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Thu 04/22/10 04:46 PM
Edited by redonkulous on Thu 04/22/10 04:52 PM


If energy cannot be destroyed just transformed, and we essentially are made of energy. Does that mean we live on just in a different sense?


It's just a standard fallacy of equivocation: the statement that "energy cannot be destroyed" only applies to the physical definition of "energy", not the colloquial use that refers to a person's enthusiasm or motivation.

misterwiggly
Wow how refreshing when someone understands how meaning attaches to words and how different meanings for the same word make silly statements silly.

Cheers!

For anyone in this thread, I would ask two question, which when you can answer them you will be further along the path to truth they you where before answering them.

1) what does it mean to be alive?
2) what does it mean to be you?


You could also ask yourself what does it mean to exist.

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Thu 04/22/10 04:38 PM
Edited by redonkulous on Thu 04/22/10 04:38 PM


laugh

it's been done.
they oscillate

http://www.ph.utexas.edu/propagator/view.php?issue=200905&section=res&number=1

" Somewhere between Illinois and Minnesota, the federal government lost some neutrinos.

No matter...."

-Foxnews

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190084,00.html




Yep! It has been done, which is why it was a trick question. The hardest part of the experiment IMHO is the difficulty is making a slit. The neutrinos pass effortlessly through solid matter so making a slit is difficult, at best. Just looking for wave behavior is difficult.

The detector has already found evidence of exploding stars and helped separate the different types of neutrinos.

Fun things are happening in the world of physics.
Well I had heard of the massive underground neutrino detectors, that use light sensitive photo cells to detect the minute light emitted when a neutrino had a direct hit with an atomic nucleus, however could not imagine what we could use for a slit, or a rig to detect in any sense the sum total of neutrino's emitted from what, a collider, or the sun?

Never stop being amazed.

BTW what did they use as a slit, and I wonder what their detector rig looks like hmm.



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Thu 04/22/10 04:33 PM


I've just stumbled across this fantastic beat poem by Tim Minchin that sums up my thoughts better than I ever could:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_htqDCP-s&feature=related

Favourite quotes:

"You know what they call Alternative Medicine that's been proved to work?
..
...
Medicine."

and

"Science adjust it's views,
Based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation,
So that belief can be preserved"

The last one rolls so well - this guy is a genius :)

Comments please!

M



Whoaaaaaaaaa ... deep. Genius. Ummmmmm ... not so much.
So you replied solely becuase you felt the need to bash the poem?

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Thu 04/22/10 04:32 PM
Fans of Bruce Lee are likely familiar with Jeet Kune Do, the style of fighting he developed in the 1960s. Lee felt there was too much wasted motion in most martial arts styles – there was a layer of ritualized and superfluous movements built up over the years. So he set out to strip away all the ritual and reduce martial arts technique to the minimal core movements that conveyed optimal function. The result was Jeet Kune Do.

It seems humans have a tendency to clog systems with ritual and fluff. In the cognitive sciences this fluff is often treated as “theory” and when interventions based upon the theory seem to work, proponents interpret this as validating the theory.

But in order to know that the theory is truly valid, variables need to be controlled to skeptically ask the question – is it the elements unique to the theory that are working, or the more basic elements of the intervention? For example, with eye-movement desensitization and reprocessing (EMDR) therapists basically ask clients to ponder their fear or anxiety while they follow an object with their eyes back and forth. Proponents claim the eye movements affect the brain’s hardwiring, but they ignore the more basic elements of the intervention. First, there is the most basic and non-specific effect of introducing a novel technique into a therapeutic relationship – whenever you do anything new with a client, there will be a non-specific effect. Second, there may be an element of cognitive therapy involved. If you control for these variables, do the eye movements themselves add anything to the effectiveness of treatment? Probably not.

This basic concept of unnecessary ritual came up during an interesting conversation I had with Jamy Ian Swiss back stage at NECSS. It turns out he has experience working with wolves (who knew) and we were talking about an audience question about the dog whisperer. There are various competing theories within the world of dog training – Jamy brought up pack theory, which emphasizes the role of hierarchy in a pack of wolves and deals with issue like dominance and being the alpha male. Alternatively, we can view dogs as perpetual puppies (much of the evolution of dogs from wolves constituted neoteny, the maintenance of juvenile characteristics into adulthood). According to the neoteny approach, puppies should be treated like children who need parenting and approval.

So should we treat dogs like members of the pack or like children who need parenting? Does it matter? It probably does, in that an owner’s relationship to their dog will vary according to which theory they are following. But does one approach work better than the other? It seems that both approaches work sometimes and not others, but the real question is – when they do “work” what is it that is actually working? Regardless of theory, anytime you try to affect the behavior of an animal through a combination of reward and punishment you are using some form of conditioning (whether classical or operant). Therefore any claim that a theory of dog whispering is effective must first separate out the variables that are unique to the theory from those that are general to conditioning.

To give yet another example, I think dieting for weight loss also fits into this category of the unnecessary ritual. The evidence strongly suggests that all diets work (when they do) by reducing caloric intake – period. Everything else is the unnecessary ritual that derives from the dubious fluff “theory” that is used to market the diet. There are techniques that genuinely help people to control their caloric intake, like tracking their food intake and meal replacements, but theories about low carb, low fat, avoiding or eating specific foods, eating at times of day, etc. are all irrelevant variables.

Conclusion

The basic lesson from these examples is that there appears to be a tendency to burden theories and practices with unnecessary fluff. People are natural theorizers – we like to think we understand the underlying reason that things work the way they do. But we are not intuitive scientists or skeptics, that part has to be learned and requires vigilance and rigor. The result is that when we come up with a theory, or absorb one from the culture, confirmation bias is likely to convince us that the theory “works” (we will seek out, notice, and remember anything that seems to confirm the theory, and dismiss anything that contradicts it as the exception that proves the rule).

This process of confirmation bias leads to the ratcheting up of unnecessary ritual, like sports stars who develop an increasingly elaborate ritual of superstition they must go through before every game. Every time we try out a new element, it seems to work, so we add it.

Every now and then we need to clean house – to ask the scientific questions about which variables are actually working, and which ones are just illusion, and then strip away all the ritual and nonsense.

In other words, we could do worse than to listen to the wisdom of Bruce Lee. We need a Jeet Kune Do of counseling and dog whispering, and any other system weighed down by ritualized and superfluous movements.


http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=1874#more-1874

I see this EVERYWHERE. Even scientists are bad about this, but at least we skeptics have the wherewithal to ask if this can be what fluffs our theories.

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Mon 04/19/10 09:22 AM

So what would happen if one ran the slit experiment with neutrinos?


(trick question)
Imagine trying to setup the detector . . . oh yea and let me know when you get done building your neutrino emitter.


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Thu 04/15/10 07:36 PM
Edited by redonkulous on Thu 04/15/10 07:45 PM




My BS meter just spiked.


Is the video fake? Is the guy not the real Merck researcher? Did they not use live virus vaccines mixed with inactivated wild strains?

Why has cancer exploded in recent decades?
I am at work and cannot watch the vid, ill go home and watch it, it just vaccines seem to be the blame engine fuel for pseudoscience these days. Without a proper epidemiological & genetic link its dubious at best.

Is there an actual RTC that linked this correlation, or just some "brave maverick researcher" "revealing" the ginormous conspiracy?


Claims to be the head Merck vaccine developer in interview. He claims to have warned of the potential of cancer. Describes the green monkey link in detail.
Ahh I see so a candidate for the later . . .

I still have not watched the video, but I did searches on pub med and my college review, I found no such link, what a fabulously massive conspiracy this will have to be to be true . . .

Its easy to make claims, its more difficult to present anything to back up claims.

Honestly I treat all such claims as rubbish until the effort required to present credible evidence has taken place.


edit:

OK, watched the video. Is it just me or do the interviewers laugh sadistically whenever a particularly horrible visualization is presented?

Can you say CREEPY?

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Thu 04/15/10 07:32 PM
Edited by redonkulous on Thu 04/15/10 07:32 PM

'Try' being the operative word. No cigar ...
Ahhhh . . . pride of stubbornness.

You never did present any facts regarding in AGW thread btw, I still await them with great interest . . .

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Tue 04/13/10 04:59 PM
Thank you, Ladylid2012, Jess642, and heavenlyboy34!!!

Unfortunately, the rest of you, guys, are too backward to comprehend!

YES THANK YOU ALL FOR AGREEING WITH ME, AND TO ALL WHO DONT . . . YOUR DUMB.


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Tue 04/13/10 04:50 PM


My BS meter just spiked.


Is the video fake? Is the guy not the real Merck researcher? Did they not use live virus vaccines mixed with inactivated wild strains?

Why has cancer exploded in recent decades?
I am at work and cannot watch the vid, ill go home and watch it, it just vaccines seem to be the blame engine fuel for pseudoscience these days. Without a proper epidemiological & genetic link its dubious at best.

Is there an actual RTC that linked this correlation, or just some "brave maverick researcher" "revealing" the ginormous conspiracy?

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Tue 04/13/10 11:41 AM
My BS meter just spiked.

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Mon 04/12/10 09:29 PM


If energy cannot be destroyed just transformed, and we essentially are made of energy. Does that mean we live on just in a different sense?


Yes. We are energy. There is no 'death' ... there is only a transitioning to a higher plane of existence. My out-of-body experience in '72 taught me that we don't just 'cease to exist' ... we continue, and the 'skin suit' we walk around in now is left behind like the discarded skin of a cicada after it moults. 'Death' is the beginning - not the 'end'.
What a warm and fuzzy idea . . .

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Mon 04/12/10 05:03 PM
Very well written Essay by Oliver Wendell Holmes on this topic.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2700/2700.txt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Wendell_Holmes,_Sr.

Wonderfully Brilliant man.



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Mon 04/12/10 04:56 PM
http://photoninthedarkness.com/?p=106

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Sat 04/10/10 11:02 AM

I don't think it has anything to do with our memories,
but with -- as much as I hate the word (because it carries religious connotations) -- the SPIRIT!!! (i.e. an all-inclusive essence of the personality)


What characteristics of you does your spirit contain?

So if Jane = a sum total of Jane like characteristics, to make the whole Jane, then what parts does spirit reflect?

If eternal spirit somehow means eternal Jane, then what gets carried with this eternal stuff and what gets left behind?

If the answer ends up being nothing we could call Jane, then why would that be considered eternal life?

A medium that does not interact in such a way as to be detected, but that carries information, or purpose or structure or what ever characteristic you may want to assign to it that somehow influences your experience here and now seems dubious at best contradictory more likely.

If spirit is merely a metaphor for that which makes humans human, or that which makes a life form that life form then its emergent from the sum of the whole, our lives, our essence, whatever gets put in effects the sum whole, the totality of the individual is derivative.

This maps to what we see, so I tend to think its a wholly better hypothesis for reality as it meets consciousness. I see no purpose for some kind of medium to store our essence, I see only emergent characteristics from the derivation of form and purpose and experience. Only when all of these things come together does the individual have that essence we call soul, its illusory that a reduction of form stores this complexity, its the very nature of complexity to be achievable via multi-faceted interactions. I think most magical thinking is just an unease with complexity, its a yearning for simple explanations.


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Fri 04/09/10 04:53 PM
It really baffles me that with all of this extremely verifiable change some still think human kind cannot impact our environment . . .

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Thu 04/08/10 04:54 PM
Edited by redonkulous on Thu 04/08/10 04:56 PM


http://www.skepticalscience.com/Are-we-too-stupid.html

Very interesting article asking the basic question, "Are we too stupid", humanity as a whole that is, to take the needed collective corrective actions to prevent tragic global climate change.


I see you still haven't managed to figure out that 'global climate change' is (1) ALWAYS happening, and that (2) it's NOT the same as 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'. See, the difference is that 'climate' is what 'weather' does OVER TIME ... it's CYCLICAL ... we, as a species, are too weak and too stupid to cause anything to happen on a planetary scale that would effect something like 'global warming'. In case no one has told you, be assured that 'global warming' is a complete FRAUD. It's designed to (1) control you, and (2) relieve you of all your money you thought you had ...
I don't know about you, but when I went to college almost a decade ago, and took a physics class this was basic education, and the conclusion THEN was that what you have said above is bovine poo.


We (being humanity) pump out something on the order of 65 giga tonnes of carbon into the atmosphere each year (that is in addition to the natural sources of carbon), and while most of that is absorbed by various natural carbon sinks, many of those sinks are reaching maximum capacity, and some are even being destroyed by other environmental abuses by humans. To pretend we cannot have an impact is to ignore a VAST array of data, to ignore basic science, and to ignore the VAST majority of professionals in the field, honestly I call BS on the totality of your post sir, and require a proper demonstration of your assertions to change my opinion of your knowledge on this topic.


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Thu 04/08/10 04:48 PM
http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/

Imagine a ring of car thieves lobbying the government to soften the laws against stealing cars. Don’t blame the thieves – people should be more responsible for their own cars, and that is just the chance you take when you own a car. Under the radar, without any comment by the media, in state after state they successfully lobby the legislatures to pass laws that make it more difficult to prosecute and punish car thieves.

Of course this is outrageous, but not just because it’s silly to consider that something like stealing a car should not be a serious crime. It is also outrageous for someone who is violating regulations to lobby for those very regulations to be weakened so that they can continue to break the regulations without fear of action being taken against them. At the very least such action should garner significant attention and debate, and lawmakers should consider carefully if the public’s best interest is being met, or simply the person who doesn’t want to be regulated.

This is exactly what is happening in many states with so-called “health care freedom laws” – practitioners of dubious treatments are lobbying state legislatures to weaken regulations against practicing dubious treatments. There are even specific cases in which an individual practitioner was found to be practicing below the acceptable standard of care, but was able to escape regulation because of laws specifically passed to protect substandard care. This is exactly what happened with Dr. William Hammesfahr – he was found to be practicing substandard care by the State of Florida, but was able to appeal and win on the grounds that his treatment was “alternative” and therefore magically exempt from the standard of care under Florida’s new health care freedom law.


Click the link to keep reading, and link to sources.

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/


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Wed 04/07/10 09:15 PM
Edited by redonkulous on Wed 04/07/10 09:17 PM

the term paranoia is not quantifiable, at least in any way I can understand.
....

So how does one determine what is actually paranoia, and what is just normal concern?



The way I was using the term in this convo, those are two regions of the same spectrum - the spectrum of inclination to respond to a possible threat. Clearly, there is often an evolutionary advantage to not waiting until a threat is proven real before responding.



Totally.


So how does one determine what is actually paranoia, and what is just normal concern?
I think most people, even among professionals, would agree that functioning among a social group is the dipstick. If your ability to function among a social group is impaired its considered a neurosis or delusion, or more generally a mental "disorder", if its improved its called insight or awareness.

Its a basic function of our imagination to attempt to analyze our environment and come up with possible threats, perhaps even the reason for its evolutionary origins.

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Wed 04/07/10 08:36 PM
Edited by redonkulous on Wed 04/07/10 08:38 PM




Air: a mixture of nitrogen, oxygen, and minute amounts of other gases that surrounds the earth and forms its atmosphere.

Carbon Dioxide: a colorless, odorless, incombustible gas, CO2, present in the atmosphere and formed during respiration, usually obtained from coal, coke, or natural gas by combustion, from carbohydrates by fermentation, by reaction of acid with limestone or other carbonates, or naturally from springs: used extensively in industry as dry ice, or carbon dioxide snow, in carbonated beverages, fire extinguishers, etc.

The earth's climate, for millions of years relied on a balance. Flora vs fauna. Air breathing animals exhale carbon dioxide which is then used by plants during photosynthesis to create sugar and release oxygen back into the atmosphere. Then humans come along ... cut down and remove about 60% of the world's plant life, use manufacturing techniques that release even more carbon dioxide into the air (not to mention sulfur dioxide and hundreds of other--worse--toxins into the atmosphere).

Come on, is it so hard to believe humanity hasn't screwed SOMEthing up? Really?


Since earth is a closed system (check your college biology textbook for a full explanation), it is not possible to "destroy" or "harm" nature. It is possible to convert it into other things, but that is a different question. If you check your physics book, you'll also find that the AGW "theory" violates the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
WRONG>

Earth is NOT a closed system. Earth receives energy from the sun, thus the sun is a member of the thermodynamic system.

The earth also radiates heat into space.

AGW does not violate any laws of physics. When you copy spam us from some website, please include the link to that site.

Thanks,


The geology department of every accredited university in America begs to differ with you-earth is a closed system. (not sure about other countries, but my bio Prof was German and he agreed with what I am telling you) You won't find a credible author calling it otherwise except in very theoretical texts.
Geology treats earth as a closed system due to it only caring about material and disregarding energy. Its still not a closed system from an absolute sense due to small amounts of material transfer from other planets however its minuscule and thus not counted geologically speaking, but we are speaking of energy transfer when we are dealing with "warming" or "cooling". The earth is not a closed system in regards to energy thank you very much. Not even in the most liberal of terms is that the case.

Please due enlighten us with some links to anything what so ever that will say that the earth including its atmosphere is a closed system in regards to energy.


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Wed 04/07/10 06:22 PM
Edited by redonkulous on Wed 04/07/10 06:25 PM

"How many legs does a dog have if you count the tail as a leg?

Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg"

-President Abraham Lincoln
Excellent post. What makes something what it is?

Characteristics and commonality.

Ira: Why isn't a tail a leg if I say it is!?
Rati: Because you do not walk with tails ... you walk with legs.
Ira: What if I walked with my tail and grabbed things with my legs?
Rati: well that would be silly. :banana: I guess then that would make you a Tigger!drinker