So then rapes, and murders, and child abuse, and spousal abuse, and so on,... none of those are mistakes?

Come to think of it, then nothing you do could be considered to be a mistake because nothing happens in God's world by mistake?

I don't know about you, but to me there seems to be a tiny flaw in this cute cliché.



This also seems to fly in the face of history. If we are all here for a purpose, and that purpose is always for the greater good of the whole, then why doesn't the world get increasingly better over time?

It would seem that if this ideology is true, then it most certainly isn't working.

If everyone is here for a purpose and the purpose is for the greater good of all, yet no one is doing their purpose, then it doesn't really matter does it?

That would be like picking up an orange and saying, "Hey this is supposed to be blue".

Well fine. Maybe it's supposed to be blue, but clearly it's orange.

What sense does it make to say how something is supposed to be if it clearly isn't like that?

LOL

Poor lambs...



You should see some of the evidence I have found that supports the existence of reptilians. Ancient drawings of these creatures raping women, statues of them holding young... not to mention modern day eye witness reports.

You can download David Icke's book if you want: here for free:
"The Biggest Secret" but I warn you, it is really mind blowing information. Is it true? I don't know... but so much of the information is right on target it will shock you.

http://www.bacaracka.com/books/

JB

just my luck i dont live in miami..
well mom is in the hospital.they are monitoring her blood pressure which seems to go up to dazzling heights for no good reason.this has been going on since her heart attack and it scares her.we are all very worried about her.

I think a lot of people clearly don't understand pantheism.

Pantheism can't be about multiple Gods because the very idea of pantheism is that all is ONE.

I think the confusion comes into play because many religions that started out as pantheism ended up becoming contaminated with a misunderstood idea of multiple God.

For example, the American Indians had pantheistic views. They believed that all of nature is connected and is therefore all "One". Yet at the same time they spoke about the spirit of the forest, and the spirit of the prairie and the spirit of the bear, and the spirit of the eagle and so one endlessly. Form outside of their belief system this might look like they have a different "God" for everything, But that's not how they thought of it. All of these 'spirits' arise from the One Great Spirit. The One Great Spirit is manifesting all others. Including the Human Spirit. I think the key thing to realize is that with most pantheistic religion the KEY idea is to recognize that the Human Spirit is merely one of many "manifestations" of the single underlying entity that we often refer to as "God".

Compare this with a non-pantheistic religion such as the Mediterranean area religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam. Those religions think of God as being a Separate egotistical entity in his own right. The Christians have divided that God up into a trinity, the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit. However, humans and animals are Separate from this God. Them just "Go to God", or risk eternal separation from God.

For me these Mediterranean religions make no sense at all. If humans aren't God, then what they hell are they? How can a human exist separate from God? That implies that a human is a stand-alone entity in it's own right (i.e. a miniature god in a way). People who believe in this religion claim that it's monotheism, and they laugh at the pantheistic idea of God being multiple things at one, yet they have Their Godhead, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit being a trinity of ONE that is yet Divided into distinct parts. So they already have pantheism to a point, they just fail to include humans in as part of it. And who knows what non-human animals are? According to the biblical picture animals are nothing but spiritless biological robots. They have no 'true self, or soul, or spirit'. And while individual Christians may claim otherwise, I think they would be very hard pressed to back up their claims using the actual doctrine of the religion.

Now some Easter Pantheistic religions also have a trinity, and it is simply to the idea of The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. However it's actually thought of quite differently than Christianity. The Father, is the "Great Spirit" (the essence of all life, and in particular it is the spirit of all sentient life), however, in this trinity the "Son" represents all living things. Not just man, but all animals as well. And the Son is not separate from the father, but rather a manifestation of the father (it's pantheism). In this context, the Holy Spirit is nature herself. All of the forces, the wind, the fire, the earth, and the water. In other words, the Holy Spirit is the physical world (or the hologram as Jeannie likes to think of it). So even though it may appear that they have more than one "God" they really don't. It's all-in-one. And mankind is included in that picture.

So I think it's incorrect to think of Pantheism as being polytheistic even though some "religions" that have pantheistic underpinnings may appear to be polytheistic at first glance. The bottom line to pathenism is that everything arises from a single source and ultimately is that single source taking different forms.

However, if you view the idea of a God as an egotistical "Deity" then pantheism has none. At least not during the incarnation stage. There is more to pantheism than what meets the eye. The entire universe as we know it is merely an "incarnation-stage" of this pantheistic entity. When the universe is over (when the incarnation stage is over, the spirit returned to it's rest state of being complete "oneness". That may seem a bit confusing because it's always one. But during an incarnation stage it's many-in-one, or one-as-many. In the rest stage it returns to a compete state of oneness. This is a state of rest where there is no incarnation going on. This is a state of pure bliss with no physical form whatsoever. In this state all is spirit. There is nothing to 'bump up against" as they say. It's pure rest. Pure bliss. And after that, there's another Big Bang, and a whole knew incarnation is born. And that cycle just goes on indefinitely. It's eternal.

This is, of course, just one view of pantheism. No one really knows, but this view has been claimed by sages who have claimed to have had 'visions' no different form the claims of biblical stories. If you can believe one, why not the other?

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

I know many people who are agnostics of different degrees, but i have only ever met one truly atheistic person in my life. From my expieriences i would have to say there are few world wide of average intelligence who are truly atheist. Though there are many infinite beings here that most likely are, in my meetings with them.

I'll have to think about this for a while to give you a good answer.

Ok, so theres one christian whos mad about christian bashing, and 3 pages later we have pagans and wiccans and oprah.


God help us all

That burning thing is SO not cool, so YESTERDAY, so Puritan!!

Yeah..whats up with that..I always get asked what I am cause I had to put OTHER..lol.

Hello I'm still kicking.

I hear everybody saying "Not to judge." You just said that "the world teaches that we are not to judge."

How does the world teach that?

I once saw a homeless woman. I had seen her often. I didn't know her circumstances. Everyone laughed at her. She seemed angry all the time towards others. She would come into the tavern I worked in and always completely trash the bathroom and I would have to clean it up.

One day I looked at her and I imagined that she was my sister. I imagined that she had a mother or a daughter or someone who loved her somewhere.

That day I treated her as kindly with the love I would want a person to treat my sister. I gave her soup from the kitchen, I gave her a few free drinks from the bar. She was not greedy, only took a few. I am sure she was truly grateful.

After she left, I checked the bathrooms and she had left them just as neat and clean as a person would want to find them.

People need love and kindness but they also need respect, no matter what their circumstances are.

JB

like you said this has been goimg on for thousands of years. so why haven't we come to that tolerant conciousness yet?

it will always be that way not matter how hard we THINK or TALK about it.