I bet you watch the O'Reily Factor too....

That is your opinion and you are entitled. Being against the politics of war and not being against the soldiers is easy. I do not blame soldiers, they do not start wars, they do not continue wars, they are not responsible for the politics of war at all. Soldiers do what they are told to do, where they are told to do it. Their job is needed. They are needed and honored properly. If the war they are sent to is unjust, they have no choice. They must do what they are ordered to do.

Hearing that people do not agree with the war or the justification for it should not bother them at all. It is not their job to justify the politics, nor make it right. It is their job to do what they are told. If they have to make it right in their heads to do the job, cool, but they have to understand that just like everything else in this world, there will always be a differing opinion. And this still does not make their job less honorable.

the VA in his town closed up shop and left town.....where exactly do you think he should "apeal"?

..... should not bother them at all? we as vets do take it very personally. thats just the way it is. its not an opinion its a fact. a very uncomfortable fact if your one of the liberal/ commies.

I call myself neither a liberal or a commie so that does not apply. If you mean that I believe this war or military action taken by Bush against Iraq to be an illegal action, yes, I am one of those. I still hold no ill will to any soldier but the war was illegal to begin with and is not getting any better.

Rambill my friend.
All vets dont think like you, nor do they all think like me!

You are being awfully presumptuous arent you...

not really. i know that these lib/commies get the vets so mad that they could spit nails. I understand that thier wrong opinion of the iraq war or any other war is due to a LOT of disinformation targeted at thier emotions. I say grow a pair and finish the job for once since ww2.
The only thing that would destroy our credibility more than this war on the world stage would be if we folded up and went home after getting ourselves into this mess.

The Iraqi Army is 185,000 strong last I checked.

We are picking and chosing sides in a civil war, and while we are spending billions the Iraqi's are banking it.

When would you consider we've been there long enough?
Are you saying that if another 10,000 Americans die that there will be peace in Iraq for all time? Or should we just Plant our flag on their capital forever?

I think you watch and listen to O'Reily way too much...

Yes, I have heard about the new buildings being built in Iraq.

I don't see how you equate being against the war with being against the vets. I am 110% for the vets and I'm against the war.

That stinks. I'm sorry to hear that. How long of a drive is it to the closest VA?

Ok, for starters i am under the VA health insurance program. I have honestly never met more caring people in my life. I will admit they are a bit understaffed. And it angers me to no end that anyone would want to cut VA funding.

But i do have to get this out. I know people who worked in Iraq as carpenters, or cooks, etc. and they claim they have PTSD. They report the classic symptoms like anxiety in crowds and things of that sort. I would like nothing more than to slap these people. There are probably about 50,000 people that can rightly justify some sort of PTSD from this war. When i was over there people would freak because a mortor round dropped on the other side of post. The truth is MOST and i emphasize MOST people who are over there never see combat. And those that do hardly see any. Your infantry guys, medics, etc., you know, the guys on the ground. They are the ones that actually kick open doors. They are the ones under fire. They are the ones being sleep deprived. A very big number of these troubled vets that are complaining are honestly trying to get some sympathy and collect some extra cash on the tax payers dollar.

That being said, i agree, we need to look out for our own. The VA needs more personel and funding. They do try like hell though. Almost brings a tear to my eye just how much the VA staff cares about the vets. I just wanted to raise everyone's awareness though.


-Spc Ouellette
Former U.S. Army Airborne Infantry
Veteran of over 150 combat ops in OIF

When I worked at the VA, I saw most of the people working hard and caring about the vets. They do need more personnel and funding. It is frustrating.

Thank you sir!
I have tried to point this out on numerous occasions!

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What do you think about this Driven,




A civilian therapist, nor a military therapist who has not experienced the same horrors as these Boys stands a snowball chance in hell to help them!

How can they? There is no school, no university graduate that can have even the slightest idea of what they go through! Would you ask for help fixing your car from a barber? No!

What these men need is a cooling off period. A period in which they live with their peers, Grunts with Grunts, Marines with Marines, a soldier of a different MOS or branch of service will not do. They need to be grouped with soldiers from the same areas, in an environment where they can slowly adjust to the calm and peace of society.

A time when they can talk amongst themselves about the problems they are commonly experiencing as they make regular contact with their families and a society which has no idea what problems readjusting they are experiencing. A group where they and their families can make friendships, exchange addresses, and phone numbers, so they can talk and slowly readjust back to civilian life!

This time needs to be supervised and mandatory. Letting them slowly, at their own pace learn to meld back into a society that has no idea of the hell they have lived through. They will never forget, but they can learn to readjust, to deal.

No Harvard Graduate with a degree in psychiatry, or psychology can help them! Only time and brother-ship can!! I do not even want to write this as few of you can understand, but at least you do seem to care.

I just hope that by bringing more attention to it, that we can get something done for these folks.

That sounds great, Fanta. But I would like to add that I believe that the Harvard Grad should still be in their lives in addition to your idea. They may not have experienced war but they still are beneficial.

If the vets do not get the help that they need, there is a dominino affect. It affects their families, their children, their jobs and society. Thru their children, the negative affects may maintain thru several generations.

Double post.

Supervision is important too I think winx, but it should be in an observation and consulting position only!

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They are always at the front with the rest of the Army following...