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my mum always said..what comes around goes around..she was right about alot of things and this one was one of them..simple as really
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I do not believe in karma. I believe in the Golden Rule. The premise is somewhat the same, in that I treat others the way I would want to be treated. However... I do not think there is any sort of payback or retribution to either myself or others in the event there is unkindness or the Golden Rule is not followed in general. To me, it is more about respect and courtesy. That's like saying you don't believe in the law of gravity I think. Of course the Law of Karma may be a little differently defined than the law of cause and effect. The Law of cause and effect is scientific, while a Law of Karma has spiritual implications, such as the deities known as the "Lords of Karma." taught in some belief systems. But what goes around comes around anyway you look at it. If you are mean and nasty to people all the time, you will probably find that people seem to be mean and nasty to you. The golden rule is a suggestion. It is not a Law, but it is subject to the law of cause and effect. JB |
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 I do believe that The Buddha did try to show us the True Way to escape the wheel of karma, yet it was through the practice of karma that we may end the cycle of re-birth. Our awareness of the world and our impact sets the wheel and karma in motion. Awareness of self is the greatest tool we have in this world to keep us closer to achieving release from the wheel. The purpose of Karma is so that we can learn from our mistakes. It is a gage to measure our experience and how effective we are in our manifestations. If we do not learn from a mistake we are doomed to repeat them over and over.... until we do learn. You can escape from the wheel and from Karma when you learn from all of your actions and find harmony in the whole, doing only things that benefit everyone within your awareness. This is the practice of unconditional love and acceptance and it involves understanding and cooperation with the whole. JB |
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Mirror, The ultimate goal is nirvana isn't it? The escape from each who is suffering in samsara for an immeasurable time, until one reaches nirvana?... The end being nirvana... The end? I think wikipedia has corn-fused me...  Some of the words do not translate easily into western definitions. Most of the time Nirvana means non-being. An escape from the endless suffering of rebirth. Its a state of non-being as opposed to a physical location such as (western)heaven.
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To ME, MYSELF AND I....the Golden Rule is like Karma. I treat others the way I would like to be treated. the results of it could be a reward (even if it's only a good feeling) or punishment as I stated in my OP...this is based on what I was told from a friend who is wiccan (maybe she made it simple for me...i don't know) i admit i don't know all about Karma. I was under the impression of the same thing creative said. based on what I was told it was...is why I think that it's very similar Most westerners equate the golden rule to karma. Its not neccessarily wrong. Its just a very simplistic view of karma. The true Karma is much more complex. Think of it as "God" without any intelligence. More of a force or cosmic principle.
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Me too cause I am confused...  I will have to read it all later though, I gotta run... Mirror... Could you un-confuse me? You-ins have a grate day...  I gosta go... I am feeling far too playful for any serious contemplation right now... Honestly Creative, there are as many different interpretations of eastern beliefs as western beliefs. There is no one true definition for a lot of this stuff.
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Edited by
lilith401
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Fri 04/04/08 12:21 PM
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I do not believe in karma. I believe in the Golden Rule. The premise is somewhat the same, in that I treat others the way I would want to be treated. However... I do not think there is any sort of payback or retribution to either myself or others in the event there is unkindness or the Golden Rule is not followed in general. To me, it is more about respect and courtesy. That's like saying you don't believe in the law of gravity I think. Of course the Law of Karma may be a little differently defined than the law of cause and effect. The Law of cause and effect is scientific, while a Law of Karma has spiritual implications, such as the deities known as the "Lords of Karma." taught in some belief systems. But what goes around comes around anyway you look at it. If you are mean and nasty to people all the time, you will probably find that people seem to be mean and nasty to you. The golden rule is a suggestion. It is not a Law, but it is subject to the law of cause and effect. JB Wow. You crack me up!
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 Ive had a lot of fun getting to discuss something different in the Religion Section. Its fascinating getting to hear you people discuss something besides the same old thing. Escpecially you religious thread junkies (you know who you are )
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I know I'm safe from that comment!
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Ive had a lot of fun getting to discuss something different in the Religion Section. Its fascinating getting to hear you people discuss something besides the same old thing. Escpecially you religious thread junkies (you know who you are ) glad I could make you smile then this thread's for you Mirror....just try to not exclude everything. i turn the reigns over to you
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Ive had a lot of fun getting to discuss something different in the Religion Section. Its fascinating getting to hear you people discuss something besides the same old thing. Escpecially you religious thread junkies (you know who you are ) glad I could make you smile then this thread's for you Mirror....just try to not exclude everything. i turn the reigns over to you I could start a whole host of new threads about a lot of religions but I prefer to let others take the converstion where they want. You folks should take a closer look at the eastern religions. Its fascinating stuff with a lot of wisdom in it.
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CreativeSoul---- You should take a look at Hinduism,the Buddha, then Mahavira, and Guru Nanak. In that order. Its easier to understand if you learn about them in that order since a lot of the concepts build upon each other.
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I saw a shirt that one of our residents got that says, "I don't have to be good; I am cute." I couldn't help but think that the words defied karma.
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Mirror, The ultimate goal is nirvana isn't it? The escape from each who is suffering in samsara for an immeasurable time, until one reaches nirvana?... The end being nirvana... The end? I think wikipedia has corn-fused me... Some of the words do not translate easily into western definitions. Most of the time Nirvana means non-being. An escape from the endless suffering of rebirth. Its a state of non-being as opposed to a physical location such as (western)heaven. I thought nirvana was more like an orgasm.   I think I need a cigarette.
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Fri 04/04/08 04:40 PM
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I found this on the net and thought it was interesting. Just something to share.
Christianity: All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye so to them; for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:1 Confucianism: Do not do to others what you would not like yourself. Then there will be no resentment against you, either in the family or in the state. Analects 12:2 Buddhism: Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful. Udana-Varga 5,1 Hinduism: This is the sum of duty; do naught onto others what you would not have them do unto you. Mahabharata 5,1517 Islam: No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself. Sunnah Judaism: What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellowman. This is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary. Talmud, Shabbat 3id Taoism: Regard your neighbor’s gain as your gain, and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss. Tai Shang Kan Yin P’ien Zoroastrianism: That nature alone is good which refrains from doing another whatsoever is not good for itself. Dadisten-I-dinik, 94,5 |
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Rainbow and JB:
A friend of mine has a shirt that says " I may not be Mr. Perfect, but I will date you until he comes along..." Mirror, Thank you for your suggestions and discussion... I have read several translations of The Tao...that line of thought resonates quite well within me... |
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I found this on the net and thought it was interesting. Just something to share. Christianity: All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye so to them; for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:1 Confucianism: Do not do to others what you would not like yourself. Then there will be no resentment against you, either in the family or in the state. Analects 12:2 Buddhism: Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful. Udana-Varga 5,1 Hinduism: This is the sum of duty; do naught onto others what you would not have them do unto you. Mahabharata 5,1517 Islam: No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself. Sunnah Judaism: What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellowman. This is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary. Talmud, Shabbat 3id Taoism: Regard your neighbor’s gain as your gain, and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss. Tai Shang Kan Yin P’ien Zoroastrianism: That nature alone is good which refrains from doing another whatsoever is not good for itself. Dadisten-I-dinik, 94,5 Its called Ahimsa (non-harm). Most religions embrace this notion, one way or another.
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Edited by
KarmaKills420
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Thu 04/10/08 05:54 PM
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Karma is out out there il say that but its just the way u precieve it, by life experiences. U learn to live a certain way or fasion i believe we are able to counteract the so-called karma experience......that cycle can be broken
Someone give me a thought so i can have an intellegent conversation if anyone out their can. |
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