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the good guys let the bad guys takeover. they gave the prize to a gangleader . u have a gangleader and his thugs in congress governing u Oh for heaven sakes, get a grip... |
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what did he do in 10 days to deserve it???? I hope he can live up to it. if he doesn't then it reflects on the country. but he didn't earn it...it was more of an honorary thing That's your view, but that doesn't mean it was decided on actions with in that 10 days. That fact that he got it also reflects on this country, so why can't we just be happy that our president got that award and wait and see what happens? It's an opinion that he didn't earn it. Many thought he did, me included. Some one's opinion that it was honorary is interesting and plausible but we might never know. I'm not proud because of why he got it...basically a wake up call to get things in gear...not because it was earned as president. 
You do not know that for a fact though, Rose. So why cling to it as if it where true? Of course you can if you wish, but I dont' see .. oh never mind, I need to go get sweets, i'm having withdrawls. |
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Mmm Mmm Mmm Barack Hussein Obama 
Mmm Mmm Mmm Barack Hussein Obama
LOL that's a good Rush impression but it's not the same with out Rush's insane body language, where his is flailing about and jumping up and down in his seat. LOL |
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Obama plans to donate the $1.4 million cash award that comes with the Nobel Peace Prize to charity. http://www.wpbf.com/politics/21246443/detail.html Thats mighty big of him considering that he isn't one of those elite rich guys... Actually it is, at least that can be applauded. Or maybe not. 
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What does it say about the state of our country when we will not accept the honor given our president as just that an honor? If the committee feels he deserves it and gives it to him isn't our job as American citizens to applaud? I would applaud if he earned it. just handing it to someone slaps others in the face that earned it. if he won it by his merit...I would to say way to go and be proud. he didn't earn it I kinda doubt anyone worthy of such an honor would be the petty type, it's not a slap in the face at all. They are just as worthy of it as they were before. To millions out there it was on merit, just not the kind you apply. Oops. I think I said that already. |
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Edited by
boo2u
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Fri 10/09/09 06:19 PM
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What does it say about the state of our country when we will not accept the honor given our president as just that an honor? If the committee feels he deserves it and gives it to him isn't our job as American citizens to applaud? I don't think its a duty to be applaud it. But if one is smart, no matter what I thought of it I wouldn't be putting him down for getting it. Why? Because it just makes those who do look petty and small. If I were the Republicans I wouldn't put my image further in the toilet by acting like children about it. Goes for the other side too had Bush won it. |
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what did he do in 10 days to deserve it???? I hope he can live up to it. if he doesn't then it reflects on the country. but he didn't earn it...it was more of an honorary thing That's your view, but that doesn't mean it was decided on actions with in that 10 days. That fact that he got it also reflects on this country, so why can't we just be happy that our president got that award and wait and see what happens? It's an opinion that he didn't earn it. Many thought he did, me included. Some one's opinion that it was honorary is interesting and plausible but we might never know. |
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IN a point of view, it's a good encouragement for him to stay on the right track. Sometimes when you win, you loose. Now he has to live up to his words, and in this point of view, it's a good thing. He would definitely disappoint many if he doesn't go after stopping these bloody wars and not to aggregate other nations for more wars in the future. Basically, he has to fulfill his promises or he's gonna find a lot of disappointed nations. Good point |
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Edited by
boo2u
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Fri 10/09/09 05:29 PM
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OOps
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Why bash obama on this???
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Obama did not win the prize in ten days. History will make that clear. If he deserves it later, only time will tell. The prize was a politically motivated message intended to "help" direct the direction of US policy on world events. This "proactive" concept of winning a prize is against the history of the award and sets a bad precedence. Others were more deserving of the prize. When I watched the news today it was evident that even the most stanch Obama supporters realized that this event "wasn't right". It is also a little "odd" that the award came just as Obama was making the decision whether or not to escalate the war in Afghanistan. A slight tip might be all that is required to change the direction of the war. I think folks would have found it odd no matter when it happened for this particular president. Bottom line we don't know for a fact the underlying reasons for their choice, just that they made it. I could definitely see it as a way to steer the direction of foreign policy as well, but that's the cynical side of me. Though still, it could be, if it is it's a brilliant move. But it really puts a kink in the agenda for those in Washington wanting more troops etc. will be interesting to see how it plays out. Either way I think it's a good thing ultimately. Especially the way Obama handled the news. Those that might have deserved it more, are still as worthy of it today as they were yesterday, that can't be taken away from them. Hopefully they will handle that as gracefully as the president has handled it. Personally I don't think he is all that pleased that this happened at this time, but I'm not him so I don't know. |
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Why bash obama on this???
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I don't see how this committee could possibly know a person when only 10 days in office. this was a "push to do better" type award...not on his actions or merit They could tell what his foreign plans were before the election. He did plenty of speeches. They haven't seen that in quite awhile. but those are campaign promises which don't always hold up.....lo at past presidents as well. had he been in office longer and did something to earn it...I'd be happy. this was nothing more than a push in the right direct type award. it wasn't based on anything he did give an achievement award for what someone says they want to do in the future isn't the same as giving an award for what is actually done I don't think he earned it...sorry but that's how I feel 10 days isn't long enough to do good or bad It had nothing to do with 10 days in my opinion. According to the committee he did do something to deserve it. I also think he did as well even if it was only to change the damn atmosphere after the long 8 years of anxiety for so many people under bush. Here in this country and elsewhere.. Even my friends that voted for Bush noticed the difference in tone and atmosphere with Obama, even if they still would not have voted for him. We don't know what was on the mind of the committee ultimately, not you, not me. But we do know he absolutely had an affect on the committee. Even if it was a manipulative move, they would still have very good reason to do so, because they see in him a man that could very well keep the world from rushing into more war. So it was something he said or did in a way that impressed the committee or just something they instinctively feel about the guy. Something I feel myself about him.. the voting ended after only 10 days in office. I'm not saying he wouldn't deserve it in the future...I'm saying 10 days isn't enough to have done any thing You idea of doing something is just different than mine. They had plenty of time to get a good idea where the guy was coming from long before that. |
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Why bash obama on this???
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I don't see how this committee could possibly know a person when only 10 days in office. this was a "push to do better" type award...not on his actions or merit They could tell what his foreign plans were before the election. He did plenty of speeches. They haven't seen that in quite awhile. but those are campaign promises which don't always hold up.....lo at past presidents as well. had he been in office longer and did something to earn it...I'd be happy. this was nothing more than a push in the right direct type award. it wasn't based on anything he did give an achievement award for what someone says they want to do in the future isn't the same as giving an award for what is actually done I don't think he earned it...sorry but that's how I feel 10 days isn't long enough to do good or bad It had nothing to do with 10 days in my opinion. According to the committee he did do something to deserve it. I also think he did as well even if it was only to change the damn atmosphere after the long 8 years of anxiety for so many people under bush. Here in this country and elsewhere.. Even my friends that voted for Bush noticed the difference in tone and atmosphere with Obama, even if they still would not have voted for him. We don't know what was on the mind of the committee ultimately, not you, not me. But we do know he absolutely had an affect on the committee. Even if it was a manipulative move, they would still have very good reason to do so, because they see in him a man that could very well keep the world from rushing into more war. So it was something he said or did in a way that impressed the committee or just something they instinctively feel about the guy. Something I feel myself about him.. |
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Why bash obama on this???
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Obama could cure cancer and right wingers will find a way to complain. in an earlier post i saw a comment that he wasn't qualified to be president....umm Palin isn't qualified to run a PTA much less the Presidency but that's not the point....noone has experience to be president. retard bush had none but conservatives seem to think he's Jesus reincarnated. Funny, I have to ask you though...why is it that when obama gets attacked for his obvious lack of experience, people immediately bring up Palin's experience? I mean was she running for President or the V.P slot. Just wanted to ask how can you compare the 2... 
Funny, the same exact thing happens when Palin gets attacked for her lack of experience. Just the nature of the beast. Some don't like Obama, other's don't like Palin. Mentioning Palin in the same sentence as President gives me the shills but probably not the same kind of shills it might give someone else. |
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sorry.. if you don't like people practicing christianity, move to saudi or France.. they're perfectly happy to restrict your freedom of religion there.. Just responding to above quote - what makes this a solution??? When all else fails, tell them to leave. I could careless whether a person wants to pray to God, Allah, or the Jolly Green Giant? I'm not telling her to leave.. just pointing out the alternatives and the places that enact the kinds of policies that achieve what ends she seeks here. Geez read much into that tiny word, FROM?
I have no problem with what someone believes, how they practice those beliefs in the privacy of their own homes or churches or private schools. Frankly I am too old to give a crap about changing anything. I won't be the one that has to deal with religion expanding it's influence in government or in public places. But I will make remarks any time fundamentalists try to step over the line into my life. It's not a tiny word at all.. else you wouldn't have capitalized it. you know exactly the implication made by and the distinction between freedom of and freedom from. In some islamic countries, they have freedom from christianity being practiced in their presence. The price? authoritarianism. Is authoritarianism what you seek? That's what it means to tell people that they only have their religious freedoms within the confines of the walls of their own homes.. I am absolutely clear about one thing and that is that you have no clue who I am or what I think. You take any mention of anything against religion personally and way too far in my case. I do not see authoritarian anything. I simply do not want the religious right controlling my life in any way at all. OK let's expand that, you can pray where ever you like as long as it does not infringe on me. But not in private schools. I don't care if you say merry Christmas either, in fact I still say it now and then, habit... MY concern is too much influence in government which would then dictate how I live. That's all. But if you prefer to make it a bigger deal than that be my guest. Oh and I am perfectly happy where I am thank you. Yes I have an attitude when it comes to religion and what it has done over time to divide people. I do not have a problem with whatever anyone chooses to believe as long as keep it to themselves for the most part when it comes to government. |
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Edited by
boo2u
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Freedom of religion is cast in stone. An undeniable constitutional fact. Separation of Church and State is an interpretation. You'll not find the words Separation of Church and State anywhere in the Constitution. You really want to make this argument? It should be freedom FROM religion. But I don't have time to argue it anyway. says you.. fact remains it is not.. There might as well be a freedom from being offended. it'll never happen. you don't have the right to impede someone else's religious practices, whether they be christian, jewish, muslim or flying spaghtetti monster.. The way the first amendment was written it was specifically designed against protecting anyone from religion.. It's impossible to protect "freedom of" and "freedom from" at the same time.. you don't like the way someone prays? too bad.. walk away, turn off the tv, the radio, pull your kid out of school. do whatever you feel like you must, that's your freedom. but it's not your freedom, neither is it your right or imperitive to keep someone from practicing their faith as they see fit.. sorry.. if you don't like people practicing christianity, move to saudi or France.. they're perfectly happy to restrict your freedom of religion there.. Geez read much into that tiny word, FROM? I have no problem with what someone believes, how they practice those beliefs in the privacy of their own homes or churches or private schools. Frankly I am too old to give a crap about changing anything. I won't be the one that has to deal with religion expanding it's influence in government or in public places. But I will make remarks any time fundamentalists try to step over the line into my life. |
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Why bash obama on this???
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top 5 arguments given in here, that I see a lot, are: 1. that's not true/not accurate (but nothing backing it up) 2. racism (the only reason people could possibly have for not agreeing with the president is racism  )
3. Obama says....(sorry but I don't always agree with what he says....just like past presidents) 4. hate or fear mongering (happens on both sides) 5. biased source (but those that complain about that use biased sources themselves and that seems to be ok) Oh ya, that's the way to turn it all around.
who turn what around? Making the tone worse by rubbing it in. It's a tactic my brothers used to use if I got in trouble. They stand by reminding my punisher what I did earlier which made the situation even more unstable.  Wasn't so funny at the time though.
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Why bash obama on this???
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top 5 arguments given in here, that I see a lot, are: 1. that's not true/not accurate (but nothing backing it up) 2. racism (the only reason people could possibly have for not agreeing with the president is racism )
3. Obama says....(sorry but I don't always agree with what he says....just like past presidents) 4. hate or fear mongering (happens on both sides) 5. biased source (but those that complain about that use biased sources themselves and that seems to be ok) Oh ya, that's the way to turn it all around.
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Freedom of religion is cast in stone. An undeniable constitutional fact. Separation of Church and State is an interpretation. You'll not find the words Separation of Church and State anywhere in the Constitution. You really want to make this argument? It should be freedom FROM religion. But I don't have time to argue it anyway. |
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Why bash obama on this???
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I know that you are, you have the same dry sense of humor that I do ;)
Ah well then it's nice to know we have something in common. |
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I hope they find water there- they can stay there and use it to wash their filthy hands!! WTF? |
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