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Topic: As the General election approaches
warmachine's photo
Tue 04/22/08 03:11 PM







Mine is the pretense of terrorism being used to quickly strip us of our liberties, and constitutional rights. Unfortunately there is not a candidate listed who is going to rectify that. It is a sorry, sorry election year
that issue is so prominent, it's showing up in MOVIES!!!(Harold and Kumar)
obviously it is not prominent enough if people are leting them get away with it. I have a bad feeling for the 3% of the population that will not accept what is coming
but the problem is, they are making it into COMEDY!!!
well there is a segment of the population that is hard to work on this, but I fear it will not end well for them. They are strict constitutionalists, and they are deemed as fringe, and "un-american"


Theres video of a training session where the FEMA guy talks about how people who have a pocket constitution may be anti-government terrorists... WTF is up with that?
the funny thing is that at this point they don't even have to push it on us, a lot of the population is BEGGING them to implement it



I know, this is the effect that the liberal neocons have had. They learned their little Trotsky principles and then invaded the GOP. Since then the idea of what is truly conservative has been usurped in favor of a prowar crowd who bows down before the Government like they are the Deity of security.
It's just disgusting.
Free speech zones- Unconstitutional
Gun bans-Unconstitutional
Warrantless wiretapping-Unconstitutional
Preemptive war- IMMORAL
I could just keep right on going.

McCain is nuts, Hillary is powermad and Obama is a snake oil salesman.
We, as a Nation, are in for some serious trouble if we can't correct course.

warmachine's photo
Tue 04/22/08 03:17 PM


I don't get the fearmongering over Iran. Didn't we stand down the Soviets?
Well personally I fear the middle eastern threat far more than I ever did the soviets. Their mind set allows them to less about self preservation, and more about making a statement, any statement, that they can.


The Stalin era Communists couldn't have cared any less about human life though, if they thought that enough of them would have lived through all out nuclear war, they would have fired. Thats why I don't think we have to worry about Iran or any other Nation attacking us with nukes, because we have enough to wipe out life on most of the planet.

It's these little groups of thugs you have to worry about, and if we were taking proper care of our ports and borders, this would be barely a blip on the radar.
The war on Terror is as big a joke as the war on drugs and if you compare the two, we started a war on drugs and got more drugs and violence... so whats going to happen now that we are running around destroying whole nations in the name of a war on terror? Is it a coincidence that the CIA has been slammed on their conduct in both "Wars"?

Single_Rob's photo
Tue 04/22/08 03:19 PM



I don't get the fearmongering over Iran. Didn't we stand down the Soviets?
Well personally I fear the middle eastern threat far more than I ever did the soviets. Their mind set allows them to less about self preservation, and more about making a statement, any statement, that they can.


The Stalin era Communists couldn't have cared any less about human life though, if they thought that enough of them would have lived through all out nuclear war, they would have fired. Thats why I don't think we have to worry about Iran or any other Nation attacking us with nukes, because we have enough to wipe out life on most of the planet.

It's these little groups of thugs you have to worry about, and if we were taking proper care of our ports and borders, this would be barely a blip on the radar.
The war on Terror is as big a joke as the war on drugs and if you compare the two, we started a war on drugs and got more drugs and violence... so whats going to happen now that we are running around destroying whole nations in the name of a war on terror? Is it a coincidence that the CIA has been slammed on their conduct in both "Wars"?
you answered the question there in your post. I find myself agreeing with you on most of these matters, the soviets DID care about maintaining a power base, and their own lives. Some of these people in power in the middle east do not care about their own lives, and are in my opinion much more dangerous because of that

Single_Rob's photo
Tue 04/22/08 03:20 PM








Mine is the pretense of terrorism being used to quickly strip us of our liberties, and constitutional rights. Unfortunately there is not a candidate listed who is going to rectify that. It is a sorry, sorry election year
that issue is so prominent, it's showing up in MOVIES!!!(Harold and Kumar)
obviously it is not prominent enough if people are leting them get away with it. I have a bad feeling for the 3% of the population that will not accept what is coming
but the problem is, they are making it into COMEDY!!!
well there is a segment of the population that is hard to work on this, but I fear it will not end well for them. They are strict constitutionalists, and they are deemed as fringe, and "un-american"


Theres video of a training session where the FEMA guy talks about how people who have a pocket constitution may be anti-government terrorists... WTF is up with that?
the funny thing is that at this point they don't even have to push it on us, a lot of the population is BEGGING them to implement it



I know, this is the effect that the liberal neocons have had. They learned their little Trotsky principles and then invaded the GOP. Since then the idea of what is truly conservative has been usurped in favor of a prowar crowd who bows down before the Government like they are the Deity of security.
It's just disgusting.
Free speech zones- Unconstitutional
Gun bans-Unconstitutional
Warrantless wiretapping-Unconstitutional
Preemptive war- IMMORAL
I could just keep right on going.

McCain is nuts, Hillary is powermad and Obama is a snake oil salesman.
We, as a Nation, are in for some serious trouble if we can't correct course.
march with us on washington July 4th. It will be a silent march, as all our request have fallen on deaf ears away. It will probably be the last peaceful oportunity we will have to make our point

warmachine's photo
Tue 04/22/08 03:22 PM









Mine is the pretense of terrorism being used to quickly strip us of our liberties, and constitutional rights. Unfortunately there is not a candidate listed who is going to rectify that. It is a sorry, sorry election year
that issue is so prominent, it's showing up in MOVIES!!!(Harold and Kumar)
obviously it is not prominent enough if people are leting them get away with it. I have a bad feeling for the 3% of the population that will not accept what is coming
but the problem is, they are making it into COMEDY!!!
well there is a segment of the population that is hard to work on this, but I fear it will not end well for them. They are strict constitutionalists, and they are deemed as fringe, and "un-american"


Theres video of a training session where the FEMA guy talks about how people who have a pocket constitution may be anti-government terrorists... WTF is up with that?
the funny thing is that at this point they don't even have to push it on us, a lot of the population is BEGGING them to implement it



I know, this is the effect that the liberal neocons have had. They learned their little Trotsky principles and then invaded the GOP. Since then the idea of what is truly conservative has been usurped in favor of a prowar crowd who bows down before the Government like they are the Deity of security.
It's just disgusting.
Free speech zones- Unconstitutional
Gun bans-Unconstitutional
Warrantless wiretapping-Unconstitutional
Preemptive war- IMMORAL
I could just keep right on going.

McCain is nuts, Hillary is powermad and Obama is a snake oil salesman.
We, as a Nation, are in for some serious trouble if we can't correct course.
march with us on washington July 4th. It will be a silent march, as all our request have fallen on deaf ears away. It will probably be the last peaceful oportunity we will have to make our point


I totally want to, but I don't know if I can make it, physically or financially.

warmachine's photo
Tue 04/22/08 03:45 PM




I don't get the fearmongering over Iran. Didn't we stand down the Soviets?
Well personally I fear the middle eastern threat far more than I ever did the soviets. Their mind set allows them to less about self preservation, and more about making a statement, any statement, that they can.


The Stalin era Communists couldn't have cared any less about human life though, if they thought that enough of them would have lived through all out nuclear war, they would have fired. Thats why I don't think we have to worry about Iran or any other Nation attacking us with nukes, because we have enough to wipe out life on most of the planet.

It's these little groups of thugs you have to worry about, and if we were taking proper care of our ports and borders, this would be barely a blip on the radar.
The war on Terror is as big a joke as the war on drugs and if you compare the two, we started a war on drugs and got more drugs and violence... so whats going to happen now that we are running around destroying whole nations in the name of a war on terror? Is it a coincidence that the CIA has been slammed on their conduct in both "Wars"?
you answered the question there in your post. I find myself agreeing with you on most of these matters, the soviets DID care about maintaining a power base, and their own lives. Some of these people in power in the middle east do not care about their own lives, and are in my opinion much more dangerous because of that


Once again, it's some people, not the whole nation, thats like wiping out an entire maternity ward because one of them might have MRSA. With the Soviets, they had a propaganda machine (not unlike our own) that developed a high strung sense of Nationalism, alot of the Communists would have liked nothing better than to destroy us with their weapons... but Stalin did say this: "America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold:
its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life.
If we can undermine these three areas,
America will collapse from within."

no photo
Tue 04/22/08 04:06 PM
There are so many issues that concern me.

Physical threat though, something that could pull all into a world war, would be Iran creating the 'da bomb' and someone within the government handing it off to Hezbollah. Not a full nuclear bomb, but enough material to create one serious explosion and death toll.

This has happened in Russia where nuclear materials, sooo much is still unaccounted for, have nearly been handed off to buyers. We got fortunate in stopping them.

If Israel were to get hit by even a nuclear device, not even a bomb, we are talking Israel reacting by blowing someone to oblivion in response and full out WWIII is upon us.

We have China and Iran building bases and doing the imperialism thing in Africa. China building up its navy. North Korea still testing long range missiles. South Korea getting a bit worried again about it.

Venezuela and Ecuador threatening Columbia.

Huge RADICAL Muslim populations in England, France, and the Netherlands. And, in Spain as well (the Moops...lol).

Indonesia is a hotbed. Australia beginning to deal with it as well.

And Russia is getting increasingly iron fisty.

Plus, in places like Germany, Kosovo, Serbia, and former Russian states are becoming HIGHLY nationalistic. There is a definite fever to push for nationalism yet again and when that is on the rise and there is a nearby neighbor they really dislike trouble only follows.

History is repeating itself. Will we have a nationalistic Hitler or some prominent figure assassinated (or a state hit by nuclear material)?

This is all looking very similar to me. There simply needs to be a catalyst to set it off.

warmachine's photo
Tue 04/22/08 04:29 PM
Edited by warmachine on Tue 04/22/08 04:34 PM

There are so many issues that concern me.

Physical threat though, something that could pull all into a world war, would be Iran creating the 'da bomb' and someone within the government handing it off to Hezbollah. Not a full nuclear bomb, but enough material to create one serious explosion and death toll.

This has happened in Russia where nuclear materials, sooo much is still unaccounted for, have nearly been handed off to buyers. We got fortunate in stopping them.

If Israel were to get hit by even a nuclear device, not even a bomb, we are talking Israel reacting by blowing someone to oblivion in response and full out WWIII is upon us.

We have China and Iran building bases and doing the imperialism thing in Africa. China building up its navy. North Korea still testing long range missiles. South Korea getting a bit worried again about it.

Venezuela and Ecuador threatening Columbia.

Huge RADICAL Muslim populations in England, France, and the Netherlands. And, in Spain as well (the Moops...lol).

Indonesia is a hotbed. Australia beginning to deal with it as well.

And Russia is getting increasingly iron fisty.

Plus, in places like Germany, Kosovo, Serbia, and former Russian states are becoming HIGHLY nationalistic. There is a definite fever to push for nationalism yet again and when that is on the rise and there is a nearby neighbor they really dislike trouble only follows.

History is repeating itself. Will we have a nationalistic Hitler or some prominent figure assassinated (or a state hit by nuclear material)?

This is all looking very similar to me. There simply needs to be a catalyst to set it off.


Thats a very good post.

What's going to happen if this catalyst presents itself and America is caught with her pants down with our military all over the world and our border looking less like its being protected and more like a hardcore game of tag?

no photo
Tue 04/22/08 07:25 PM


There are so many issues that concern me.

Physical threat though, something that could pull all into a world war, would be Iran creating the 'da bomb' and someone within the government handing it off to Hezbollah. Not a full nuclear bomb, but enough material to create one serious explosion and death toll.

This has happened in Russia where nuclear materials, sooo much is still unaccounted for, have nearly been handed off to buyers. We got fortunate in stopping them.

If Israel were to get hit by even a nuclear device, not even a bomb, we are talking Israel reacting by blowing someone to oblivion in response and full out WWIII is upon us.

We have China and Iran building bases and doing the imperialism thing in Africa. China building up its navy. North Korea still testing long range missiles. South Korea getting a bit worried again about it.

Venezuela and Ecuador threatening Columbia.

Huge RADICAL Muslim populations in England, France, and the Netherlands. And, in Spain as well (the Moops...lol).

Indonesia is a hotbed. Australia beginning to deal with it as well.

And Russia is getting increasingly iron fisty.

Plus, in places like Germany, Kosovo, Serbia, and former Russian states are becoming HIGHLY nationalistic. There is a definite fever to push for nationalism yet again and when that is on the rise and there is a nearby neighbor they really dislike trouble only follows.

History is repeating itself. Will we have a nationalistic Hitler or some prominent figure assassinated (or a state hit by nuclear material)?

This is all looking very similar to me. There simply needs to be a catalyst to set it off.


Thats a very good post.

What's going to happen if this catalyst presents itself and America is caught with her pants down with our military all over the world and our border looking less like its being protected and more like a hardcore game of tag?


We have the most mobile military in the world. With our military dispersed around the globe we can take any action at any moment. You have to remember that our air force and navy is heavily not in use at the moment. The navy is still strategically moving about the globe to ensure we can act whenever we need to.

Getting caught with our pants down is likely for we USUSALLY do not hit first, it's how the US rolls these days and has for decades. Plus, we are not the one to do something without projecting it first, unlike others.

Our borders are protected, we have National Guard and Full-Timers with heavy military experience now. For decades we had a very untested military, during the entire 90s we had a President who broke down the military heavily. Yes, we had the Gulf War in the early '90s and we did have the whole Bosnia thing, but the first Gulf War was a wipeout of the enemy and Bosnia surely wasn't anything even slightly close to Afghanistan and Iraq.

Having a battle hardened, and tested military will be key should all heck break loose in the world. There are very few that can say the same. Young officers, tested, and highly trained in the harshest of urban combat scenerio.

Our Air Force and Navy are second to none. They are running at near full operational capacity surely for the boming runs have been cut down significantly since the end of major operations and moreso doing air traffic control for Iraqi and other dignitaries coming in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Should all heck break loose, like serious stuff, the draft is surely more likely to return, UNLESS there is a heavy patriotic fever that follows crisis like after 9/11.

warmachine's photo
Tue 04/22/08 07:30 PM
Good return, I have a quick question.

If our border is well protected, why has the Mexican military been allowed to make excursions onto our soil, escorting drug and human traffickers?

In fact they've attacked some of the few border guards we have.

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Wed 04/23/08 04:31 AM

Good return, I have a quick question.

If our border is well protected, why has the Mexican military been allowed to make excursions onto our soil, escorting drug and human traffickers?

In fact they've attacked some of the few border guards we have.


Oh, I am most surely not talking about our border being protected concerning those issues. On the issue of our border defense for daily affairs, not concerning the military, we are very very weak. But, there are military bases within striking distance or mobilization should it be needed quickly.

Why they have been allowed to do this boils down to a few, but really focusing on one thing, and that is politics.

Border guards being killed, military incursions, heavily armed drug traffikers and smugglers, and violence rising on border towns.

Congress sees this and they do NOTHING. The new 'Culture Of Corruption' has too much time dedicated to spending a new record of pork in their home states and get little else done.

However, if a real military or whatever were to come across our border for a true invasion, a recognized one, there are strategic bases about to deal with it. (Though you could always say the illegal immigration from Mexico is an invasion, and I would agree with you, but they are not an advancing army)

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Wed 04/23/08 04:43 AM

Good return, I have a quick question.

If our border is well protected, why has the Mexican military been allowed to make excursions onto our soil, escorting drug and human traffickers?

In fact they've attacked some of the few border guards we have.


Nuke Mexico. Go in wearing radiation suits and take the oil.
laugh

I believe that Mexico has been doing the passive aggressive thing for a coupla decades now. Pretty much since Reagan left the White House. None of the current candidates will do anything to stop this unless there is major public outcry to do so.
So lets all cry out "Put the Mexicans Back in Mexico!"

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Wed 04/23/08 07:37 AM
For me it is the war on terrorism combining with stability in Iraq. If we pull out of Iraq, Iran rushes in and tries to blast Israel off the face of the face of the earth and more,like it or not, attacks on the U.S.A., which in turn will cause, IMO, WWIII.

Without homeland security and the battle against terrorism, there will be NOTHING to be concerned about here in the U.S.A. I truly feel it will be an all out nuclear war. Hopefully I am wrong

People do not realize how dangerous Iran is. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is buddying up with nuclear armed India over gasoline energy supplies via piplines through Pakistan, which financial funding will most likely be used to build Iran's nuclear 'projects' so to speak. This situation is causing justifiable concern with the U.S.

Then, there is North Korea, China, Venezuela. I am not even sure where Russia stands with the U.S. at this point. But, all are countries just waiting to explode into who can be the most powerful, no matter what the price to humanity it may bring.

Setting all that aside, my big concern is the decay of the family, decay of morality and the rising up of more and more hate groups within the U.S. Always finding fault with our country, complaining instead of being useful and positive and doing what they, each individual, can do to improve or contribute to our nation.

Lindyy
:heart: :heart:




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Wed 04/23/08 08:00 AM
The biggest problem is apathy. I don't agree with all the posts here but it least you folks are thinking about the problems we face. Most people don't care as long as they are warm, well fed & entertained.
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All 3 of the top runners are worthless puppets of political parties funded by people who do not care about us past our willingness to keep slaving away for them. Almost anyone could run for president. We do we accept the "choices" we are told we have?


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Wed 04/23/08 08:05 AM

The economy is a great worry for me right now. Here in New York companies are closing left and right; so many people out of work including myself. There are NO JOBS HERE. It's scary. I never thought at this point in my life I could be this scared and afraid to spend money on things just to survive.:cry:

warmachine's photo
Wed 04/23/08 12:52 PM


The economy is a great worry for me right now. Here in New York companies are closing left and right; so many people out of work including myself. There are NO JOBS HERE. It's scary. I never thought at this point in my life I could be this scared and afraid to spend money on things just to survive.:cry:


I'm sorry to hear its gotten that bad for you.

It's pretty bad in Kansas as well.

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