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Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Sat 10/10/15 08:52 AM Topic: God or Religion?
Christianity to the best of my knowledge does not teach that there are other Gods.What I believe it does say is that men have created other gods(small g) but there is only one god.It is a contradiction of terms to talk about more than one God (capital g) Since God is supposedly supreme there can only be one supreme. Reference to a Triune god is religious dogma. The Christian 10 Commandments. God acknowledges other Gods. If God refers to them as other Gods then who should argue. Money is a God. Man created Money. The Cross is an Idol. Sometimes Worshiped as a God. For some The Bible is a GOD. Christ was a Savior but worshiped as a God.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Fri 10/09/15 05:49 PM Topic: The Meaning of Colors
Each color has many aspects to it but you can easily learn the language of color by understanding a few simple concepts. http://www.empower-yourself-with-color-psychology.com/meaning-of-colors.html The color red is the color of energy, passion and action Effects of Red: Stimulating: to the physical senses- the sexual and physical appetite. It stimulates the deeper passions within us, such as sex, love, courage, hatred or revenge. If you have a flagging sex life and would like to introduce more passion into it, introduce some red into the bedroom – the more red, the more passion, but don’t overdo it or it will have the opposite effect. Exciting and Motivating: it excites our emotions and inspires us to take action. Attention-getting: it demands you to take notice, alerting you to danger. This is why we have red traffic lights and stop signs – it is the universal color for danger. Assertive and Aggressive: drivers of red cars should take note! A small survey I did a few years ago showed that drivers of red cars, including females, said they felt quite aggressive behind the wheel of their red car. Variations of the Color Red Maroon: a dark bluish red, it denotes controlled and more thoughtful action. It is slightly softer than burgundy and not as dramatic as true red. Burgundy: a dark purplish red, it is more sophisticated and serious and less energetic than true red. It indicates controlled power, determined ambition and dignified action and is often favored by the wealthy. Crimson: has a little blue in it. It indicates a determination to succeed but without upsetting anyone else. It emits sensuality rather than sexuality. Scarlet: has a little orange mixed with it, giving it a richness and brightness. It indicates enthusiasm and a love of life. It is a little less intense and more fun-loving than true red, tempered with a degree of defiance. The Color Orange is the color of adventure and social communication Effects of Orange Enthusiasm: Orange is optimistic and extroverted - the color of the uninhibited. Rejuvenation: Orange helps to restore balance to our physical energies. Stimulation: Orange is not as passionate or as excitable as red, but it is stimulating, particularly to the appetite - the worst color to have in the kitchen if you want to lose weight. Courage: Orange helps us to take account of our lives, to face the consequences, to take action and make appropriate changes, and then to move onward and upward. Vitality: Orange has a more balanced energy than red, not as passionate and aggressive, but full of vitality. Variations of the Color Orange Peach: Peach encourages great communication and conversation. It inspires good manners and puts people at ease. It has all the attributes of orange but in a much softer, gentler and more cautious form. Golden Orange: This version of orange encourages vitality and self-control. Amber: Amber helps to inspire greater confidence and better self esteem. It can promote a degree of arrogance. Burnt Orange: This color emits a negative vibration indicating pride, tension and aggressive self-assertion. Dark Orange: Dark orange indicates over-confidence and over-ambition. It tries too hard to prove its worth and to boost its self-esteem, but when it fails, which is often, it develops a chip on its shoulder. It is the color of the opportunist, taking selfish advantage of every situation. The color yellow is the color of the mind and the intellect Effects of Yellow: Creative: The color of new ideas, yellow helps us find new ways of doing things. Quick decisions: Yellow helps with clear thinking and quick decision-making but it can also be impulsive. Anxiety producing: Yellow is fast moving so too much time in its presence can agitate and lead to nervousness and emotional instability. Critical: Yellow makes people more mentally analytical and self critical of both themselves and others. Non-emotional: Yellow relates to the head not the heart. Variations of the Color Yellow Light Clear Yellow: This color helps to clear the mind, making it open and alert. Lemon Yellow: Lemon yellow promotes self-reliance and a need for an orderly life. This yellow increases our sensitivity to criticism. Citrine Yellow: Citrine is a superficial and fickle color. It encourages the serial relationship hopper, the teaser, with unstable emotions. This yellow can be deceitful and retreats from responsibility. Golden Yellow: This yellow is the color of the loner with an intense curiosity and interest in investigating the finer details of its interests. Golden yellow is sensitive to criticism. Cream: Cream, tinted with a hint of yellow, encourages new ideas. However, this very pale color can also indicate a lack of confidence and a need for reassurance. Dark Yellow: The darker shades of yellow indicate an inclination toward depression and melancholy, lack of love and low self-worth. Dark yellow relates to the constant complainer and the cynic. The color green is the color of balance, harmony and growth Effects of Green: Rejuvenating: The color green revitalizes us when we are physically, mentally or emotionally exhausted. Nurturing: Because of its link with the heart, green urges us to nurture others. Green is also nurturing to us - another reason why it is the most predominant colour on earth. Dependable, agreeable and diplomatic: The color green helps us to see situations clearly from all sides. Possessiveness: Green is a color that encourages us to want to own things and people, to collect and possess. Green encourages materialism. Envy:Green with envy' is a common phrase and a negative reaction to the color green. Variations of the Color Green Pale green: As the color of new growth on plants, it indicates immaturity, youthfulness and inexperience. It allows us to see things from a new perspective, to make a fresh start. Emerald green: This is an inspiring and uplifting color suggesting abundance and wealth in all its forms, from material wellbeing, to emotional wellbeing to creative ideas. Jade green: The color of trust and confidentiality, tact and diplomacy, jade green indicates a generosity of spirit, giving without expecting anything in return. It increases worldly wisdom and understanding, assisting in the search for enlightenment. Lime green: Lime green inspires youthfulness, naivety and playfulness; it is liked the most by younger people. It creates a feeling of anticipation, and helps to clear the mind of negativity. Dark green: There is a degree of resentment in dark green. Often used by wealthy businessmen, ambitious and always striving for more wealth, dark green signifies greed and selfish desire. Aqua: Aqua calms the spirit, offering protection and healing for the emotions. Olive green: Although the traditional color for peace, 'offering an olive branch', the color olive suggests deceit and treachery, blaming others for its problems. However there is also a strength of character with it that can overcome adversity to develop an understanding and caring of the feelings of others. Yellow green: This color green suggests cowardice, conflict and fear. Grass green: Grass green is the color of money. It is self-confident and secure, natural and healthy, occurring in abundance in nature. The color blue is the color of trust and responsibility Effects of Blue Conservative: The color blue is a safe colour - the most universally liked colour of all. Predictable: Blue is not impulsive or spontaneous and it doesn't like to be rushed - blue needs to analyze and think things through, and to work to a plan. Orderly: Blue needs to have direction & order- untidiness and unpredictability overwhelms it. Rigid: Blue likes familiarity. It doesn't like change and will stubbornly do things its own way, even if there is a better way. Variations of the Color Blue Pale Blue: Pale blue inspires creativity and the freedom to break free. Sky Blue: One of the calmest colors, sky blue inspires selfless love and fidelity. It is non-threatening and promotes a helpful nature that can overcome all obstacles. It is the universal healer. Azure Blue:A color of true contentment, azure inspires determination and ambition to achieve great things, a sense of purpose in striving for goals. Dark Blue: Dark blue is the color of conservatism and responsibility. Although it appears to be cool, calm and collected, it is the color of the non-emotional worrier with repressed feelings, the pessimist and the hypocrite. Dark blue can be compassionate but has trouble showing it as its emotions run deep. Dark blue is a serious masculine color representing knowledge, power, and integrity, and is used quite often in the corporate world. The Color Indigo is the color of intuition, perception and the higher mind The Color Indigo Represents: Intuition: use it to assist in accessing intuitive abilities - it is the first step to higher spiritual knowledge Integrity: and deep sincerity are qualities of indigo Structure and Order: a good colour to use in restructuring aspects of your life or business Wisdom: an inner knowingness and awareness - spiritual wisdom rather than the wisdom of the intellect Effects of The Color Indigo: Introspection: promotes deep concentration during times of introspection and meditation - can lead to feelings of being spaced out. Idealistic: an ability to plan for the future. Addiction: can support an addictive personality into maintaining their addictions - don't use it if you are trying to overcome an addiction - it is associated with the religious fanatic - the colour of the workaholic who thinks they are indispensable - can also be related to those who are addicted to getting qualifications. The Dramatist: relates to the acting profession - can cause people to 'make a mountain out of a molehill'. Conformity: a love of ritual - conformity to the things that have worked in the past, not just for the sake of conforming. The color purple is the color of the imagination and spirituality Effects of the Color Purple/Violet: Empathy: Compassion, kindness and a love of humanity are positive qualities of Violet. Controlled emotion: Violet is passionate, like red, but inclined to display it in private only. Respectable & distinguished: The darker shades of violet particularly are linked to the origins of purple where it was only available to royalty and the wealthy. Impractical: Violet can be impractical, with its head in the clouds rather than having its feet on the ground. It tends to see life as it imagines it, rather than how it is. Immature: Violet can be immature, encouraging fantasy and an idealism that is often difficult to achieve in real life. Dignity: Violet exudes a quiet modest form of dignity which is often appealing to others. Cynical: This is a negative side of violet. Variations of the Color Purple/Violet Lavender: Lavender is a light purple color with a bluish hue, a light violet color. It is a color that is attracted to beautiful things. It has a fragility, sensitivity and vulnerability to it. Lilac: Lilac is a pale muted violet color with a slightly pinkish hue. It implies immaturity, superficiality and youthfulness. It is extroverted and enthusiastic, inspiring glamour, romance and vanity. Mauve: Mauve fits somewhere between lavender and lilac. helps us to make the best choices and decisions; it is concerned for justice to be done and always does the right thing. On the other hand it can indicate a degree of commonness, the social climber aspiring to higher ideals. Amethyst: A mystical color, amethyst opens intuitive channels. It protects the vulnerable and assists the humanitarian. It is the color of the evolved soul. Plum: Plum is a reddish purple. An old-fashioned color, plum is honorable and linked to family traditions. It is also prudish and narrow-minded, always preaching at you. Deep Purple: Dark purple is related to higher spiritual attainment. A powerful color, it can also indicate arrogance and ruthlessness. The meaning of the color turquoise is open communication and clarity of thought. Effects of the Color Turquoise Clarity of Thought: It enhances the ability to focus and concentrate, assisting with clear thinking and decision-making, and the development of good organizational skills. Calming: It is calming yet invigorating, restoring depleted energies. Non-emotional: A negative effect of turquoise is that it can cause people to be too aloof and to hide their emotional reactions. Variations of the Color Turquoise Aqua: Closer to green than blue, aqua is refreshing and uplifting. It is creative and light-hearted, yet strong and individual. Aquamarine: Enhancing creativity and inspiration, the color aquamarine calms and balances the mind and the emotions. Teal: A more sophisticated version of turquoise, teal signifies trustworthiness and reliability. It promotes spiritual advancement and commitment. The meaning of the color pink is unconditional love and nurturing. Effects of the Color Pink: Calming: Pink calms our emotional energies. Non-threatening: Pink lacks any aggression or anger, although the deeper pinks can be more assertive and confident. Affectionate: Pink offers warmth and tenderness to friends and family. Caring: Sensitivity and tender loving care relate to pink's feminine and intuitive energies. Immature: Pink is the color of the sweet young girl, before life's experiences take over. Variations of the Color Pink Blush: Similar to skin color, this very pale pink has sensual and sexual connotations. It is non-threatening but lacks passion and energy. Rose Pink: This is the pink of universal love and unity. It is mature, feminine and intuitive. Salmon Pink: There is a touch of orange in salmon pink. It encourages the flirt, and can be a sign of the timid lover, all talk and no play. Orchid: This is an unusual lavender-pink and relates to the unconventional and the individual doing his or her own thing. It is the non conformist. Fuchsia: A blend of deep pink and blue, fuchsia inspires confidence, assurance and maturity, a more responsible and controlled nurturing and love. Hot Pink: Hot pink inspires a more passionate, playful and sensual love. It exudes warmth and happiness and a love of life. The Color Magenta is the Color of Universal Harmony & Emotional Balance The Color Magenta Represents: Universal harmony: at its highest level it generates love, caring, kindness and cooperation, encouraging a balanced and harmonious outlook on life. Non-conformist: the color of the free spirit, it does not like to be confined and contained. Change and Transformation: helps to release old and outdated patterns of behavior to inspire growth and personal development. Effects of Magenta: Emotional Balance: spiritual yet practical, it helps to create emotional, physical and spiritual balance. Compassion: gentle and caring in its approach, it generates acceptance, tolerance, support and patience. Inspiration: inspires cheerfulness and optimism, creativity and innovation, dream activity, positive change and negotiating skills. The Color Brown is the color of security, protection and material wealth Effects of Brown: Comforting: Sensual and warm, friendly and approachable, brown engulfs one in a feeling of calm and safety Protective: creates a safe haven of support for family and friends Materialistic: it encourages material security and the accumulation of possessions Variations of the Color Brown: Light Brown: is friendly and approachable, sincere, honest and genuine Dark brown: is strong yet sad and depressive, materialistic yet prudent Tan: is ageless and timeless, straightforward, uncomplicated and natural Ivory: is calming, yet encouraging, with a reserved style of simple sophistication Beige: is practical and reliable, conservative, constant, unchanging and loyal The Color Gray is the color of detachment, indecision and compromise Effects of Gray: Indecision: Gray prefers to sit in the middle, not making a decision either way, sitting on the fence. Detached: being non-emotional, gray can appear indifferent, uncaring, cold and aloof. Depression: gray can stifle and depress energy but it is also the stable base from which the new and positive can come. Unemotional: gray can appear neutral, disinterested, objective or impartial. Variations of the Color Gray Light gray is soothing and calming. It enlightens, saves and rescues those in difficult life situations. Dark gray is conventional and constrained. It is serious and solemn, inflexible and strict. It relates to self-denial and self-discipline. The Color Silver is the color of illumination and reflection The Color Silver Represents: Illumination: silver opens the mind and lights the way forward. Reflection: it reflects back the energy sent out, whether that energy is positive or negative. Prestige and Wealth: silver is seen as glamorous and sophisticated, and relates to the professional and corporate market. Feminine Power: it is related to the femininity of the moon's energy, sensitive, emotional and fluid. Effects of Silver: Calming and soothing: its gentle and comforting qualities relate to the sensitivity of the moon's cycle of ebb and flow. Lifeless: the colorless energy of silver can lead to negative feelings of coldness, indecision and being non-committal. Dignified and responsible: silver is respectable and courteous, mature and determined, wise and organized. The Color Gold is the color of wealth, success and status The Color Gold Represents: Success: gold relates to achievement and victory, the winner. Wealth: gold implies affluence, material wealth and extravagance. Prestige and luxury: gold is associated with sophistication, elegance, value, quality and status. Effects of Gold: Enlightenment: gold, at its highest level, inspires knowledge, spirituality and a deep understanding of the self and the soul. Compassion: caring, loving, generous and giving, gold is the benefactor or patron. Generosity: gold loves to share its wisdom, knowledge and wealth with others. The meaning of the color white is purity, innocence, wholeness and completion The Color White Represents: Innocence and purity: White is the beginning of everything, before anything is muddied or thinking is 'colored'. New beginnings: White represents the clean slate, helping us through times of stress, and allowing us put the past behind us and preparing us to move on. Equality and unity: White represents the positive as well as the negative aspects of all colors. It contains an equal balance of all the colors of the spectrum. Effects of White: Impartial: White suggests fairness and neutrality because of the balance and equality of all the colors contained within it. Rescuer: White rescues us from the dark. It is the white knight, rescuing the damsel in distress. Futuristic: Symbolizing a clean slate, we can envisage anything with white. Efficient: White is clean and clinical, giving an impression of efficiency and organization. The color black relates to the hidden, the secretive and the unknown, and as a result it creates an air of mystery. It keeps things bottled up inside, hidden from the world. The Color Black Represents Mystery: Black is the unknown. It is secretive, keeping a lot buried inside, unwilling to show its real feelings. Power and Control: Black is power and control of the self and others. It creates fear and intimidation. Effects of the Color Black Formal, dignified and sophisticated: As in the little black dress and the formal dinner suit. Aloof: Black sets itself aside from others with its heavy and intense energy. It keeps others at arm's length. Depressing: Black can close us to the positive aspects of life, forcing us to look at our disappointments and the black or negative aspects of our life. It can create a fear of the future. Pessimistic: Too much black encourages us to look at the negative side of life. What Does Your Personality Color Say About You? If your favorite color is red, you are action oriented with a deep need for physical fulfillment and to experience life through the five senses. If orange is your favorite color, you have a great need to be with people, to socialize with them, and be accepted and respected as part of a group. You also have a need for challenges in your life, whether it is physical or social challenges. Choosing yellow as your favorite means you have a deep need for logical order in your everyday life and to be able to express your individuality by using your logical mind to inspire and create new ideas. If green is your favorite, you have a deep need to belong, to love and be loved, and to feel safe and secure. You need acceptance and acknowledgment for the everyday things you do for others - just a 'thank you' is sufficient. Lovers of blue have a deep need to find inner peace and truth, to live their life according to their ideals and beliefs without having to change their inflexible viewpoint of life to satisfy others. Indigo lovers have a need to feel in harmony and at one with the Universe and to be accepted by others as the aware and intuitive spiritual beings that they are. If purple or violet is your favorite color, you have a deep need for emotional security and to create order and perfection in all areas of your life, including your spiritual life. You also have a deep need to initiate and participate in humanitarian projects, helping others in need. If your personality color is pink you have a deep need to be accepted and loved unconditionally. If turquoise is your favorite color your deepest need is to create emotional balance in your life, to be able to express your hopes and dreams no matter how idealistic they may be and to make your own way in the world under your own terms. If your favorite color is magenta, you are a non-conformist who sees life from a different point of view. Lovers of brown have a deep need for a safe, secure, simple and comfortable existence with supportive family and friends. Lovers of black have a need for power and control in order to protect their own emotional insecurities. If white is your personality color, your deepest need is for simplicity in your own life and to be independent and self-reliant so you do not need to depend on anyone else. With gray as your favorite color, you are the middle of the road type, cool, conserved, composed and reliable. You tend to conform just to keep the peace. If silver is your favorite, you are intuitive and insightful and have a strong connection with a higher spiritual guidance. With a personality color gold, you radiate charisma, personality and individuality, making others feel relaxed and valued in your company.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Fri 10/09/15 05:26 PM Topic: The Meaning of Gemstones
In the philosophy of Love we present meaning to our loved ones using rare gems. I thought you might find it interesting to know what different gemstones mean. I give you...Gemstones and their Meanings http://www.sedonawolf.com/crnmaid3-2/gemstones-and-their-meanings/ Agate – Courage, symbolizes 3rd Eye, gives a spiritual love of truth, banishes fears, hardens tender gums. Alexandrite – Inner and outer regeneration, works on the crown chakra, brings general good fortune. Amazonite – Strengthens the nervous system, used in ancient Egypt Amber – Grounds and stabilizes, healing agent, acts as a filter, radiates light and heat. Amethyst – Protection, spiritual attunement, gives visions or opens spiritual and psychic centers, reduces mental tension, induces pleasant healing dreams, prevents over indulgence and encourages transformation and breaking of bad habits. Apatite – Clears confusion in the mental stratas Aquamarine – Gives one direction in life and spiritual visions, lifts ones spirit, calms the nerves, protection at sea. Courage in social group situations, adventures in love and life, gives luck where perception is required. Azurite – jewel of wisdom, revitalizes damaged tissue, good use in hypnosis, stimulates thought, gives mental control. Carnelian – Gives feeling of well-being, recycles past-life experiences, speeds up law of karma. Cat’s Eye – Insight into one’s own faults, treats the eyes Celestite – Communication with cosmic beings and beings of light. Chrysoprase – Tranquilizer. ChrysacoIla – Helps alleviate personal fears and guilt, gives clear-seeing, aids in Cancer therapy. Citrine – Cheerfulness, control over emotions, clear thought, overcomes mental blocks. Coral – Good for keeping thoughts in control for visualization and while meditating, helps arthritis. Diamond – Respiratory problems, attunement to higher forces, best worn with other stones, opens Ajna and Crown Chakra. Emerald – Meditation, healing, business success, it totally rejects evil; gives power to foretell future events, a link with spiritual forces. Fluorite – Grounds, holds, directs excess energy for highest efficiency and to be used when needed, centering tool. Garnet – Aids in remembering dreams, for going backwards in time, attracts profound love, gives persistence, cures depression, works on liver to relieve toxins in the body. Hematite – Bestows wisdom, idealism and unselfishness on wearer, strengthens stomach and intestines when worn on solar plexus, helps stop bleeding. Jade – Peace, tranquility, soothes the eyes and emotions, for going backwards in time, wisdom, universal attunement, gives long-life and a peaceful death. Jasper – Improves sense of smell, strengthens one’s will to do good, balances the emotions. Jet – To relieve depression, eliminate fearful thoughts, protection, provides direction in relationship with one’s soul and spirit Kunzite – Balances emotional and mental bodies. Laboradorite/Spectrolite – Symbol of opened Third Eye, gives one desire to perfect self balance and aura. Lapis Lazuli – Stone of friendship, helps one to be more kind and helpful, spiritual attunement, connects us to our resonating star, it is a stone of fidelity. Malachite – Prosperity, treats the eyes and abnormal blood sugar levels, treats circulatory diseases. Moonstone – Calming, good for meditation, spiritual guidance and protection while traveling, prophecy, love stimulator, brings happy experiences to those who are sensitive. Onyx – Stone of separation, can be used for purpose of release, to end a bothersome relationship. Opal – Divination and prophecy, balances chakras, used for centering self, aids in channeling and teaching truths to others, psychic journeys, anchor of hope, stone of cupid. Padparadsch – Knowledge of human nature, helps one to see through false friends, brings honor, wealth and friendship Pearl – Associated with the ministry, wisdom through experience, quickens the law of karma, brings engagements and love relationships. Peridot – Gift from the Sun, helps us open our inner sight to the spiritual Sun, develops inner vision and the ability to look into the future, frees one of jealous thoughts and counteracts negative emotions. Quartz Crystal – Raises one’s vibration, bridges the material world with other realms, it has the ability to store and transmit energy, excellent for healing on all levels and for meditation. Rhodochrosite – Rescue remedy stone, holds force fields with the aid of the Devic Kingdom, inspires forgiveness and heals emotions, attracts love into our life. Ruby – Spiritual wisdom, focuses mental concentration on a specific thing, confidence – stone of life and energy. Rutilated Quartz – Rutile in quartz magnifies the basic energy of the quartz and aids in the healing process. Rose Quartz – Brings more love into the life, skin rejuvenation, kidneys. Sapphire – Treats mental illness, it attracts good people into the life, calms the nerves, suitable for meditation, gives pure insight and God truth, stone of chastity. Sardonyx – Bands together those of like natures, links loved ones on an emotional level, ties up loose ends. Smokey Quartz – Helps one get more in touch with nature, excellent for meditation and healing on the mental and etheric levels, carries an ultra sound frequency which enables one to develop clairaudience and mediumship. Sodalite – Balances glands and metabolism, good for competitive sports, gives courage and endurance. Staurolite – Protection, a sweet stone. Topaz – For contacting astral beings, develops psychic abilities, gives glimpses of the beyond, overcomes fear of death, restores sense of taste, stimulates appetite, calms emotions, relieves tension, restores physical protection from falls and drowning. Tiger Eye – Purifies the system after over-indulgence, protective stone, treats diseases of the eyes. Tourmalinated Quartz – A light bringer, breaks up existing habits and conditioning standing in the way of one’s spiritual and physical progress. Tourmaline – Balances and Protects. Watermelon Tourmaline – Balances emotions, good for relationships and for those who are counselors, balances the metabolism. Green Tourmaline – Business success, soothes the nerves, brings the brow and crown chakras into balance. Pink Tourmaline – Works on the heart chakra, increases the will to love and to sacrifice. Black Tourmaline – Very protective, good for those who have to deal with negativity. Turquoise – Reminds us of our spiritual nature, gives protection, stone of friendship. Zircon – Gives the ability to read images and symbols, a stone for communicating with the angels, gives safe passage wherever one travels and assures a warm reception. Color of Stones Meanings White Stones – Purifies physical, emotional, mental or etheric bodies. Pink – Love, self-respect and self-worth. Red – Energy, sex, courage. Orange – Cheerfulness, frees one from too many responsibilities. Yellow – Mental awareness, nerves. Green – Healing, abundance, balance self-control. Turquoise – Flashes of intuition, encounters from the past. Sky Blue – Increases spiritual awareness. Dark Blue, Indigo – Protection, strength, occult work, calms Violet, Purple – Transformation, elevates the soul. Gold – Wisdom, self-confidence, strengthens the heart. Brown – Practicality, stabilizes. Black – Abstract thought, protective, material world. BIRTH STONES By Sign Aries – Ruby, Jasper – Red Stones Taurus – Emerald – Green Stones. Gemini – Diamond, Herkimer, Quartz – Yellow Cancer – Moonstone, White Coral – White Stones. Leo – Peridot, Gold Quartz, Citrine, Gold or Orange Stones. Virgo – Sapphire, Carnelian, Agate – Dark Blue Stones. Libra – Opal, Aventurine, Tourmalines – Pink Stones. Scorpio – Garnet, Beryl, Topaz – Deep Red Stones. Sagittarius – Topaz, Zircon, Turquoise – Sky Blue Stones. Aquarius – Lapis Lazuli, Drusy Chrysacolla – Electric Blue. Pisces – Aquamarine, Amethyst – Purple, Blue-Green Stones. Birth Stones By Month (Conventional) January – Garnet February – Amethyst March – Aquamarine April – Diamond May – Emerald June – Pearl July – Ruby August – Peridot September – Sapphire October – Opal November – Topaz December – Turquoise

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Fri 10/09/15 05:16 PM Topic: Transhumanism and The AI Singularity
Quite sometime ago I read some excerpts from a few of Ray Kurzwell's books concerning The computer AI and what the term Singularity was. This lead me to investigating the concept of Transhumanism. Specifically "Mind Uploading" Recently I saw a movie called 'Transcendence' with Johnny Depp. http://www.putlocker.ws/file/75D9312F31067171 The movie very closely matched many of the aspects of Mind Uploading and AI Singularity thru Transhumanism. It closely approximated the use of Nanotechnology via AI Control. While limited, it reawakened my interest in the subjects. This not a discussion about the movie but about the subjects depicted in the movie. Kurzweil goes into detail about the Turing test and explains that "sometime between 2020 and 2070" the test will be passed to such a degree that "no reasonable person familiar with the field" will question the result. I recall seeing just recently (within the last year or so) that an AI has already passed the Turing Test. It is expected that when True AI Singularity is achieved the AI will surpass human intellect within a month and exceed humans to the point of godhood within a year. At that point we will be at the mercy of our creation. Lots of Science Fiction explores the dangers but what if the AI is peaceful or teaches us? What secrets of the Universe might be unlocked to us thru understanding? Might we explore the Universe via mind uploading to great machines? Live forever in a matrix or be repressed or even eliminated as inferior beings? The cold fact is that we are fast approching the time when we will find out for sure.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Fri 10/09/15 04:48 PM Topic: Earth's Timeline In 1MY increments
3,826,000,000 Archaea are the dominate life form on earth, They 3,825,000,000 absorb green light for energy and reflect red and blue. 3,824,000,000 The ocean has a purple hue. 3,823,000,000 In the sea cyanobacteria are found floating on a layer beneath 3,822,000,000 the archaea. Cyanobacteria receive little green light and must 3,821,000,000 adapt to the red and blue light they receive for energy. 3,003,000,000 Small micro pieces of land sticking out above the water 3,002,000,000 came together to form a very small continent called Ur. 3,001,000,000 Small pieces of this continent can be found in current 3,000,000,000 day Africa, India, Australia and Antarctica. 2,718,000,000 The amount of dissolved nickel in the sea is declining. Nickel is a 2,717,000,000 key ingredient in an enzyme archaea need to make methane. Methane 2,716,000,000 production by archaea is declining. 510,000,000 A soft-bodied slug-like animal left trails as it slimmed along on land for 509,000,000 short periods moving from pond to pond. 422,000,000 First fish with jaws. 13,000,000 * impact 7,000,000 -Pleistocene- 6,000,000 A large asteroid explodes 3.6 mya giving rise to many of today's 5,000,000 small earth-crossing asteroids. 4,000,000 Humans and chimps diverged (Ardipithecus) 3,000,000 Lucy: bipedal, small brain, long arms, short legs. 2,000,000 Early man (stone tools) 1,000,000 * impact 0 All of human's written history has occurred in the most recent 10,000 years, or 1% of the time in this last million year increment.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Fri 10/09/15 04:42 PM Topic: Earth's Timeline In 1MY increments
I always find this angelfire page amazing. Not from what the author wrote abouty the times but the shear number of line entries to show the 4.5 Billion year history. I always thoght it would be impressive to actually print this out for some science class to post in the hallway at school. Make it 12 font for economy(Ink & Toner) reasons. Well, I'm not going to copy it into this post because it is already effective enough by viewing the link. You can read the authors notes but I have been assured by other's that his proclimations are not quite accurate - but the timeline remains impressive EARTHS HISTORY IN 1 MILLION YEAR INCREMENTS Yes, the last two are US http://www.angelfire.com/planet/check/earth.html 4,115,000,000 The Moon does not just go around the Earth. In reality, 4,114,000,000 the two objects orbit about a common gravitational midpoint, 4,113,000,000 called a barycenter. Centrifugal force causes water on the 4,112,000,000 far side to bulge out (pushed away) and the moons gravity 4,111,000,000 attracts water on the other side, causing another bulge in 4,110,000,000 the earth's oceans. There are two high tides at the same time 4,109,000,000 on opposite sides of the earth. At this time, an earth day and 4,108,000,000 night is 6 hours. Massive tides occur every 3 hours. 4,107,000,000 The earth is still being bombarded by asteroids and comets. Some 4,106,000,000 of the earth's surface was melted at the site of large impacts. 4,105,000,000 Most of the earth's water's remained cool enough to sustain 4,104,000,000 the microbes that arrived from space. Comets continue to bring 4,103,000,000 water to the earth and sulfur bacteria continue to make water.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Fri 10/09/15 04:31 PM Topic: Human Knowledge: Foundations and Limits
Oh I am just full of this stuff: LOL Human Knowledge: Foundations and Limits http://humanknowledge.net/ By Brian Holtz. This text, freely redistributable as html, PDF, eBook, or ascii, is memeware: if you find your copy useful, please propagate it. This site has not been updated since 2005 but it still has interesting information. Why is there something rather than nothing? Is the world an illusion? What exists beyond the human senses? What happens after death? Does divine or supernatural agency exist? Is the future already decided? What is the meaning of life? What is right and wrong? What beings should have what rights? What should one do? What is truth? consciousness? intelligence? What are the limits of intelligence? Of logic? Could a machine think? Does free will exist? How did the universe begin? How will it end? What laws govern it? Why are those laws as they are? How old is the universe? How big is it? What happened before the Big Bang? Does the universe have a center? An edge? What is the universe expanding into? What is life? How did life arise? What explains its complexity? How did mind and language arise? How does the brain work? Is there life and intelligence beyond earth? How do politics and economics work? What system is best? How and why do men and women behave differently? How and why have human civilizations developed differently? Will humanity suffer cultural decline? economic crash? tyranny? resource depletion? overpopulation? runaway pollution? pandemic? interplanetary impact? nuclear catastrophe? nanotech plague? Will humanity experience divine salvation? loss of faith? paranormal abilities? alien contact? time travel? warp travel? machine or human superintelligence? immortality? What will happen in the next: hundred years? thousand years? million years? billion years? trillion years? Some Excerpts: First - The Index Philosophy Metaphysics Ontology Theology Epistemology Philosophy of Mind Philosophy of Science Axiology Ethics Political Philosophy Virtue Philosophy Aesthetics Mathematics Logic Natural Science Physics Mechanics Wave Physics Thermodynamics Electromagnetics Quantum Physics Astronomy Cosmology Galactic Astronomy Stellar Astronomy Planetary Astronomy Chemistry Geoscience Biology Technology Social Science Economics Macroeconomics Microeconomics Political Science Sociology Psychology Linguistics History Futurology Impossible Advances Improbable Advances Academic Progress Technological Progress Industrial Progress Sociopolitical Progress Challenges Possible Catastrophes Timeline Human theories of mind include: Idealism is the thesis that reality consists ultimately of mind and ideas rather than matter. Dualism is the thesis that reality consists ultimately of both the material or physical and the ideal or mental. Substance Dualism is the thesis that the material and the ideal or mental constitute two different and fundamental kinds of objects. Property Dualism is the thesis that the material or physical and the ideal or mental constitute two different and fundamental kinds of properties. Property dualism can be a form of materialism if it says that mental properties are nevertheless fundamental material properties (analogous to mass or charge). Materialism is the thesis that reality consists ultimately of matter. Logical Behaviorism is the thesis that mental states can be fully and best explained in terms of behaviors and behavioral dispositions. Identity Theory is the thesis that mental states and brain states are identical. Functionalism is the thesis that mental states are functional states consisting of causal relations among components for processing information. Idealism is incorrect because its explanation of matter is either inadequate or unparsimonious. Dualism is incorrect because it unparsimoniously posits a realm of the ideal. Logical Behaviorism is unsatisfactory because behavioral explanations are too unwieldy. Identity Theory is incorrect because it holds that the essence of mind is its construction instead of its function. Where Earth is going Earth rotates on its axis once every 23.93 days (23h 56m 4.09s), for a speed of 0.5 km/sec at the equator. Earth's axis precesses every 25,800 years around a circle with a diameter of 47 degrees. Earth revolves around the Sun once every 365.24 days (365d 5h 48m 45.51s), at an average speed of 30 km/sec. The Sun is drifting amongst nearby stars towards 18.1h+30� at 20 km/sec. Sun and nearby stars revolve around the center of Milky Way once every 226 million years, at an average speed of 200 km/sec. The Milky Way and the Andromeda Galaxy are moving towards each other at 50 km/sec within the Local Group. The Local Group is pulled within the expanding Virgo Supercluster toward the central Virgo Cluster at 170 km/sec, reducing to 930 km/sec the speed at which the Virgo Cluster recedes due to the expansion of the universe. The Virgo Supercluster is falling at 600 km/sec (relative to the 3K cosmic background), toward the Great Attractor 150 Mly away at 10h-20�. 5.4. Social Science / Psychology Psychology: the study of mind. 1. Sensation. 2. Perception. 3. Learning. 4. Memory. 5. Cognition. 6. Motivation. 7. Cognitive Development. 8. Social Development. 9. Psychological Disorders. Governments vary by who wields power: Anarchy Democracy Republic Oligarchy Autocracy Monarchy Governments vary by how much power is wielded: liberal authoritarian totalitarian Governments vary by how their power is justified: democracy theocracy aristocracy tyranny Man-made Catastrophes Nuclear Catastrophe. Nuclear power could result in three kinds of catastrophe: radioactive pollution, limited nuclear bombing, and general nuclear war. Accidental or deliberate radioactive pollution could kill tens or hundreds of thousands, but is quite unlikely to happen. Regional nuclear conflict in the Middle East or the Indian subcontinent could kill several million. Nuclear terrorism against Washington D.C. or New York City could kill more than a million and set back human progress by up to a decade. General nuclear war would kill hundreds of millions and could trigger a nuclear winter that might starve hundreds of millions more. While such a worst case would set back human progress by one or two centuries, existing nuclear arsenals could neither extinct humanity nor end human civilization. Cultural Decline. Some humans fear that vice, crime, and corruption indicate ongoing social decline or impending collapse. Other humans fear that problems of class division, pollution, education, and infrastructure indicate economic decline or impending collapse. These fears are perennial and unfounded. Past examples of the drastic decline or collapse of a culture or civilization have almost always been due to environmental change, or infection or invasion by outside humans. But after the advent of continental steam locomotion in the mid-1800s, no society remains unexposed to the infections of the others. Similarly, all societies have been made part of a single global human civilization which is not subject to invasion by outside humans. Environmental change indeed poses a set of challenges, but they seem to represent constraints on growth rather than seeds of collapse. Cultural stagnation is another possible (but milder) kind of potential catastrophe. As in Ming China, Middle Ages Europe, or the Soviet Bloc, stagnation can result if a static ideology takes hold and suppresses dissent. Such a development seems unlikely, given the intellectual freedom and communication technology of the modern world. Ideologies with totalitarian potential include fideist religions, communism, and ecological primitivism. Bioterrorism. Could a pathogen be genetically designed to be virulent enough to extinct humanity? A pathogen would have to be designed to spread easily from person to person, persist in the environment, resist antibiotics and immune responses, and cause almost 100% mortality. Designing for long latency (e.g. months) might be necessary to ensure wide distribution, but no length may be enough to infect every last human. Robot Aggression. Some humans fear that the combination of robotics and artificial intelligence will in effect create a new dominant species that will not tolerate human control or even resource competition. These fears are misplaced. Artificial intelligence will be developed gradually by about 2200, and will not evolve runaway super-intelligence. Even when AI is integrated with artifactual life by the early 2200s, the time and energy constraints on artifactual persons will render them no more capable of global domination than any particular variety of humans (i.e. natural persons). Similarly, humanity's first Von Neumann probes will be incapable of overwhelming Earth's defenses even if they tried. To be truly dangerous, VN probes would have to be of a species with both true intelligence and a significant military advantage over humanity. Such a species would be unlikely to engage in alien aggression. Nanoplague. Self-replicating nanotechnology could in theory become a cancer to the Earth's biosphere, replacing all ribonucleic life with nanotech life. The primary limit on the expansion of such nanotech life would, as for all life, be the availability of usable energy and material. Since any organic material would presumably be usable, the primary limit on how nanocancer could consume organic life would be the availability of usable energy. Fossil fuels are not sufficiently omnipresent, and fusion is not sufficiently portable, so nanocancer would, like ribonucleic microorganisms, have to feed on sunlight or organic tissues. Ribonucleic photosynthesis captures a maximum of about 10% of incident solar energy, while nanocancer should be able to capture at least 50%. The only way to stop nanocancer would be to cut off its access to energy and material or interfere with its mechanisms for using them. I'm not trying to imply this is correct but it is an interesting read and good for at least a few hours of entertainment.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Fri 10/09/15 03:55 PM Topic: Nanotechnology ~ Engines of Creation Edited by Tomishereagain on Fri 10/09/15 03:56 PM
There is another nanotech called Utility Fog. Utility Fog holds the same promise of making something out of apparently nothing. Imagine employing Smart Utility Fog in a room for emmersive 3d gaming. http://www.nanotech-now.com/utility-fog.htm Here's a short list of the powers you'd have or appear to have if embedded in fog: Creation--causing objects to appear and disappear on command. Levitation--causing objects to hover and fly around. Manipulation--causing forces (squeezing, hitting, pulling) on objects (real ones) at a distance. Teleportation--nearly any combination of telepresence and virtual reality between fog-filled locations This is real science and it is amazing!

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Fri 10/09/15 03:51 PM Topic: Nanotechnology ~ Engines of Creation
Nanotechnology is a very real science in its infancy right now. It promises many benefits to mankind and our planet yet harbors terrible potential for disaster. If you like to read and can follow the jargon Eric Drexler wrote a concept outline about nanotechnology called Engines of Creation. I read the first few chapters and it hooked me and I must say it is such an uplifting and inspired world he describes it makes me want for the future. Here is some info: There are a few different cover styles to be had, That is just one. Luckily there is a full text copy online that you can read at your leisure or download for later. I read it online. http://e-drexler.com/d/06/00/EOC/EOC_Table_of_Contents.html I have but have not read the sequel proposition entitled Engines of Creation 2.0 which is also available online. http://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwjX_dbOIwbSYjdiNGE5NjAtOTNkMy00NWM1LThmZTktMmQ2ODA5Y2RlODM4/edit Let me point out some quotes from the first book so you can get a feel of how Dr Drexler writes and get a gist of what the book is about. First: The Index Table of Contents COVER PAGE & links to non-English versions FOREWORD - by Marvin Minsky ACKNOWLEDGMENTS PART ONE - THE FOUNDATIONS OF FORESIGHT 1 - Engines of Construction 2 - The Principles of Change 3 - Predicting and Projecting PART TWO - PROFILES OF THE POSSIBLE 4 - Engines of Abundance 5 - Thinking Machines 6 - The World Beyond Earth 7 - Engines of Healing 8 - Long Life in an Open World 9 - A Door to the Future 10 - The Limits to Growth PART THREE - DANGERS AND HOPES 11 - Engines of Destruction 12 - Strategies and Survival 13 - Finding the Facts 14 - The Network of Knowledge 15 - Worlds Enough, and Time AFTERWORD GLOSSARY NOTES AND REFERENCES ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PART ONE - THE FOUNDATIONS OF FORESIGHT 1 - Engines of Construction ENGINES OF CONSTRUCTION (Chapter 1) Two Styles Of Technology Molecular Technology Today Existing Protein Machines Designing With Protein Second-Generation Nanotechnology Universal Assemblers Nailing Down Conclusions Nanocomputers Disassemblers The World Made New References for Chapter 1 Microcircuits have parts measured in micrometers - that is, in millionths of a meter - but molecules are measured in nanometers (a thousand times smaller). We can use the terms "nanotechnology" and "molecular technology" interchangeably to describe the new style of technology. The engineers of the new technology will build both nanocircuits and nanomachines. Genetic engineers have now programmed bacteria to make proteins ranging from human growth hormone to rennin, an enzyme used in making cheese. Protein engineers will not need nanoarms and nanohands to assemble complex nanomachines. Still, tiny manipulators will be useful and they will be built. Just as today's engineers build machinery as complex as player pianos and robot arms from ordinary motors, bearings, and moving parts, so tomorrow's biochemists will be able to use protein molecules as motors, bearings, and moving parts to build robot arms which will themselves be able to handle individual molecules. This is already being done! Universal Assemblers These second-generation nanomachines - built of more than just proteins - will do all that proteins can do, and more. In particular, some will serve as improved devices for assembling molecular structures. Able to tolerate acid or vacuum, freezing or baking, depending on design, enzyme-like second-generation machines will be able to use as "tools" almost any of the reactive molecules used by chemists - but they will wield them with the precision of programmed machines. They will be able to bond atoms together in virtually any stable pattern, adding a few at a time to the surface of a workpiece until a complex structure is complete. Think of such nanomachines as assemblers. Because assemblers will let us place atoms in almost any reasonable arrangement (as discussed in the Notes), they will let us build almost anything that the laws of nature allow to exist. In particular, they will let us build almost anything we can design - including more assemblers. The consequences of this will be profound, because our crude tools have let us explore only a small part of the range of possibilities that natural law permits. Assemblers will open a world of new technologies. Advances in the technologies of medicine, space, computation, and production - and warfare - all depend on our ability to arrange atoms. With assemblers, we will be able to remake our world or destroy it. So at this point it seems wise to step back and look at the prospect as clearly as we can, so we can be sure that assemblers and nanotechnology are not a mere futurological mirage. This is where it gets really good. Its difficult to quantify a single quote or two to show you how cool this is. Nanocomputers Assemblers will bring one breakthrough of obvious and basic importance: engineers will use them to shrink the size and cost of computer circuits and speed their operation by enormous factors. A computer that fits on the head of a pin that is more powerful than your desktop computer? Hmm, how small will a cell phone be? Disassemblers Molecular computers will control molecular assemblers, providing the swift flow of instructions needed to direct the placement of vast numbers of atoms. Nanocomputers with molecular memory devices will also store data generated by a process that is the opposite of assembly. Assemblers will help engineers synthesize things; their relatives, disassemblers, will help scientists and engineers analyze things. The case for assemblers rests on the ability of enzymes and chemical reactions to form bonds, and of machines to control the process. The case for disassemblers rests on the ability of enzymes and chemical reactions to break bonds, and of machines to control the process. Enzymes, acids, oxidizers, alkali metals, ions, and reactive groups of atoms called free radicals - all can break bonds and remove groups of atoms. Because nothing is absolutely immune to corrosion, it seems that molecular tools will be able to take anything apart, a few atoms at a time. What is more, a nanomachine could (at need or convenience) apply mechanical force as well, in effect prying groups of atoms free. A nanomachine able to do this, while recording what it removes layer by layer, is a disassembler. Assemblers, disassemblers, and nanocomputers will work together. For example, a nanocomputer system will be able to direct the disassembly of an object, record its structure, and then direct the assembly of perfect copies, And this gives some hint of the power of nanotechnology. Now let me jump you to some very interesting possibilities... Machines able to grasp and position individual atoms will be able to build almost anything by bonding the right atoms together in the right patterns Okay, things are created from atoms. Nanotech disassembles the item and reassembles the item needed atom by atom. Air has atoms, dirt has atoms, anthing with atoms is now a resource. Imagine this approach being used to "grow" a large rocket engine, working inside a vat in an industrial plant. ... At the center of the base plate, deep in the swirling, assembler-laden fluid, sits a "seed." It contains a nanocomputer with stored engine plans, and its surface sports patches to which assemblers stick. ... Where great strength is needed, the assemblers set to work constructing rods of interlocked fibers of carbon, in its diamond form. ... Its creation has required less than a day and almost no human attention. ... What is the engine like? Rather than being a massive piece of welded and bolted metal, it is a seamless thing, gemlike. One more quote: This one is about the space suit - I think its pretty cool so I will quote the whole description. Imagine that you are aboard a space station, spun to simulate Earth's normal gravity. After instruction, you have been given a suit to try out: there it hangs on the wall, a gray, rubbery-looking thing with a transparent helmet. You take it down, heft its substantial weight, strip, and step in through the open seam on the front. The suit feels softer than the softest rubber, but has a slick inner surface. It slips on easily and the seam seals at a touch. It provides a skintight covering like a thin leather glove around your fingers, thickening as it runs up your arm to become as thick as your hand in the region around your torso. Behind your shoulders, scarcely noticeable, is a small backpack. Around your head, almost invisible, is the helmet. Below your neck the suits inner surface hugs your skin with a light, uniform touch that soon becomes almost imperceptible. You stand up and walk around, experimenting. You bounce on your toes and feel no extra weight from the suit. You bend and stretch and feel no restraint, no wrinkling, no pressure points. When you rub your fingers together they feel sensitive, as if bare - but somehow slightly thicker. As you breathe, the air tastes clean and fresh. In fact, you feel that you could forget that you are wearing a suit at all. What is more, you feel just as comfortable when you step out into the vacuum of space. The suit manages to do all this and more by means of complex activity within a structure having a texture almost as intricate as that of living tissue. A glove finger a millimeter thick has room for a thousand micron-thick layers of active nanomachinery and nanoelectronics. A fingertip-sized patch has room for a billion mechanical nanocomputers, with 99.9 percent of the volume left over for other components. In particular, this leaves room for an active structure. The middle layer of the suit material holds a three-dimensional weave of diamond-based fibers acting much like artificial muscle, but able to push as well as pull (as discussed in the Notes). These fibers take up much of the volume and make the suit material as strong as steel. Powered by microscopic electric motors and controlled by nanocomputers, they give the suit material its supple strength, making it stretch, contract, and bend as needed. When the suit felt soft earlier, this was because it had been programmed to act soft. The suit has no difficulty holding its shape in a vacuum; it has strength enough to avoid blowing up like a balloon. Likewise, it has no difficulty supporting its own weight and moving to match your motions, quickly, smoothly, and without resistance. This is one reason why it almost seems not to be there at all. Your fingers feel almost bare because you feel the texture of what you touch. This happens because pressure sensors cover the suit's surface and active structure covers its lining: the glove feels the shape of whatever you touch - and the detailed pattern of pressure it exerts - and transmits the same texture pattern to your skin. It also reverses the process, transmitting to the outside the detailed pattern of forces exerted by your skin on the inside of the glove. Thus the glove pretends that it isn't there, and your skin feels almost bare. The suit has the strength of steel and the flexibility of your own body. If you reset the suit's controls, the suit continues to match your motions, but with a difference. Instead of simply transmitting the forces you exert, it amplifies them by a factor of ten. Likewise, when something brushes against you, the suit now transmits only a tenth of the force to the inside. You are now ready for a wrestling match with a gorilla. The fresh air you breathe may not seem surprising; the backpack includes a supply of air and other consumables. Yet after a few days outside in the sunlight, your air will not run out: like a plant, the suit absorbs sunlight and the carbon dioxide you exhale, producing fresh oxygen. Also like a plant (or a whole ecosystem), it breaks down other wastes into simple molecules and reassembles them into the molecular patterns of fresh, wholesome food. In fact, the suit will keep you comfortable, breathing, and well fed almost anywhere in the inner solar system. What is more, the suit is durable. It can tolerate the failure of numerous nanomachines because it has so many others to take over the load. The space between the active fibers leaves room enough for assemblers and disassemblers to move about and repair damaged devices. The suit repairs itself as fast as it wears out. Within the bounds of the possible, the suit could have many other features. A speck of material smaller than a pinhead could hold the text of every book ever published, for display on a fold-out screen. Another speck could be a "seed" containing the blueprints for a range of devices greater than the total the human race has yet built, along with replicating assemblers able to make any or all of them. What is more, fast technical AI systems like those described in the last chapter could design the suit in a morning and have it built by afternoon.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Fri 10/09/15 02:26 PM Topic: God or Religion?
I believe in God but I don't believe in Religion. I refer to God as HIM for simplicity, He has no manifestation of Himself. He is just GOD. (Christianity) Religion teaches that God is a Jealous God and there are other Gods but He is the Supreme God. I know that there is only one God. All other references to Gods are of beings that by their limitations cannot be God. God is not Jealous, He doesn't Fear, He has no need to be deemed Supreme because He possesses no Vanity. God is baseline. Everything that exists is of God, part of God. Even the so-called other gods are of God. Religion teaches us to petition with Prayer. Not only do you need to do it right, you need to pray often and in masses. "I will pray for you everyday." "Let us pray for the children." "On my knees with hands held high I pray." I was taught that God know your intentions, is all-seeing and almighty. If that is so, would it not be best to say one prayer by one person? Is it to be assumed that God can't hear your prayers? That He doesn't quite understand your needs? That your prayers need amplification? Is it to be assumed that God will not answer your prayers because He finds you unworthy? Of the ones you deem answered, do you think it was the nagging or the volume of the prayers that made them come to pass? Religion will tell you that you need to pray a certain way, at a certain time with a certain frequency. Is that a requirement of God or of the religion? Religion says to have Faith. When you pray, do you have faith that God hears your prayer? If you do, there is no need to repeat the prayer, is there? After a prayer, can you have faith that God has answered? Do you have faith that God might know more about the subject than you do? Millions of people prayed for the souls on the Twin Towers when the planes struck. Did the towers fall because not enough people prayed hard enough? Did God have 'other' plans for those that perished? or was it physics? Too often I see things in Religion that coutermand their own teachings. Religions are flawed, badly flawed. God cannot be flawed because everything is God. God is also Chaos. God is also Chance. God is also Science. God is also Life. God granted us free will. I choose to follow His lead. How can I know His will over my own? Since I am of God His will is already in me. I fully understand that my place on Earth is not for evil. I also fully understand that others may be on Earth for evil. Who am I to question God's motives? My beliefs don't fit into a religion. There are some of you that struggle to make yours fit into your religion. There are still more that have no issue with religion. Its all good as long as you are at peace inside. You can believe what you want but when I believe differently than you do not persecute me on your beliefs. If infidels were an abomination of God why would he fill the world with them? Are we implying that God doesn't know what He is doing? Are we to assume that we have to clean up his mess in order for us to be in Grace? Consider that each of us may be a part of God exploring and learning more about himself. His imagination unrestrained from his own perception. He made us to be something different, now he watches us to see what we will do, what we will dream, what we fear, what we love and how we face the reality of being. So I say: Is it God or Religion They are not the same thing.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Fri 10/09/15 01:35 PM Topic: My Movie Collection - Always Growing
Well, I guess which thread to come to when looking for films to add to my growing collection of 1,500 movies. Well done man! One big one I am missing is the film 2012, I love that movie, but its difficult looking for a torrent, because when I search 2012, every movie that came out that years pops up haha! I don't do torrents. http://www.movie4k.to/n-2012-watch-movie-5168588.html http://www.watchfreemovies.ch/watch-movies/2009/watch-2012-5276/ Try your torrent search as "2012-(2009)" Or a torrent search of "Roland Emmerich film" Or an actor search. To each their own. Haha. Torrents have worked easier for me, Don't always have an internet Connection for one, for two im always coming and going. So if I download, I know I have them. when moneys tight and I have to sacrifice Internet for other bills or even long car trips, well I always have my movies haha.. any way after some patience I was finally able to find and add 2012 to my collection, I had to search 2012 (2009) still had to sift through some films from both those years, but eventually got it. Yeah, When I had money issues (translated=wife) I started collecting movies so I had something to watch when the cable or internet went out. I tried doing torrents a long time ago but I found too much malware in my computer so now I do streaming sites in flash or divx but I download them. After I download the movie I zip it up and put it on an external drive to both save space and for archiving. To each his own. If torrents work for you so be it. Glad you found the movie, I can upload any of my zipped movies to my google cloud and make it available for download if you need one I have. Part of the copyright law is that I can't charge anything, claim ownership or make profit from someone elses stuff. But I can give it away. Possession of copyright stuff is negated for educational purposes. I have these movies because I am gathering data on a thesis about the art of movie making and these are my examples. I haven't started the paper yet, still gathering data. I figure I will need to gather data until the last movie is made so my thesis can be complete.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Fri 10/09/15 01:25 PM Topic: Something To Read
I just wrote some more stuff: The Laddership The object appeared one clear July evening. A huge construct that filled the night sky from horizon to horizon. For all intents and purposes it looked like a giant aluminum ladder stretched across the sky behind the Moon. Scientists reported that it was a full 1 million miles beyond our Moon. Its length was reported as being 12 million miles long, 3 million miles wide and of very little mass. The Earth launched a probe to gather more information but as soon as the probe passed the Moon it was destroyed by some unseen, undetected force. Every probe after that met with the same fate. Gazing up at our new companion we could see the Moon passing in front of this object with extreme clarity. We could see the shadow of the Moon and track it rung by rung. The object never moved, never drifted but stayed in an exact position relative to our planet. For 17 years it never wavered, opened, released anything or shifted its position. Then it just winked out of existence without fanfare. Probes were sent to the area but found nothing. Human life on this planet has never been the same after that Laddership appeared. SETI was refunded and there was a huge surge of support for space exploration. New religions surfaced, old religions died out. There was speculation all over the planet as to the nature of this object. Since it appeared and disappeared with no signs of propulsion, science pushed into new areas. Scans were disseminated to look for radiation signals or spectral mass analysis to determine if we could locate its point of origin but nothing was revealed. After a few years of debate our top minds declared the 5 scenarios and set forth to explore them. 1. The object was some type of projection 2. The object had some type of stealth technology 3. The object warped/worm-holed 4. The object was trans-dimensional 5. Something of unknown technology ----------------------------------------- The Communicant So, there I was sitting on the back of my truck one summer evening on the beach enjoying a beer and the beautiful starry sky. Out in the distance I saw a depression in the surf and it was coming towards me. It looked like a beach ball was being pushed towards me rather quickly but there was no ball? When the depression hit the beach sand it disappeared and I felt a pressure on my face. My eyes focused to a very tiny metallic object floating right in front of my nose. It just hovered there for a few seconds until it sped to the side of my head. I felt a pressure on my eardrum and suddenly I heard a clicking, whiling whizzing noise inside my head. I swatted at my ear but the sound remained. After about 5 minutes of this noise I heard a tinny voice echo in my brain. "This is your final warning" it started. "You are in violation of the sector space code. Cease and desist all space-bound maneuvers immediately or we will be forced to take appropriate action." It continued. Well, I threw down my beer and shook my head. Afraid that I was losing my mind the voice continued. "You will take us to..." and an image popped into my mind. It was Cape Canaveral, The launch pads. "We will communicate with your commander." it continued to say. Well, I knew that NASA was just a few miles from this beach but how would I ever convince anyone to let me enter the site? For that matter, Why am I even considering this? I got in my truck thinking I need a shower and some sleep, boy is this gunna be a bad hangover. As I looked down at my key I saw the key ring move slightly and it turned by itself. My truck started up by itself?! When I pulled onto the beach highway my truck went towards NASA even tho I lived in the opposite direction. I thought I was turning towards home but my arms did the opposite? Oh, felgercarb! This is going to be one helluva hangover! My truck auto-drove itself thru me until I reached the gate for NASA Headquarters. At the gate I was confronted by the guard asking for my pass and ID. I heard myself speaking but I couldn't understand the meaning of what I was saying. I recall a large string of numbers and letters and a few sounds that I had no idea I could utter. The guard returned to his shack and I saw him pick up a phone. A few minutes later the barricade lifted and my truck continued its coarse. It came to rest at the Administration building where three very serious white coats and two armed guards met me as I exited my truck. I was escorted into a room that was covered in mirrors with a projector thingy in the center. It looked like something out of a planetarium. I heard a voice on the speakers that stated they were ready and in my reflection I saw my eyes light up brilliantly. There was no pain or discomfort and I could still see clearly as the room transformed into a vista of stars. In the center mass of the star field I saw a greenish line faintly glowing at first, within this irregular circle of green there were perhaps 10,000 or so stars. The vista advanced on the one side of the green perimeter towards a single jagged edge. Just outside the edge of the green line I saw a grouping of 20 or so stars. The view advance on those in particular the stars in the center of the grouping. As the view advanced, only one star became visible and it had hundreds of small points of light around it. The view advanced closer to one small point and I started to recognize the Earth and the Moon. The view paused just over the Earth. Brilliant red dots appeared all over the globe as it rotated. On each of the mirrors I noticed places with technology being shown from elevation. One of those pictures was of This NASA installation. I heard a chirping and buzzing noise in my infected ear and the room's loudspeakers came to life. That same tinny voice I hear in my head was now on the loudspeakers blasting number & letter strings and some kind of legal code. I remember sensing it saying. "You have one star day to comply". Well, everyone knows that our sun rotates once every 27 days. We have 27 days to comply with what? On the mirrors around me the view started moving. It crashed towards the ground at incredible speed and continued to move not in distance but in scale. On one mirror I saw a spider grow to huge proportions and on that spiders leg hair there was a tiny speck of metallic sheen that got larger and larger. The speck turned into a dot then a structure started to grow in view. Each of the mirrors depicted the same type of structure but at that site. Soon the view was of a craft of some type. The mirror views stopped advancing and each one shown a craft similar to all the others. Suddenly the entire room went white. The flash blinded me and as my sight started to slowly recover I saw a planet of unknown origin. It was green with splotches of blue and grey dotting its entirety. Across the room, a magnified view of one of these tiny craft was shown. It pulsed once and a yellow wave of energy traveled from it to the planet in a matter of seconds. When the yellow wave met the planet it passed through the planet effortlessly breaking the planet into dust. That's when I passed out... --------------------------------------------- Alien Chocolate Back when ET phoned home it wasn't the Reese's Pieces that became the big hit in the galaxy, It was the Chocolate. When he left he managed to return with a sample that was studied and remanufactured. A huge and lucrative business was created in this galaxy all based on our confection. Well, I happened to get a sample of the Alien Chocolate and let me tell you. It looks like chocolate, It smells like chocolate but the taste is just terrible. Hopefully no alien race will taste real chocolate because if they do we will be invaded and robbed. Keep a close eye on your chocolate. If you see some not under guard, buy it and hide it. I'm serious, Don't mess around with this. The only sure way to remove the threat is to eat all chocolate as soon as you find it. Do your part to help Save the Planet from Alien Invasion. This is a public service announcement.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Thu 10/08/15 10:14 PM Topic: There is no God?
Tom, it is very wordy and somewhat high-falluting. What is it that you are really trying to say? God, No God its all a perception based on your life experiences. I included the Nephilism quotes because there are people that understand this. I am not quite that convinced. Recently (the last few years) I have been exploring my delusional thinking. It is probably because my impression of what Love is supposed to be seems to be a delusion. Growing up and living most of my life as a Christian, I had problems understanding why my God would do these things to me. I know my God exists because my Faith makes Him exist. I've done a lot of thinking and soul-searching to realize that most people are like I was. Delusional by repetition. I now recognize people's delusions as well as my own. It has set me free. I have no drama, no stress and no trepidation. For the first time in my life I feel completely calm. It wasn't religion that brought me here. Religion had me in turmoil. It wasn't love. Love had me dumbfounded. It was seeing the cold true reality of my life and the world around me that gave me the clarity I needed. When I die, the energy that comprises my soul will be reunited with the energy of the Universe. That energy will give birth to new things and that cycle will last forever. Essentially, I will be returned to my God. Until that time I embrace this mortal coil and accept this reality. Life is just life.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Thu 10/08/15 10:00 PM Topic: There is no God?
Here is an excerpt from a dissussion I had at another site awhile back: Psychological Projection is the psychological phenomenon where someone denies some aspect of their behavior or attitudes and assumes instead that others are doing or thinking so. It is usually seen as the externalisation of a person's negative traits, placing blame on an outside force such as the environment, a government, a society or other people. My Reply: LOL, I call that delusion. People, in general, can't handle reality. The whole concept of ownership and wealth is a delusion. The rights that so many fight and die to protect is but another delusion. Even religions are a delusion. Reality shows that man controls man with delusions that get accepted as reality. It's a big mind game to allow one person to have power over another. Some of society's delusions are beneficial to our species. It doesn't make them any less delusional. Just accepted. I see it like this. Way back when, these two dudes were looking at a rock that had a point. They both grabbed for it at the same time. They both wanted it cause it was cool looking. Ownership came to man. Well, one dude was stronger than the other and got ownership of that cool looking rock. That gave him power over the other dude. Greed was born when the dude without the rock flipped out cause he didn't get it. The dude without the rock wondered away pist off that he didn't have it. He tripped through his tears and fell onto another cool looking rock that had a point but also had colors. He scarfed it up right away because he now knew what greed was. He showed the new cooler looking rock to the other dude and that introduced jealousy. The first dude went looking for more cool looking rocks and exploration was founded. He found a whole bunch of those cool looking rocks and collected them and showed them off. Wealth was born. The dude with only one rock was still happier with his single really cool rock so the other dude offered to trade two of his cool rocks for his one really cool rock. Value and commerce was created. Other dudes happened upon the first two and saw them rejoicing in the rocks and wanted them too. The first two figured that since they had no rocks that perhaps the others might scratch them if they offered them a rock. Work was born. Now everyone had rocks and they were happy but there were some that had really cool rocks and some had just cool rocks. The ones with really cool rocks decided to band together and society was introduced. The ones with just cool rocks also decided to band together too but they figured that since there were more of them than the really cool rock guys that they must be special. So they became convinced that the ground liked them more than the other guys. They set out to spread the word of their fame from the ground to everyone they met. Religion took shape. Fast forward and you have dudes competing for rocks, fighting over religions and gathering rocks. The one thing that they all missed is that they are just rocks. Rocks do what rocks are meant to do. Rocks don't care, get jealous, fight or cry. They are just rocks.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Thu 10/08/15 09:33 PM Topic: There is no God?
Love and Nihilism: A Parallelism Primer As social animals, we get our information from others. This includes morality, or a group behavior code based on a sense of value and purpose inherent to humanity. In contrast, nihilism denies value and purpose and in turn, denies any special role to humanity. Like emotions, value and purpose are human judgments which do not exist in the outside world. By denying value and purpose, nihilism forces us see physical reality as a mechanical process in which our part is small. When we are walking in winter, falling snow appears to be coming toward us, but in reality we are moving forward as it falls. Where morality deals with how things appear to us, nihilism addresses reality as a design and encourages us to learn how to adapt to it. Morality is withdrawl from natural selection; nihilism embraces it, and describes the world as a complex machine. I. NIHILISM We frequently talk about "human nature." It's more sensible to talk about the challenges facing any animal with higher intelligence. Any smart animal will face the same challenges using roughly the same methods. While having a big brain is an asset, it is also a liability, in that if a big brain has to re-analyze its surroundings, it will move very slowly. Instead, big brained animals analyze once, create a mental "map" of their world, and update as needed. In theory, we update our maps when new data comes about. But if this data is incorrect, our knowledge of the world gets corrupted. We act expecting certain outcomes and are stunned when things do not go as planned. What corrupts our minds is when we reverse the causal process of understanding. Instead of looking to the world, making conclusions and updating our maps, we update our maps based on what we wish were happening -- or what others tell us. If we withdraw into our own maps, and change those instead of reality, we can no longer predict reality. This is a problem because we are responsible for our fate. If we screw it up, no one else is going to bail us out. CORRUPTION Values and purpose are human inventions designed to be shared between us. Like language, values and purpose only work if we all know and agree on what they mean. They are easily manipulated by changing meaning without changing the symbol for it. The world around us is consistent and non-judgmental. It functions and leaves thinking to us. If we do not make sense of it, the response will be bad. If we adapt to it, the response will be good. Individuals using goodwill as a cover story have re-defined our values and purpose. They do this to benefit themselves, but as a result, corrupt the realistic outlook of society around them. This process takes centuries to fully show itself. We cannot see evidence of our corruption in a single fact, but can measure it from multiple points of view and find what they have in common, like we triangulate to find radio signals. Our measurements are: * Ecocide. Our inability to constrain our numbers and our desires has resulted in human expansion which eliminates natural habitats, and both pollutes the environment and takes resources from it beyond what it can replenish. * Boredom. Society and jobs cater to the lowest common denominator, and so lapse into a utilitarian modernism that produces ugly architecture, mind-numbingly micromanaged tasks, disorder and dysfunction. * Selfishness. A culture based on individual desires makes it easy to manipulate one another, but produces no great art, and leaves us with commerce and political dogma that constrain not liberate us. * Neurosis. Value and purpose, when used to convince others that we are altruistic, good people, create a social reality that steadily drifts farther from the many factors of reality into a single, social or commercial factor. Our minds split between social reality and physical reality. * Depression. We compensate for a failing civilization through surrogate activities. These are ineffectual symbolic acts that we do not expect to make change, but they "uplift" us for a few moments so we feel better about ourselves. 2400 years ago Socrates recognized that individuals prefer how things appear -- or can be made to appear -- to their intelligible form, which requires knowledge of their context and consequences. Appearance is tangible and public. Civilizations have a life cycle from birth to death. Each stage in this cycle has a distinct philosophy and psychology which corresponds to the type of government people in that time believes is best. These united patterns are "designs." From the day a civilization is founded, it drifts farther from reality and further into the world of appearance. People manipulate each other to get ahead, and the side effect is a corrupted image of reality. People use wishful thinking to manipulate each other. Wishful thinking pretends that humans are omniscient and not part of nature. It avoids all mention of death, conflict, unequal abilities or eventually, reality itself. Nihilism can restart the life cycle by removing wishful thinking. Seeing reality more accurately changes our assumptions, and from that like a row of falling dominoes our institutions and values change to be more realistic. II. MODERNISM The opposite of nihilism is modernism, which is our name for the later stages of a civilization if it also has advanced technology. Modernism is defined by the use of linear logic and the belief in technological progress overcoming nature. The last thousand years of Western civilization have been defined by a steadily-increasing modernism, and the previous thousand were expended on conflict allowing that modernism to happen. RATIONALISM The philosophy that came to be called rationalism emerged from our use of tools. Where previously we had to seek out a situation that matched our needs, now we needed only a single factor: the tool. For example, instead of finding a location where fruit trees grew, one hauled out the plough and made a field, then planted the trees and later harvested the fruit. When someone does a new task for the first time, they work from cause to effect, and figure out how the process works. Another person seeing them sees the result first, and only later figures out the steps involved -- or uses a tool instead. This linear logic, that lets us work backward from desired result through our tools, convinced us that we had conquered nature, which we saw as an external thing independent of us. It also simplified our thought process. Modernism would not exist without linear logic. Linear logic is the idea that in a complex situation, a single factor can be extracted and manipulated, achieving a desired result. All other factors become ignored details. Instead of killing a creature for food, and taking the skin for clothing, we would kill a creature for its skin -- and write the rest off as details. EXTERNALIZATION This thought process became an underlying assumption of all of our logic. In politics, we assumed that whatever most people thought was good was right. In economics, whatever made profit. In social situations, whatever was popular. More importantly, we externalized ourselves by making ourselves dependent on what others agreed was the truth. This meant that appearance took precedence over reality, because if enough people were fooled, others would act as if it were truth. In every situation, linear logic was used to extract an "essence" or "truth," and all other factors are denied as details. This is convenient since some people can read those details and see imminent disaster others cannot, causing conflict. SOCIALIZATION As part of the process of specialization of labor, we must make others understand why our needs are important, so they can help us. In order to convince them, we use externalized social pressures to make ourselves look good. Rationalism tells us to pick a single factor with which to measure a situation. In social situations, we choose self-preservation, and in order to achieve it for ourselves, we demand it for all people equally. We demand the same rights for others just as ourselves because of the specialization of labor. When you must convince others that you ought to be helped, you need to first show them that you have goodwill toward them -- without judging them. The best way to do this is to suggest that the human form, and not the unique abilities of the human, makes this person entitled to being treated well. This way, no matter what they think of you, they will feel good for helping you. We achieve this false goodwill through altruism, or the belief in helping all others universally and without judgment. We call this an absolute context, because it is the rationalistic single factor we choose in all situations. In this, we have applied our backward logic to getting ahead in life: we must convince others through appearance that we are good, and that like a tool will achieve the results we desire. We convince others by pretending wishful thinking is reality: * Equality of all humans * Ability for anyone to do whatever they want * Peace, nonviolence, tolerance are good * Freedom from criticism on the basis of reality In a rationalistic outlook, if social instability is bad, then social stability must be achieved -- and we do not consider any secondary consequences. As a result, we make aggressive behavior taboo and reward those who avoid conflict. To avoid conflict, we must compromise any idea where others will object to it. We ignore the consequences of our actions and focus instead of showing goodwill, which eliminates conflict, but causes us to compromise. Since these compromises must avoid that which will cause conflict to any one person, we create a lowest common denominator response to reality of the inoffensive, benevolent-sounding, and easy, and ignore reality. INDIVIDUALISM Since linear logic convinces us to pick one factor of many in our thinking, when approaching the question of life itself we pick a single factor: ourselves. In order to make ourselves more powerful, we act so we appear altruistic, but we also act to appear independent and unique so we attract others to our personalities. This causes us to act entirely through social thinking. Through this method, individualism creates a "social reality" or a conspiracy between people to manage reality with social factors. Since we need others, thanks to specialization of labor, we use this more than reality itself. This has two effects: first, we become neurotic because we see reality in the details but are encouraged to ignore it; second, since social reality ignores secondary effects, disorder spreads and the cost is passed on to us. This in turn encourages us to try to break away from social obligation, since we feel it is parasitic to us, and so we break away using more individualism. This does not work, so we turn to our leaders and ask for more control. Control is the external imposition of what some people agree is true. Unlike an organic order, or one arriving from agreement and cooperation among people, it requires force and small rewards to function. In this way, we can see how individualism leads to disorder which requires more control, in a process and cycle that gains intensity over time, causing civilization to collapse. UTILITARIANISM The public display of altruism became a powerful tool. It could get you elected, or make others follow you as a leader, or make them work for less money. It could get you ahead at the expense of others. Civilization through its wealth makes it possible for us to be far enough removed from nature that we pretend there is no reality except human reality. We withdraw, and we do so in a group which defends itself against critique. When illusion is rewarded and realistic ideas punished, the bad guys always win. The crowds, accustomed to being manipulated, run between one abuser and another, always believing the promises but then forgetting conveniently so the lie is not revealed. This triumph of unreality brings consequences but because it is anti-social to mention them, those who bring them up are ostracized and kept out of jobs, relationships, friendships and public favor. The dogma overrides reality. Since the dogma reaches deeply, to the level of our assumptions, children grow up brainwashed in this ideal and are afraid to consider any other possibilities. Those who tell the truth become "bad" and the lies become "good." At this point, the tail wags the dog. We no longer do things because they are realistic actions. We do them to make ourselves look good, so that we can leverage services out of others with our perceived altruism. This is how civilization destroys itself. Modernism is this self-destruction process, couched as "freedom" and "justice," but really a slow decay while those few cynical enough to know it's a lie and still lie make record profits. Because the civilization is based on the idea of individualism, or each person being able to do whatever they think is right, it soon becomes utilitarian. "What most people think is best is best" defines utilitarianism. The social institutions designed to implement our grand plans are always failing because the plans are unrealistic, so we blame them. A perpetual struggle between people, markets and governments manifests itself in increasingly rare consensus. Like a society of drunks, civilization gets ugly but it is not permitted to notice. Behavior is disorganized, and the only plan is one based on linear logic, or removing the "bad" and assuming what's left is the good. The only things people can agree on are that they want to be able to earn money, and that they do not want other people interrupting them. They call these agreements "freedom","equality" and "justice" and crush any who oppose them. TOTALITARIANISM We are all acquainted with centralized authoritarianism. More scary is the tendency of crowds, through constant rebellions for more "freedom" which cause negative social consequences, requiring more control, to create totalitarian states. The first part of this process is "distributed" totalitarianism, or the tendency of crowds to enforce dogma by ostracizing those who do not repeat the dogma and depriving them of the benefits of specialized labor. In this stage, individuals gain power by pandering to the desire of the crowd to see appearance triumph over reality. Individuals can find others lacking in altruism, point it out, and be rewarded with higher social status. The second, when disorder rises enough at the same time the civilization becomes more disorganized, is where the oligarchs who have profited from its decline choose a tyrant to enforce a brutal, simplistic and effective order. This is how freedom, equality and justice create tyranny through control. Because they are imposed orders, derived from linear logic which picks one factor of many to be absolute, they conflict with reality and require more not less power. III. PARALLELISM Reversing this process of decay is surprisingly easy. We need to change our assumptions and method of thinking. Nihilism will change our unrealistic thinking and lead us to another philosophy called parallelism. Parallelism replaces linear logic. Where linear logic says to pick one factor of many, parallelism says we consider all factors at once and look at their impact. In parallelism, instead of killing a buffalo for clothing, we determine how many buffalo we can take without destroying the herd, and figure out how to use and store their products so we are efficient. HOLISM Most political control structures create a partial truth of reality, define obedience to it as good/evil, and rapidly control people using that. The dogma of equality, freedom, peace, tolerance and nonviolence is no different. Parallelism reverses this pattern by forcing a description of reality as a whole, and then pointing out what actions will bring negative consequences from reality itself -- with no need for the evil/not-evil artificial reality of control. Unlike idealistic and utopian systems, parallelism recognizes that there is no way to avoid tragedy, conflict, horror and decay, but that they can be limited if people are vigilant toward keeping each other on track toward reality. Where most political systems define what is bad, and assume the rest to be good, parallelism defines a goal and works toward it through whatever methods work. We call it a "whole" philosophy since it does not divide the world into bad and good. BEYOND GOOD AND EVIL Parallelism recognizes that bad and good do not exist, but are our judgments of outcomes. It also recognizes that the ultimate outcome of life, its perpetuation, requires both good and evil, so we call it "meta-good." Once we see reality as meta-good, we do not need false positivity and false inherency as offered by other "worlds" created through human judgment. Whether secular (social reality) or religious (heaven), these other worlds corrupt us. Denying inherent value and purpose removes this false positivity and with it the means of mental control of individuals that in turn empowers the control of the state. When the good symbol appears, people rush toward it, into their doom. When the thought process of justification is reversed, people stop looking for inherent or social reality proof, and instead turn to the scientific method -- observing reality, and testing their knowledge of it, to see what patterns emerge. IMMANENT By denying the inherent, nihilism orients itself toward patterns that emerge from situations. This moves away from universal or absolute truths. Patterns do not exist, but every time certain conditions are met, "emerge" in different forms. Emergent conditions require an entirely different type of logic. While we could call it non-linear, it more accurately resembles many linear logics -- for all factors of a situation -- considered simultaneously. We call it parallelism. One aspect of parallelism is noting that patterns occur in parallel between the forms of matter, energy and thought. Patterns are a type of design or organization which can appear in all three of those forms. Where linear logic and control structures demand a single absolute path, in parallelism, nothing is absolute. Objects and situations do not have inherent, fixed properties. What makes patterns appear is the organization of many factors. Parallelism arises from nihilism because in order to deny value and purpose, one must have a logical basis for doing so, and in order to show they are not part of reality, we must know how reality assembles itself and what its parts are. Philosophers describe emergent properties as "immanent," or distilling out of a situation rather than being inherent to one of its parts. While inherent properties are products of judgment that must be absolute, immanent properties are neither. We can describe immanent properties as "organic," because like life itself, they grow from a few conditions into a diversity of objects formed from similar patterns under slightly different circumstances. Control, on the other hand, must be imposed. TRANSCENDENT Because nihilists believe neither in religious other worlds (heaven) or secular other worlds (morality), we are independent from the principle of absolute and universal dogma that denies the importance and beauty of reality. As a result, nihilism can be said to be a transcendent philosophy. Values and purpose are things we impose based on our observations of what will succeed in adapting to reality, and yet also give us a sense of "meaning." Meaning is interpreted by the individual but derived from reality, so realistic individuals have similar ideas of what is importance. Meaning reverses withdrawl by connecting us with the world around us. Philosophers call this transcendental, from the Latin "climb over," because it encourages us to accept reality including its negative aspects. Instead of denying the negative, we find a greater positive goal in reality itself, the "meta-good." When we transcend, we no longer need false absolutes. Instead, we delight in reality because it is a space of potential. Good and bad are methods we can use to make that potential happen. SCIENCE Since nihilism is ultimately an affirmation of the scientific method and the need for logical decisions, we can act outside of morality to see what is the best adaptation to reality a civilization can offer -- and pick this design for our own. We do not have to like the answers we find. These are not choices, preferences, or beliefs; they are deductions from using our logical skills. They are too complex to be "proved" by experiments, but our sense of logic can help us see truth in them. IV. ORGANIC SOCIETY Every civilization needs a narrative. This consensus describes the origins of the civilization, its ongoing but unattainable goal, and what its values and methods are to achieve that. The best goals are not tangible ones, but goals that can grow over time, like we compete against ourselves with our personal goals. For most, the goal is tied to a land, a worldview, a values system and people like themselves. Immanent goals are patterns which naturally make sense given a certain situation. These do not change over time because humans do not change. When these occur as a part of the growth of a civilization, we call them "organic" goals. Organic societies are logical responses to their environments. They exist on a "whole" level, or one that considers all factors at once. They are the opposite of linear modernist societies, which consider only one factor at a time. Where control societies encourage us to think in terms of one condition being true at a time (logical OR), parallelism encourages us to see how many can be true at once (logical AND). Organic societies are cooperation, not control, based. Parallelism tells us there is no one way all people should live, but that different societies should use different methods toward the same goals. Those that adapt to reality using their specific method will thrive over time. Further, parallelism does not attempt to repeat the past nor does it throw away learning. History is our laboratory and science is our method. Parallelism encourages us to accept modern society, centralization, technology -- and use them wisely. PRINCIPLES As parallelists, we believe that we can establish a handful of principles that modify our current liberal democratic capitalist society, and that these will "organically" grow into a whole concept: 1. Localization. We do not need to live in big cities, and are happier in small communities. These can manage their own affairs, and an overlapping hierarchy of county, state and national governments can address bigger issues. 2. Culture before commerce. If we change our outlook to think in terms of cultural demands which commerce should serve, instead of the other way around, our society will have more consensus. 3. Organic, whole society. In everything that we do, we consider whole factors. It may benefit a few factors to have another McDonald's on a busy street corner, but we must think of all factors and make decisions accordingly. 4. We have a clear consensus and everything else is permitted. We can approach values two ways: 1. use negative logic and try to avoid evil, which implies that everything else is good, leading to lack of direction; 2. use positive logic and try to achieve good, which implies that all not leading to that goal is not useful. We should approach values through method (cool, as it means that more things are permitted. 5. Direct our resources toward constructive goals. We can spend our time, money and effort on fears, or we can build up the best hopes we have. We should do the latter. These attitudinal changes alone will produce a parallelist society from what we have. They are easy to implement and require only the agreement of minority of people in society who are leaders in their communities. V. MANIFESTATION The possibility of action confounds the modern person who does not want to engage in "activist" politics, or those which empower certain groups at the expense of the whole. How to change a society dedicated to distraction? Among us, there are 2-5% of people in our society who are leaders in a practical sense. This means that whether they have an official title or not, they lead the community in business, spiritual, community, academic or social settings. These are the people that your average person trusts. They trust information from these people more than from the government, their televisions, or casual friends. They respect the judgment abilities of these people. Our goal is to inform these leaders of our values, get them to form consensus that these should be adopted, and then send them forth to implement these values in all that they do and to demand them from politicians. This occurs in three steps: 1. Identify, brand and promote an ideology via the internet. 2. Bring the discussion of this ideology to mainstream media. 3. Unite the people who find it meaningful to aggressively push it to others. In modern societies, having a large number of vocal supporters counts, but you do not need "most" of the population or anywhere near it. Successful revolutions are generally championed by 1-2% of a population. That's all we need. http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/prozak/belief_in_nothing/

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Thu 10/08/15 09:14 PM Topic: There is no God?
Nihilism, Belief in Nothing Belief in Nothing by Vijay Prozak Nihilism confuses people. "How can you care about anything, or strive for anything, if you believe nothing means anything?" they ask. In return, nihilists point to the assumption of inherent meaning and question that assumption. Do we need existence to mean anything? After all, existence stays out there no matter what we think of it. We can do with it what we will. Some of us will desire more beauty, more efficiency, more function or more truth -- and others will not. Conflict results. Nihilists who aren't of the kiddie anarchist variety tend to draw a distinction between nihilism and fatalism. Nihilism says that nothing has meaning. Fatalists say that nothing has meaning, so nothing will have meaning for them personally. It's the difference between having no authority figure to tell you what's right, and giving up on the idea of doing anything since no one will affirm that what you've done is right. What is nihilism? As a nihilist, I recognize that meaning does not exist. If we exterminate ourselves as a species, and vaporize our beautiful world, the universe will not cry with us (a condition called the pathetic fallacy). No gods will intervene. It will just happen and then -- and then the universe will go on. We will not be remembered. We will simply not be. In the same way, I accept that when I die, the most likely outcome will be a cessation of being. I will at that moment cease to be the source of my thoughts and feelings. Those feelings having only existed inside of me, never did "exist" except as electro-chemical impulses, and will no longer be found when I am gone. Even further, I recognize that there is no golden standard for life. If I note that living in a polluted wasteland is stupid and pointless, others may not see this. They may kill me when I mention it. And then they will go on, and I will not. Insensitive to their polluted wasteworld, they will keep living in it and suffering under it, oblivious to the existence of an option. A tree falling in a forest unobserved makes a sound. The forest may not recognize this as a sound because a forest is many life forms interacting, not organized by some central principle or consciousness. They just do what they do. In the same way, playing Beethoven's Ninth to a bowl of yeast will not elicit a response. The insensate remain unobservant, much like the universe itself. Many people "feel" marginalized when they think of this. Where is the Great Father who will hear their thoughts, validate their emotions, and tell them with certainty what is true and what is not? Where is the writing on the wall, the final proof, the word of God? How do we know for certain that anything is true, and if it is true, that it's important? Meaning is the human attempt to mold the world in our own image. We need some meaning to our existence, but feel doubt when we try to proclaim it as a creation of ourselves. So we look for some external meaning that we can show others and have them agree that it exists. This forces us to start judging every idea we encounter as threatening or affirming of our projected external meaning. This distanced mentality further affirms our tendency to find the world alienating to our consciousness. In our minds, cause and effect are the same; we use our will to formulate an idea and it is there, in symbolic form. When we take that idea to the world and try to implement it, however, we can estimate how the world will react but we are frequently wrong, and this causes us doubt. As a result, we like to separate the world from our minds and live in a world created by our minds. In this humanist view, every human is important. Every human emotion is sacred. Every human preference needs to be respected. It is us against the world, trying to assert our projected reality where we can because we fear the lack of human-ness in the world at large. Nihilism reverses this process. It replaces externalized meaning with two important viewpoints. The first is pragmatism; what matters are the consequences in physical reality, and if there is a spiritual realm, it must operate in parallel with physical reality. The second is preferentialism; instead of trying to "prove" meaning, we pick what appeals to us -- and acknowledge that who we are biologically determines what we seek. In rejecting anthropomorphic pathetic fallacies such as inherent "meaning," nihilism allows us to toss out anthropomorphism. The idea of an absolute morality, or any value to human life, is discarded. What matters are consequences. Consequences are not measured by their impact on humans, but by their impact on reality as a whole. If a tree falls in a forest, it makes a sound; if I exterminate a species and no human sees it, it happened anyway. Your dictionary will tell you that nihilism is "a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths." It's not a doctrine; it's a method, like the scientific method, which starts by crawling out of the ghetto of our own minds. It is a quieting of the parts of our minds that want to insist that our human perspective is the only real one, and the universe must adapt to us, instead of the sane alternative of adapting to our universe. In this view, nihilism is a gateway and an underpinning to philosophy, not a philosophy in itself. It is an end to anthropomorphism, narcissism and solipsism. It is humans finally fully evolving and getting control of their own minds. As such, it is a starting point from which we can return to philosophy and re-analyze it all, knowing that our perspective is closer to that of the reality outside our minds. Spiritual Nihilism Although many interpret nihilism to negate spirituality, the only coherent statement of nihilism is that there is a lack of inherent meaning. This does not preclude spirituality, only a sense of calling it inherent. This means that nihilist spirituality is exclusively transcendentalist, meaning that by observing the world and finding beauty in it, we discover a spirituality emerging from it; we don't require a separate spiritual authority or lack thereof. It is incorrect to say that nihilism is atheistic or agnostic. Atheism is incoherent: claiming an inherent meaning to the negation of God is a false objectivity just like claiming we can prove there is a God. Agnosticism makes spirituality revolve around the concept of uncertainty over the idea of God. Secular humanism replaces God with an idealized individual. These are all pointless to a nihilist. In the nihilist view, any divine beings would exist like the wind -- a force of nature, without moral balance, without any inherent meaning to its existence. A nihilist could note the existence of a god, and then shrug and move on. Many things exist, after all. What is more important to a nihilist is not inherent meaning, but the design, patterns and interconnected elements of the universe. By observing these, we find a way to discover meaning through our interpretation. This in turn enables us to make unforced moral choices. If we are relying on another world to reward us where we don't get rewarded here, we are not making a sacrifice. If we believe that a God outside of the world must exist in order for it to be good, we are slandering the world. Even if we think there is an inherent right way of doing things, and that we may get rewarded for it, we are not making moral choices. Moral choices occur when we realize there is no compelling force on us to make that decision except our inclination to care about the consequences. That in turn is contingent upon us being hardwired with enough intelligence to revere nature, the cosmos and all that has brought us consciousness. Indeed, the only way we will have such respect for the world is if we view consciousness and life as a gift, and therefore choose to enhance and complement the order of nature. In a nihilist worldview, whether we live or die as a species has no inherent value. We could stay, or blow away like a dead leaf, and the universe doesn't care a bit. Here we must separate judgment, or caring about consequences, from the consequences themselves. If I fire a gun at someone and he dies, the consequence is his death. If I have no judgment of it, that means nothing more than his permanent absence. If the universe has the same absence of judgment, there is nothing more than his absence. No cosmic conclusions, no judging by gods (even if we choose to believe they exist), and no emotion shared by everyone. It is the event and nothing more, like a tree falling in a forest when no one is around to hear its crash. Since there are no inherent judgments in our universe, and no absolute and objective sense of judgment, what matters is our preference regarding consequences. We may choose not to survive as a species, in which case insanity and sanity have the same value level, since survival no longer has a position of value for us. Our survival is not inherently judged to be good; it's up to us to do that. In nihilism, as in every sufficiently advanced philosophy, the ultimate goal is to make "everything just what it is," or to decipher enough of our consciousness that we do not confuse the instrument (our minds) with its object (our world). To a nihilist, the greatest human problem is solipsism, or a confusion of the mind with the world; our solution is to point out that the human values we consider "objective" and "inherent" are only pretense. Nihilism conditions us instead to actualize ourselves. It denies nothing of the lack of inherent meaning to existence, and does not create a false "objective" reality based on our perceptions of what we wish did exist. Instead, it charges us to choose what we wish existed, and to work toward making it occur in reality. The fully actualized human is able to say: I studied how the world works; I know how to predict its responses with resonable success; I know what cause will create what effect. As a result, we can say, I am going to pick a certain effect I desire that is coherent with the organization of our world, so it will succeed. This returns us to the question of whether beauty is discovered, or invented; some suggest that beauty is inherent to certain approaches to organization of form, while others think we can invent it of our own accord. A nihilist would say that the patterns that define beauty are not arbitrary, therefore have a precedent in the extra-human cosmos, and that our artists create beauty by perceiving the organization of our world and then transposing it to a new, human form. Through the embrace of "ultimate reality" -- or physical reality and the abstractions that directly describe its organization, in contrast to opinions and judgments -- as the only inherent constant to life, nihilism forces humans to make the ultimate moral decision. In a world that requires both good and bad for survival, do we choose to strive for what's good, even knowing that it may require us to use bad methods and face bad consequences? The ultimate test of spirituality in nature is not whether we can proclaim universal love for all human beings, or declare ourselves pacifists. It is whether we can do what is necessary for survival and improvement of ourselves, as this is the only way to approach our world with a truly reverent attitude: to adopt its methods, and through an unforced moral preference, choose to rise and not descend. We must make the leap of faith and choose to believe not in the existence of the divine, but in its possibility through the merging of our imagination with our knowledge of reality. Finding divinity in the venal and material world requires an epic transcendental viewpoint that finds in the working of an order a holiness, because that order provides the grounding that grants us our own consciousness. If we love life, we find it to be holy and become reverent to it, and thus as nihilists can rapidly discover transcendental mysticism and transcendental idealism. From this viewpoint, it's easy to see how nihilism can be compatible with any faith, including Christianity. As long as we do not confuse our interpretation of reality ("God") with reality itself, we are transcendentalists who find our source of spiritualism in the organization of the physical world around us and our mental state, which we can see as having parallel and similar function. When people talk about God, a nihilist thinks of the patterns of trees. Practical Nihilism How does a nihilist, or one who is beyond morality and the sanctity of human life and illusions, apply these principles in everyday life? The short answer is "very carefully." Human history provides one story after another of how a few smart people started something good, then parasites encrusted it, and eventually formed a political movement to murder those who knew better, thus plunging that something good into disrepair. The essence of nihilism is transcendence through eliminating a false "inherent" meaning that is a projection of our minds. When we have cleared away the illusion, and can look at reality as a continuum of cause and effect relationships, we can know how to adapt to that reality. This gets us over the fear of reality that causes us to retreat into our own minds, a condition known as solipsism. This in turn leads to a kind of primal realism that rejects everything but the methods of nature. These are inherent to not only biology, but physics and the patterns of our own thoughts. We need no inherent meaning; we need only to adapt to our world and, from the palette of options offered, choose what we desire. Do we want to live in mud huts, or like the ancient Greeks and Romans strive for a society of advanced learning? Most people confuse fatalism with nihilism. Fatalism, or the idea that things are as they are and will not change, relies on an inherent "meaning" being denied for its emotional power. Fatalism is a shrug and a wish that things could be different, but since they are not, we will ignore them. Nihilism is the opposite principle: a reverent acceptance of nature as functional and in fact genius, and a determination to master it. This is not a philosophy for the weak of heart, mind or body. It demands that we look clear-eyed at truths that most find upsetting, and then force ourselves past them as a means of disciplining ourselves toward self-actualization. Much as nihilism removes false inherent meaning, self-actualization removes the drama of the externalized self and replaces it with a sense of purpose: what quest makes meaning out of my life? Unlike Christianity and Buddhism which seek to destroy the ego, nihilism seeks to remove the groundwork that makes the ego seem like all we have. It negates both materialism, or living for physical comfort, and dualism, or living for a moral god in another world that does not parallel our own in function. Any spiritual realm will parallel this one, because since matter, energy and thoughts show parallel mechanisms in their patterning, any other force would do the same. Further, ego-negation is a false form of inherent meaning. A meaning defined in negative terms flatters the object as much as its positive counterpart; to say I'm anti-vole is to affirm the need for voles. The only true freedom from the ego consists in finding a replacement object, or ur-consciousnessness to reality, to replace the voice of personality which we often mistake for the world. Our human problems on earth do not distill to simplifications like the narratives offered by the press because they are popular: we the people are exceptional, except when oppressed by kings, government, corporations or the beautiful people. Our human problems begin and end in our inability to recognize reality and enforce it upon ourselves; we instead opt for pleasant illusions, and generate the negative consequences one might expect. If we do not get rid of our fears, they rule us. If we have created a false antidote to our fears, like a false sense of inherent meaning, we have doubly enslaved ourselves to those fears: first, the fears persist because we have no logical answer to them, and second, we are now indebted to the dogma that supposedly dispels them. This is why human problems have remained relatively unchanged for centuries. As a philosophical groundwork, nihilism gives us a tool with which to approach all parts of life and make sense of them. Unlike merely political or religious solutions, it underlies all of our thinking, and by removing false hope, gives us a hope in the work of our own two hands. Where others rage against the world, we rage for it -- and in doing so, provide a saner future.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Thu 10/08/15 09:12 PM Topic: There is no God? Edited by Tomishereagain on Thu 10/08/15 09:12 PM
There are 4 orders of life in the universe (maybe more) 1st Order Life - Everything that exists is the basic life of the universe. Not aware but having a birth - existence - death sequence includes stars and planets 2nd Order Life - Life in this category holds true for 1st Order Life along with the ability to act upon its environment. This is the level of life known as Basic Life. Plants are a good example of this basic form as they actively seek out sunlight to feed. Microscopically our planet is teeming with this type of life 3rd Order Life - This is a higher form of life that actively chooses its actions to feed and reproduce. This level of life is best described in the animal kingdom of which Humans are part of. 4th Order Life - Currently Humans are the only 4th order of life I can think of. We actively change our environment and construct elaborate edifices to accomplish our goals. We dream, imagine, explore and construct. We are capable of abstract thoughts and fantasies. We are aware of but not in control of a spiritual realm. We sense there are other lifeforms but have no proof so we keep looking for it. We are the Universe becoming aware of itself. There may be higher forms of life in the universe but as yet we cannot find them. As the Universe being an entity we are the evolved intelligence of it. Are we alone in this level of life? I think not but it stands to reason that in terms of evolving life to a conscientious we might very well be the initial spark of awareness to a growing, evolving Universe. Our perception of the vastness of the Universe causes our minds to imagine that we are not unique. I wrote that a few years ago on one of my Science Fiction and Fantasy forums. In attempting to understand the Why of human nature I wrote the following: Try to imagine the first guy that had an idea and felt the need to communicate it with someone else. Imagine the guy that that idea was communicated to. What happened had a few possible out comes. One - There was agreement. That in itself was the foundation of a society. Two - There was disagreement. That society failed. We know that at least one idea was communicated and agreed upon because society exists. Three - There was no response. This probably happened many times before a society was established. Lets explore the agreement that has become what we call society: The initial idea guy becomes the leader of the society. The agreer has become the follower. The leader decides for the follower and the follower puts faith in the leaders decision. Soon the initial idea is related to others that either agree to follow the leader, disagree to follow the leader or generates and new idea and becomes a new leader. The leader may or may not lead to prosperity but the followers follow anyway. Along the way some followers communicate their own ideas and present them to the group. some agree and some do not. New groups are formed. There is divergence. Some groups will prosper, some will die and all will diverge again and again. Societies are group agreements. Not all societies are based on the same ideals. There are societies that are detrimental to the human condition as well as some that are favorable. Some societies are based on ideals that conflict with others ideals. That conflict is the basis for war. War is the result of a conflict of society values. Not all society value conflicts result in war. Some are absorbed and mutated. Some are quietly shunned. Some ideas are allowed but labeled taboo and not actively addressed. Some ideals become religion or method. The Value of Objects(Possession): The concept that objects have value is fundamental in the animal world. Plants are not possessive. A cheetah will fight for food and carry it off thus taking it from another being. It tend to possess the object. We humans take possession of many objects not required for our survival. We assign values to these objects and protect them from other things. Our value system often exceeds the natural value of an object. Society determines the value of objects. Not all objects carry the same value from society to society. Some objects have the same value no matter the society. Some valuable society objects have no value to the individual. Some individually valuable objects have no value to the society. Some objects have no value at all. Try to imagine the source of the objects value. A leader has the idea that an object is valuable to him. He communicates that idea to his followers. Some agree, some disagree and some ignore. The followers that accept the leaders value of that object give that object value. The followers that disagree or abstain ignore the value place on the object. A conflict arises. Either the objects value is established or it is ignored. No matter the outcome of the conflict there will be individuals that ignore the value of the object and some that adhere to its value. Society splits. The conflict has established a coercion. The objects value, no matter the decision, is established and all must adhere to the outcome. The value of the leaders object is propagated by the masses. The society conforms to the leaders values. It doesn't matter if the value is right or wrong. The leader dictates values. Every idea, every value is dictated by an individual mind. Someone proclaimed each. No two people initiate the exact same idea at the same time. there is always one that had the idea first. This opens the door for reflection on our societies and the values we place on objects, concepts, rights and laws. Every single one is the product of one person's imagination. Remove that initial person from history and the idea may or may not have propagated. IMOHO

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Thu 10/08/15 02:43 PM Topic: What Movies Have You Recently Seen? - part 5
The Exorcism of Molly Hartley It was okay

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Seasick Steve http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn77gq35xOOkMhYkRvqX7mA

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Wed 10/07/15 12:07 PM Topic: My Movie Collection - Always Growing
4 Got 10 (2015) Badmouth (2011) Berkshire County (2014) Caesar and Otto's Deadly Christmas (2011) Christmas Horror Story (2015) Cope (2007) Creepy Tales Girls Night Out (2003) Deathgasm (2015) Eternal (1998) Home Invasion (1997) I Spit on Your Grave 3 Vengeance is Mine (2015) June (2015) Legend of the Chupacabra (2000) No Escape No Return (1993) Potpourri (2011) Powerplegic (2013) Reptilicant (2006) RL Stein's Monsterville The Souls (2015) Shark Lake (2015) Starship Apocalypse (2015) The Cold Equations (1996) The Exorcism of Molly Hartley (2015) The Hive (2015) The Vatican Tapes (2015)

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