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If you take the 6570 and fiqure the percentage of say 200,000 (165,000-Iraq, 35,000-Afghanistan) it equals 3 percent.
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Let me start o ut by stating I am all for a total revamp of the va system, with a one hundred thousand per cent change of staff and policies. The va ****ed my ex-wife over big time, cost us our marriage, and so far has caused her to only get worse with her mental health. I agree their is no such think as mental health care in the va system. HOWEVER, The statitsic that was posted in the beginning of this thread is so full of bullchit it isnt even funny. STOP AND DO THE MATH PEOPLE, and you willsee why I hate so-called statistical proof. 'War' States that 18 soldiers per day commit suicide (He may have said average, but still...) If you do the math, 18 soldiers a day is 6,570 soldiers a year dead by their own hand. That's SIX-THOUSAND, FIVE-HUNDRED AND SEVENTY SOLDIERS A YEAR. Now, add up the last ten years since I was in the service, and you have 65,700 soldiers dead by their own hands, and who knows how many others that tried. As of 2007, there was 1,380,082 soldiers on active duty between the entire military branches. That would mean that TWENTY-ONE PERCENT of the standing active military commited suicide in 2007. It's time to stop and smell the coffee folks (or whatever you prefer to use to wakes yourselves up with  ). I am sure 'war' gave an honest number form what he found, however simply logic and common sense dictates that 18 per day number is nothing but bullchit. I am not going to go indepth enough to look up over 65 thousand death records, but I garuntee you the majority of them dont exist. Not by suicide anyway.
Oh no ya don't. These aren't my numbers, these are the numbers that were released after one high ranking numbnuts from the VA admin. sent this email: "Shh!" begins one e-mail from Dr. Ira Katz, the head of the VA's Mental Health Division, advising a media spokesperson not to tell CBS News that 1,000 veterans receiving care at the VA try to kill themselves every month. "Our suicide prevention coordinators are identifying about 1,000 suicide attempts per month among the veterans we see in our medical facilities. Is this something we should (carefully) address ourselves in some sort of release before someone stumbles on it?" the e-mail concludes. The other statistics, they come from the Rand Corp., these aren't "WAR" stating anything, these numbers are what have been used to see that these people can start getting the care they need and deserve, which is what I posted them for, same as the 9/11 first responders. These are the numbers being used in the class action lawsuit against Peake and the same numbers that were presented by the Chair of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs. My guess is that they have a little more insight into this information than you or I do. Also your math isn't even correct. 18 a day times 30 days in a month equals 540. multiply that by 12 and you get 6,480. I actually used a calculator, just to be sure. 
Also, it is your math that is flawed. There are 364 days in a year. Multipy 18 against 364, and yuo will come up with the number I quoted earlier (ya see, I DID use a calcluator  ).
Now, add up the last ten years since I was in the service, and you have 65,700 soldiers dead by their own hands, and who knows how many others that tried. 
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War, I am sorry, I owe you an apology. I don't know what happened, but y post did not post completely. I had aslo stated that I was sure yuo were vasing yuor numbers off of an article or source other than yourself. For whatever reason that did not get posted with my response, and I am sorry. First, we're good, my entire point of posting is to generate dialogue between people, not worthless arguements, but a healty conversation maybe just a little heated debate, whether thats from the same side of the topic or from differing sides. The math thing, is all about the choice of equation, I went with one that was a heck of alot more complicated than yours, but with the topic we're doing the math on, 1 is too damn many. I think we can all agree that the system is not getting the job done and something needs to be done about it. 
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War, I am sorry, I owe you an apology. I don't know what happened, but y post did not post completely. I had aslo stated that I was sure yuo were vasing yuor numbers off of an article or source other than yourself. For whatever reason that did not get posted with my response, and I am sorry. First, we're good, my entire point of posting is to generate dialogue between people, not worthless arguements, but a healty conversation maybe just a little heated debate, whether thats from the same side of the topic or from differing sides. The math thing, is all about the choice of equation, I went with one that was a heck of alot more complicated than yours, but with the topic we're doing the math on, 1 is too damn many. I think we can all agree that the system is not getting the job done and something needs to be done about it.
Oh most definietly. My ex is currently "engaged" to the A$$ that she met while in the VA Medical center (she was an in-patient on the Psych ward for Psychosis, and yes, suicidal tendencies (they would only declare her passively suicidal, not activelky cause she "was not TRYING to kill herself"). She was confirmed as Bipolar and schizophrenic her first day there, and they allowed her to visit with a male patient from a different ward (drug and alchohol no less) unchaperoned in his room with the door closed. He got her hooked on Cocaine and other drugs, though the cocaine is the only one she will name, and to this day she still lives with him, even though he beats her, steals her money and pimps her out. And while all this is going on, she continually sees a psychiatrist as an outpatient once a month at the VA. Hell yes,m the system needs to be changed. My battlebuddy from basic, went straight to Iraq ('93) and came home a month later, minus a leg. The va system refused to give him his disability until he sued them a year later; their claim? there was no proof he lost the leg while on active duty. HELL REAKIN YES the system needs to be revamped! |
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Dang, That must of sucked to deal with.
I wonder how much of the problems is the Government just trying to protect a budget. |
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Dang, That must of sucked to deal with.
I wonder how much of the problems is the Government just trying to protect a budget. PROTECT the budget or POCKET the busget?!! Hmmm I wonder which is more accurate. Sorry, but the so-called va healthcare system really gets on my nerves big time. Ther eis so much balatant abuse and neglect going on that you would think their would be an inditement (sp?) a day at least! |
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This Government doesn't like to throw indictments at its own, they just demand resignations and let them run free.
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Edited by
Winx
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Wed 05/14/08 04:46 PM
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War, I am sorry, I owe you an apology. I don't know what happened, but y post did not post completely. I had aslo stated that I was sure yuo were vasing yuor numbers off of an article or source other than yourself. For whatever reason that did not get posted with my response, and I am sorry. First, we're good, my entire point of posting is to generate dialogue between people, not worthless arguements, but a healty conversation maybe just a little heated debate, whether thats from the same side of the topic or from differing sides. The math thing, is all about the choice of equation, I went with one that was a heck of alot more complicated than yours, but with the topic we're doing the math on, 1 is too damn many. I think we can all agree that the system is not getting the job done and something needs to be done about it.
Oh most definietly. My ex is currently "engaged" to the A$$ that she met while in the VA Medical center (she was an in-patient on the Psych ward for Psychosis, and yes, suicidal tendencies (they would only declare her passively suicidal, not activelky cause she "was not TRYING to kill herself"). She was confirmed as Bipolar and schizophrenic her first day there, and they allowed her to visit with a male patient from a different ward (drug and alchohol no less) unchaperoned in his room with the door closed. He got her hooked on Cocaine and other drugs, though the cocaine is the only one she will name, and to this day she still lives with him, even though he beats her, steals her money and pimps her out. And while all this is going on, she continually sees a psychiatrist as an outpatient once a month at the VA. Hell yes,m the system needs to be changed. My battlebuddy from basic, went straight to Iraq ('93) and came home a month later, minus a leg. The va system refused to give him his disability until he sued them a year later; their claim? there was no proof he lost the leg while on active duty. HELL REAKIN YES the system needs to be revamped! That VA hospital is way out of line. They need to be reported. I worked in the dual diagnosis unit at the VA in my city. Dual diagnosis is drug/alcohol rehab with mental illness. This population is on a different floor than the pysch. ward. I worked in that ward at times also. Btw, you said that the addict got your ex hooked on cocaine. It was her choice to try it. 
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War, I am sorry, I owe you an apology. I don't know what happened, but y post did not post completely. I had aslo stated that I was sure yuo were vasing yuor numbers off of an article or source other than yourself. For whatever reason that did not get posted with my response, and I am sorry. First, we're good, my entire point of posting is to generate dialogue between people, not worthless arguements, but a healty conversation maybe just a little heated debate, whether thats from the same side of the topic or from differing sides. The math thing, is all about the choice of equation, I went with one that was a heck of alot more complicated than yours, but with the topic we're doing the math on, 1 is too damn many. I think we can all agree that the system is not getting the job done and something needs to be done about it.
Oh most definietly. My ex is currently "engaged" to the A$$ that she met while in the VA Medical center (she was an in-patient on the Psych ward for Psychosis, and yes, suicidal tendencies (they would only declare her passively suicidal, not activelky cause she "was not TRYING to kill herself"). She was confirmed as Bipolar and schizophrenic her first day there, and they allowed her to visit with a male patient from a different ward (drug and alchohol no less) unchaperoned in his room with the door closed. He got her hooked on Cocaine and other drugs, though the cocaine is the only one she will name, and to this day she still lives with him, even though he beats her, steals her money and pimps her out. And while all this is going on, she continually sees a psychiatrist as an outpatient once a month at the VA. Hell yes,m the system needs to be changed. My battlebuddy from basic, went straight to Iraq ('93) and came home a month later, minus a leg. The va system refused to give him his disability until he sued them a year later; their claim? there was no proof he lost the leg while on active duty. HELL REAKIN YES the system needs to be revamped! That VA hospital is way out of line. They need to be reported. I worked in the dual diagnosis unit at the VA in my city. Dual diagnosis is drug/alcohol rehab with mental illness. This population is on a different floor than the pysch. ward. I worked in that ward at times also. Btw, you said that the addict got your ex hooked on cocaine. It was her choice to try it.
From what UI understand (never visited the place myself to verify) in Battle Creek Michigan, which is where my ex was admitted, each ward was a different building. Not just a different floor, but an entirely different building. She was also allowed to leave the premises when she wanted for the entire day if she wanted as long as she made bed check at night. WITHOUT A FREAKIN CHAPERONE!!!!! |
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War, I am sorry, I owe you an apology. I don't know what happened, but y post did not post completely. I had aslo stated that I was sure yuo were vasing yuor numbers off of an article or source other than yourself. For whatever reason that did not get posted with my response, and I am sorry. First, we're good, my entire point of posting is to generate dialogue between people, not worthless arguements, but a healty conversation maybe just a little heated debate, whether thats from the same side of the topic or from differing sides. The math thing, is all about the choice of equation, I went with one that was a heck of alot more complicated than yours, but with the topic we're doing the math on, 1 is too damn many. I think we can all agree that the system is not getting the job done and something needs to be done about it.
Oh most definietly. My ex is currently "engaged" to the A$$ that she met while in the VA Medical center (she was an in-patient on the Psych ward for Psychosis, and yes, suicidal tendencies (they would only declare her passively suicidal, not activelky cause she "was not TRYING to kill herself"). She was confirmed as Bipolar and schizophrenic her first day there, and they allowed her to visit with a male patient from a different ward (drug and alchohol no less) unchaperoned in his room with the door closed. He got her hooked on Cocaine and other drugs, though the cocaine is the only one she will name, and to this day she still lives with him, even though he beats her, steals her money and pimps her out. And while all this is going on, she continually sees a psychiatrist as an outpatient once a month at the VA. Hell yes,m the system needs to be changed. My battlebuddy from basic, went straight to Iraq ('93) and came home a month later, minus a leg. The va system refused to give him his disability until he sued them a year later; their claim? there was no proof he lost the leg while on active duty. HELL REAKIN YES the system needs to be revamped! That VA hospital is way out of line. They need to be reported. I worked in the dual diagnosis unit at the VA in my city. Dual diagnosis is drug/alcohol rehab with mental illness. This population is on a different floor than the pysch. ward. I worked in that ward at times also. Btw, you said that the addict got your ex hooked on cocaine. It was her choice to try it.
From what UI understand (never visited the place myself to verify) in Battle Creek Michigan, which is where my ex was admitted, each ward was a different building. Not just a different floor, but an entirely different building. She was also allowed to leave the premises when she wanted for the entire day if she wanted as long as she made bed check at night. WITHOUT A FREAKIN CHAPERONE!!!!! I am so sorry that happened. Like I said, they need to be reported. They were closely supervised where I was at. They had a smoke break schedule with an escort and were taken to a fenced in garden area. They could not leave the floor without an escort. You had to ring a door bell to get in. |
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yep, if the children were not involved, I would never have filed for divorce. But I needed to do so in order to stop her from being able to take them and run.
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