I was wondering if anybody else has found flaws in logic. I mean at the time it made perfect sense but later on reflecting when it didn't turn out like you figured it would it seem like a flaw in logic.

no flaw in my logic, just don't always count all the details......

Happens all the time

that sounds logical...no...wait...now i'm not so sure

does my life count

Doubt might be an attribute of logic, hmm. Interesting.

sounds logical, but i doubt it

and btw, this happened to me just today in a JSH post where something that seemed perfectly logical suddenly had a new light...so yes, this can happen!

So you doubted a doubt then?

yes...so does that make it logic?

I would say that is debateable.

Some logic works.

Some logic don’t.

It all depends on your premises babe.

All depends on your premises,…

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Premises, premises
such sweet foundations
they give you hope and expectations
but when your logic’s gone awry
and you’ve lost the answers to your why’s
don’t let your eyes demise
your premise is where your problem lies!

Oh ok. Here is a basic premise. There is a logical reason for everything. Does that sound logical?

Not really, because you just made the premise up and have no idea whether it's true or not.

Jeanniebean, has the only premise that holds any truth.

"I AM"

That's about the only premise we can know.

The only problem is that we have no other premises to rub it up against to start a train of logic.

So the choo-choo spins its wheels.

If you take "I AM" as you're sole knowable premise, that leads to solipsism, which is a kind of dead-end street that just formally recognized what you already knew. That there are no other premises to rub up against for form a choo-choo train of logic.

There is an escape however!

We can move onward to Pantheism. And accept a second premise – “YOU IS”

Then we have two premises. I AM and YOU IS.

Then we can rub up against each other and do the choo-choo train thing.

It might not reveal any more logic, but at least it’s sexy!!!

Err, well, it can be,…

That all depends on who the I AM and YOU IS are.

Logic is a very tricky business.

Question: When a tree falls in the woods and there's no ear to hear it, does it make a sound?

Answer?

Do you have an answer?

Here’s my answer,…

How do you define ‘sound’?

Yep, just another question. But an important one.

If you define sound as vibrations in air, and we’re given the premise that there is air in the woods, then by that definition the tree made ‘sound’ (i.e. it made vibrations in the air when it fell).

However, if you define sound as that which an ear perceives. Then there is no sound if there is no ear to hear it, and thus the answer is differnet. It all depends on your premises, and definitions.

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Let’s say you have blue bottle. Is the bottle blue?

Sure seems like it should be since I just said it is a blue bottle huh?

But maybe not. Isaac Newton showed us that color does not belong to objects, but to light.

The bottle may only appear to be blue when white light reflects from it. But if you shine ultraviolet light on it, it may appear to be green. Which color is it, really?

Well, it’s neither, and it’s both.

Most everything comes down to definitions. Logic is based on definitions. If the definitions are lame, or flexible, then any logic built upon them will be just as lame and/or flimsy.

Logic is good stuff, and can be very useful in pragmatic ways. But when it comes to figuring out the nature of reality it gets lame real quick.

Then you start firing blanks because your premises are ghosts.

stand somewhere, even if its wrong.

wear it, feel it and wrestle with it, test it prove it.

when something enlightening comes along, choices abound.

contradictions are not hypocrisy.

Look for the missing ingredient not being absorbed in the recipe. If there is one, then contradictions abound until that ingredient fits.

Hypocrisy is another story. One cannot fool oneself.

It is a uniquely personal struggle to find inner peace.

Oh ok. I am logical and you is, too.

I'm a big fan of uncertainty

There ain't no flaws in logic!!!

aahhhh......

violating grammar is fun!!!!!!

Here's my flaw in logic! How does this fit into a religion forum!?!?!?!?!