. He sold a friends life for 40 peices of silver. A prophecy is foreknowledge of the future. Just because God knew before hand that Judas would betray Jesus, that in no way means that Judas was innocent. In fact, he killed himself out of guilt over what he had done. Even Judas felt that he had done wrong, to the point that he killed himself. So Judas wasn't just living up to God's plan for him? No, that wasn't God's plan for Judas, that was Judas' plan for Judas. Judas was picked, because God knew what the outcome would be, but the outcome was purely of Judas' own making. Okay, but haven't you ever made a bad mistake you almost couldn't live with

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 05/22/08 07:04 AM
Was Judas Iscariot really a bad guy? since jesus was on a mission to be killed he needed to manipulate judas into a position that would help fullfilled jesus's martyrdom prophecy ...either way you look at it judas was just one of the pawns in a twisted game

Lance1205 Joined Mon 05/05/08 Posts: 212	Thu 05/22/08 07:31 AM
A-M-E-N!!!!!!!

Lance1205 Joined Mon 05/05/08 Posts: 212	Thu 05/22/08 07:31 AM
Judus was a VERY wicked man.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 05/22/08 07:33 AM
Okay, but haven't you ever made a bad mistake you almost couldn't live with I don't see how that's relavant.

Topsykretts Joined Wed 05/14/08 Posts: 4807	Thu 05/22/08 07:36 AM
Judus was a VERY wicked man. How so? lol

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 05/22/08 07:41 AM
Judus was a VERY wicked man. How so? lol He sold his friends life out for money. If one of your friends handed you over to someone who wanted to kill you for a little bit of cash, wouldn't you consider that person "wicked"?

Topsykretts Joined Wed 05/14/08 Posts: 4807	Thu 05/22/08 07:44 AM
Judus was a VERY wicked man. How so? lol He sold his friends life out for money. If one of your friends handed you over to someone who wanted to kill you for a little bit of cash, wouldn't you consider that person "wicked"? Yes, I've heard of it, but could there be any other accounts that would say otherwise?

Lance1205 Joined Mon 05/05/08 Posts: 212	Thu 05/22/08 07:44 AM
Oh and that A-M-E-N was to spidercmb NOT the person above me...

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Thu 05/22/08 07:45 AM
The Prophecy was that Jesus would be murdered. Jesus was murdered. Judas played a role, but that doesn't exempt him from his own guilty. He sold a friends life for 40 peices of silver. A prophecy is foreknowledge of the future. Just because God knew before hand that Judas would betray Jesus, that in no way means that Judas was innocent. In fact, he killed himself out of guilt over what he had done. Even Judas felt that he had done wrong, to the point that he killed himself. So Judas wasn't just living up to God's plan for him? No, that wasn't God's plan for Judas, that was Judas' plan for Judas. Judas was picked, because God knew what the outcome would be, but the outcome was purely of Judas' own making. Judas was "picked"? because God "knew? what the outcome would be??? But - the "outcome" was PURELY ?? judas'"own" making?? If God "knew" (beforehand) what the "outcome" was going to be,then how can you state that it was PURELY Judas'own making?

Lance1205 Joined Mon 05/05/08 Posts: 212	Thu 05/22/08 07:45 AM
Judus was a VERY wicked man. How so? lol He sold his friends life out for money. If one of your friends handed you over to someone who wanted to kill you for a little bit of cash, wouldn't you consider that person "wicked"? Yes, I've heard of it, but could there be any other accounts that would say otherwise? YOU'RE TAKING AWAY THE FACT THAT GOD IS SOVERIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!