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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question)
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Neither do babies...and I don't suppose the innocent are cast into everlasting damnation.   good point very intelligent answer |
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking |
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handicapped go to heaven? they could not possibly know who jesus is. so? WOW!! I think that is the most judgemental statement I've ever heard how is that judgemental? i was just asking a question, and stating that SOME mentally handicapped people could not reason God or Jesus you said... and i quote... they could not possibly know who jesus is.... I have worked with the mentally handicapped for 13 years... and MANY of them would put most of us to shame on thier understanding of jesus..who he is.. how and why he died...and what he represents... maybe you need to go visit a few and see for yourself!! OK, like i said earlier i should have put SOME, you have to admit SOME will not be able to comprehend what religion or GOd is. Nobody on this planet comprehends what God is. ok then what do you have to do to get into heaven? If you read the bible... you will understand you can do nothing to get into heaven but believe and ask forgiveness. However, as for the children and childlike: "Bring them unto me" (kind of a famous quote of the bible regarding children). You think that a God of love would not extend grace to those who don't comprehend? If so go look at the entire thing again... because you got the wrong message. if an islander, in the middle of nowhere, who has never heard of jesus dies, where does he go? Go read "The Great Divorce" by C.S. Lewis. I don't think a God of love would damn someone ignorant of God just because nobody has reached out to said person. If you want to speculate about the way to heaven, go ahead... but if you want facts, you will have to die. |
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handicapped go to heaven? they could not possibly know who jesus is. so? WOW!! I think that is the most judgemental statement I've ever heard how is that judgemental? i was just asking a question, and stating that SOME mentally handicapped people could not reason God or Jesus you said... and i quote... they could not possibly know who jesus is.... I have worked with the mentally handicapped for 13 years... and MANY of them would put most of us to shame on thier understanding of jesus..who he is.. how and why he died...and what he represents... maybe you need to go visit a few and see for yourself!! OK, like i said earlier i should have put SOME, you have to admit SOME will not be able to comprehend what religion or GOd is. Nobody on this planet comprehends what God is. ok then what do you have to do to get into heaven? If you read the bible... you will understand you can do nothing to get into heaven but believe and ask forgiveness. However, as for the children and childlike: "Bring them unto me" (kind of a famous quote of the bible regarding children). You think that a God of love would not extend grace to those who don't comprehend? If so go look at the entire thing again... because you got the wrong message. if an islander, in the middle of nowhere, who has never heard of jesus dies, where does he go? Go read "The Great Divorce" by C.S. Lewis. I don't think a God of love would damn someone ignorant of God just because nobody has reached out to said person. If you want to speculate about the way to heaven, go ahead... but if you want facts, you will have to die. wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking |
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your questions are what have lead me to follow pagnism; i accept all religions and judge not any however. your questions have answers only when you believe. i could not find anyone who could explain to me any of this to the point where i "felt" it, but at the same time i felt very spiritual. i finally found my place, i hope you do to.
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking When you say "islander in the middle of nowhere" I am thinking an only man on an island...this other version is a different story and will result in a different action of where he will end up. Sorry. |
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Edited by
Robm248
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Sun 05/18/08 06:38 PM
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking Um... you mean repent. And no, for another C.S. Lewis piece to be paraphrased (it's not right in front of me, but I have the book): 'Anything of good you have done in my name, and anything of evil you have done in his.' He may, however, get a chance to repent. |
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handicapped go to heaven? they could not possibly know who jesus is. so? WOW!! I think that is the most judgemental statement I've ever heard how is that judgemental? i was just asking a question, and stating that SOME mentally handicapped people could not reason God or Jesus you said... and i quote... they could not possibly know who jesus is.... I have worked with the mentally handicapped for 13 years... and MANY of them would put most of us to shame on thier understanding of jesus..who he is.. how and why he died...and what he represents... maybe you need to go visit a few and see for yourself!! OK, like i said earlier i should have put SOME, you have to admit SOME will not be able to comprehend what religion or GOd is. Nobody on this planet comprehends what God is. ok then what do you have to do to get into heaven? If you read the bible... you will understand you can do nothing to get into heaven but believe and ask forgiveness. However, as for the children and childlike: "Bring them unto me" (kind of a famous quote of the bible regarding children). You think that a God of love would not extend grace to those who don't comprehend? If so go look at the entire thing again... because you got the wrong message. if an islander, in the middle of nowhere, who has never heard of jesus dies, where does he go? Go read "The Great Divorce" by C.S. Lewis. I don't think a God of love would damn someone ignorant of God just because nobody has reached out to said person. If you want to speculate about the way to heaven, go ahead... but if you want facts, you will have to die. and i will read this because i obviously like to see what the religious community is up to. |
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking Um... you mean repent. And no, for another C.S. Lewis piece to be paraphrased (it's not right in front of me, but I have the book): 'Anything of good you have done in my name, and anything of evil you have done in his.' yeah, but the islander has never heard of jesus, do you see the problem here? |
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 This is an episode of SouthPark Its entitled "Do the Handicapped Go to Hell?" I got it recorded
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking Um... you mean repent. And no, for another C.S. Lewis piece to be paraphrased (it's not right in front of me, but I have the book): 'Anything of good you have done in my name, and anything of evil you have done in his.' yeah, but the islander has never heard of jesus, do you see the problem here? Yet, if he has acted in a good manner, and regretted his evil acts, has he not yearned for forgiveness? Thus, since God is almighty, the man has asked for forgiveness if he has regretted his evil acts (for an almighty god knows what is in a man or woman's heart). |
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking Um... you mean repent. And no, for another C.S. Lewis piece to be paraphrased (it's not right in front of me, but I have the book): 'Anything of good you have done in my name, and anything of evil you have done in his.' yeah, but the islander has never heard of jesus, do you see the problem here? when does he repent? after he dies and finds out he is in this strange place and is introduced to jesus....then they have to teach him about how it is wrong to kill...and then they have to teach him how to repent, and then ask him if he wants to repent? that would be the funniest site in the world |
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking Um... you mean repent. And no, for another C.S. Lewis piece to be paraphrased (it's not right in front of me, but I have the book): 'Anything of good you have done in my name, and anything of evil you have done in his.' yeah, but the islander has never heard of jesus, do you see the problem here? Yet, if he has acted in a good manner, and regretted his evil acts, has he not yearned for forgiveness? Thus, since God is almighty, the man has asked for forgiveness if he has regretted his evil acts (for an almighty god knows what is in a man or woman's heart). so a person only has to feel bad about what they have done to get into heaven? |
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking Um... you mean repent. And no, for another C.S. Lewis piece to be paraphrased (it's not right in front of me, but I have the book): 'Anything of good you have done in my name, and anything of evil you have done in his.' yeah, but the islander has never heard of jesus, do you see the problem here? And only God will judge in this situation. But, the more the evil the islander does, even if he has never heard of Jesus, can not possibly go to heaven...not with the evil in his heart. |
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking Um... you mean repent. And no, for another C.S. Lewis piece to be paraphrased (it's not right in front of me, but I have the book): 'Anything of good you have done in my name, and anything of evil you have done in his.' yeah, but the islander has never heard of jesus, do you see the problem here? when does he repent? after he dies and finds out he is in this strange place and is introduced to jesus....then they have to teach him about how it is wrong to kill...and then they have to teach him how to repent, and then ask him if he wants to repent? that would be the funniest site in the world Read my post above... repentance isn't a ritual. It's an act and feeling. |
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking Um... you mean repent. And no, for another C.S. Lewis piece to be paraphrased (it's not right in front of me, but I have the book): 'Anything of good you have done in my name, and anything of evil you have done in his.' yeah, but the islander has never heard of jesus, do you see the problem here? And only God will judge in this situation. But, the more the evil the islander does, even if he has never heard of Jesus, can not possibly go to heaven...not with the evil in his heart. but according to Robm248, if he feels bad about what he did, then he doesn't have to repent, he just gets a free ticket to heaven |
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking Um... you mean repent. And no, for another C.S. Lewis piece to be paraphrased (it's not right in front of me, but I have the book): 'Anything of good you have done in my name, and anything of evil you have done in his.' yeah, but the islander has never heard of jesus, do you see the problem here? when does he repent? after he dies and finds out he is in this strange place and is introduced to jesus....then they have to teach him about how it is wrong to kill...and then they have to teach him how to repent, and then ask him if he wants to repent? that would be the funniest site in the world Read my post above... repentance isn't a ritual. It's an act and feeling. so you are saying, without ever hearing about jesus, God will just judge us on what kind of person we are. (which he doesn't because he has never heard of jesus) |
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking Um... you mean repent. And no, for another C.S. Lewis piece to be paraphrased (it's not right in front of me, but I have the book): 'Anything of good you have done in my name, and anything of evil you have done in his.' yeah, but the islander has never heard of jesus, do you see the problem here? Yet, if he has acted in a good manner, and regretted his evil acts, has he not yearned for forgiveness? Thus, since God is almighty, the man has asked for forgiveness if he has regretted his evil acts (for an almighty god knows what is in a man or woman's heart). so a person only has to feel bad about what they have done to get into heaven? Pretty much. Nothing is greater than asking forgiveness, even if only by regretting what you have done wrong. It regret you acknowledge your mistakes, and you yearn for a resolution. That, in combination with an effort to improve on what you have done and been, is repentance. |
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If he has never heard of Jesus and had no one in his entire life try to witness to him...then he is going to heaven...weird but true. Every person in their lives will be witnessed and it is their choice to take it in or walk away. (The islander Question) wait, he has a free ticket to heaven, even if he murdered and did not forgive, adultered and did not forgive, stole and did not forgive??? you have to be joking Um... you mean repent. And no, for another C.S. Lewis piece to be paraphrased (it's not right in front of me, but I have the book): 'Anything of good you have done in my name, and anything of evil you have done in his.' yeah, but the islander has never heard of jesus, do you see the problem here? And only God will judge in this situation. But, the more the evil the islander does, even if he has never heard of Jesus, can not possibly go to heaven...not with the evil in his heart. but according to Robm248, if he feels bad about what he did, then he doesn't have to repent, he just gets a free ticket to heaven This is the thing...if the islander feels bad about what he has done, then yes I can see that he has a change of heart and want to do better. But, if he feels bad but later does that same thing again...then he really didn't have a change of heart. But, like I said, only God can make that decision. It is not up to man to decide because we can only confuse ourselves and ponder what is fair and what is not fair.
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