If the war is determined to be illegal then the starters of said war should be held accountable. I do not believe soldiers should be held accounable on that score.

As for the military action at home. That is very possible. If we got a tyrant in office and he chose this avenue to continue his tryrancy then we would have to see how many soldiers would not think and just do.

Soldiers are not robots, they are humans, and as much as the military would like to take it out of them, they will have human reactions. That is one of the reasons there is so much mental health issues with soldiers after war. Humaniiy is going to be an issue regardless.

I believe that if a soldier disagrees with the actions, especially the legality of the actions, then they should be considered. It is not a matter of being anti war or a baby, it is a matter of seeing the issue from the eyes of another human on this planet.

thank you you just made the case for the soldier refusing to serve

read the patriot act the last scenario is completely legal according to the president and congress

maybe more soldiers should question their orders

thank you for proving my point

be well

The justice system is rigged anyways

LOL seriously guy, I had to do one more for the road for this response. Is it the military going in and arresting these citizens or is it the FBI/CIA/Homeland Security? Under that act it was determined by Congress that it was not unconstitutional so therefore your point invalidated again. Keep running in circles around the same moot points, eventually you may have something but I highly doubt it and you will probably even take this out of context too but hey, nothing I can do about that.

Have a great day and Semper Fidelis!

I wish I could be as trusting as you

The government lies at every turn

No matter how loyal you are to this country

They do not care

again you do not know of what you speak

the only way to change the constitution is by following the process outlined in the constitution

maybe you as an individual should just follow orders

be well

and may much good come to you and yours

Sorry. but, before they had any kind of a case on Jose Padilla, he was held for years in a Navy brig, nevermind the evidence that he was tortured until he went insane.

Even the Founding Fathers didn't trust Government, after they themselves became it. Why should we now bow to the Centralized Government?

Congress decided? not quite, this thing was ramrodded down Congress's throat, even as some of them rose to oppose it, all kinds of things were changed at the very last second which completely changed the scope of who we are as a Nation and we've been marching down the road of Totalitarianism ever since, those few tried to stop it, but too late, the Globalists had their way.

There comes a point, especially with a Soldier or a cop, where simple human decency, morality and love for the traditions of our Nation have to trump " Following Orders" or all our Soldiers are going to find themselves manipulated right into Nuremburg. We the people put a special level of trust in the hands of the Law enforcers and the Soldiers, If they've been totally rewired/brainwashed into orders trump the Constitution, then this country is over and civil war is inevitable.

Oh, and as far as the disarming of the American citizen by the military, how it's been claimed that is unlikely?
How about you go ask the people who had their weapons confiscated after Katrina at weapon point and occasionally by force,how they feel about that statement.

There comes a point, especially with a Soldier or a cop, where simple human decency, morality and love for the traditions of our Nation have to trump " Following Orders" or all our Soldiers are going to find themselves manipulated right into Nuremburg. We the people put a special level of trust in the hands of the Law enforcers and the Soldiers, If they've been totally rewired/brainwashed into orders trump the Constitution, then this country is over and civil war is inevitable.



Right on

yeah those are the people that really need to keep possession of firearms....

Blessed are the peacemakers

who are you or anyone else to say you are the one that said it is very unlikely to happen

i wonder what color is the bottom side of the sand

So it doesn't matter to you that they were using them in crimes, it would be different if it was another part of the country and only the police were involved? Criminals using firearms should be left unchecked if the police force don't have the man power to keep up with it? Never mind the fact that all those people that were deployed down there was to help them out and all they could do in return is fire on them. Seriously man, think about what you post before you type it. That matter was not a constitutional problem which you seem to be stuck on, it is a criminal matter and the way that the weapons were used. If they are killing people then you are mistaken if you think they should keep their weapons.

what does the sand look like from underneath i wonder

It is common knowledge that it has happened before adj.

The Civil War????

Federal (Union) soldiers were ordered into the South to disarm and fight against Americans.

Most likely it could happen again!

Evidently theres some selective recoginition going on here, sure there was some criminal stuff, but it might not have been that bad if some of the Cops hadn't walked off the job or were too busy looting themselves.

Lets look at the other side of the gun confiscations, where they went into the home of a 80 some odd year old woman, demanded she leave her house, regardless of the fact she had food and water and then beat the crap out of her when they found out she had a handgun.

How about how they went door to door in wealthy and middleclass areas, areas that were no longer or weren't under water in first place and took their firearms at gunpoint?
How about the guys who were just trying to get home in their boat, who were boarded, guns confiscated, even though the guys who had them were fully licensed to carry the hunting rifles?

How about the National Guardsmen, who were freaked out, because they had orders that said they might have to use deadly force on Americans?

Let's not neglect the fact that the Presidents Mercenary Force, Blackwater, was allowed to rain down hell in the area while all this was going on.
Pick and choose all you want, but the military/law enforcement has already shown that they will confiscate Americans guns in direct violation of the second amendment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhvV2uz10eA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7JlDwlLotg

I suggest you watch this and learn what was going on, on the ground,without political leanings, just fact.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=refuge+of+last+resort&sitesearch=&dur=3

Now, I understand that as a member of the military, soldiers have a job to do, but the oath to the Constitution has become a joke, our military is enforcing orders that fly in the face of that Great Document. Try reading it, because we are in a war in Iraq, but without a formal declaration of war, we have gun grabbing going on, we have a system set up now, where with nothing more than a enemy combatant declaration will see a citizen lose all of his rights and can be held indefinitely facing only a Military tribunal. It doesn't even end there.
Do you like fascism?
Do you enjoy knowing that the Republic is almost dead?

Why do you keep bringing this irrelevant issue into this conversation anyway?

American soldiers are taught that if given an order such as, Kill all the villagers, every man, woman, and child by a superior officer, that they do not have to obey that law. They are also taught that by doing so they are equally at guilt and obeying that direct order on the basis of it being a direct order can not be used in their defense.

IE-twisting my logic- The Nazi soldiers put on trial for war crimes at the concentration camps during the holocaust.

You are worrying me. Do you agree with sam53? Do you think American soldiers are murderers and baby killers?

well only if the state did not secede were they still americans

and no i do not think that american solders as a whole are bad but there are bad that make it hard on all

Are you asking me?

No sir adj!

Brother against brother?
Father against son?

That trumps American against American, dont you think??