Do you believe that there are modern day oracles? I have noticed in our spiritual meetings in NA and AA that we really have a motley crew with people with all kinds of experiences, strengths and hopes. Dependent on the faiths of our members the meetings can take, shall I say, different paths. At times it seems like a coven of witches and at other times like a bunch of gurus. What made me think of the oracle possibility was how certain members will say that after the meeting was over that they heard what they needed to hear. What we have shared in common is a god of our understanding. Which makes me wonder if an oracle could be the manifestation of a panthiest viewpoint since it seems we all view god differently. For some the god of their understanding is just people sharing a commonality in this process we call recovery.

Hallelujah

It all goes along with the simple line of...

"Nothing, absolutely nothing happens in Gods world by mistake"

We are all here for a purpose and that purpose is always for the greater good of the whole rather than just a part thereof. If we remember to love each other unconditionally including our strengths and weaknesses life would be a whole lot better.

True. For if the ties that bind us together are stronger than those that would tear us apart all will be well because recovery depends on the unity of its members in the singularity or in the collective.

So then rapes, and murders, and child abuse, and spousal abuse, and so on,... none of those are mistakes?

Come to think of it, then nothing you do could be considered to be a mistake because nothing happens in God's world by mistake?

I don't know about you, but to me there seems to be a tiny flaw in this cute cliché.



This also seems to fly in the face of history. If we are all here for a purpose, and that purpose is always for the greater good of the whole, then why doesn't the world get increasingly better over time?

It would seem that if this ideology is true, then it most certainly isn't working.

If everyone is here for a purpose and the purpose is for the greater good of all, yet no one is doing their purpose, then it doesn't really matter does it?

That would be like picking up an orange and saying, "Hey this is supposed to be blue".

Well fine. Maybe it's supposed to be blue, but clearly it's orange.

What sense does it make to say how something is supposed to be if it clearly isn't like that?

So then rapes, and murders, and child abuse, and spousal abuse, and so on,... none of those are mistakes?

Exactly. If they weren't meant to happen would they happen? We must accept reality on its own terms and not our terms. We might not always agree with reality but to deny its existance is insanity.

Come to think of it, then nothing you do could be considered to be a mistake because nothing happens in God's world by mistake? If you learn from it is it a mistake? If you learn that it was a mistake is it a mistake? Recovery is learning from your mistakes.

This also seems to fly in the face of history. If we are all here for a purpose, and that purpose is always for the greater good of the whole, then why doesn't the world get increasingly better over time? Personal choice. If someone jumps off a bridge does that mean that you have to, too. Or from seeing what it did to them could you not learn not to make the same mistake? Could not this information be used by the collective as a learning tool? Recovery is about learning how to become a productive member of society and not a non productive member. One is either part of the problem or part of the solution. Recovery is not only about helping ourselves but others in the process because we have the potential to learn from the mistakes of others as well as mistakes we have made.

It would seem that if this ideology is true, then it most certainly isn't working. For many it doesn't work but many it does.

If everyone is here for a purpose and the purpose is for the greater good of all, yet no one is doing their purpose, then it doesn't really matter does it? Some have trouble accepting the programming. We have those who are inconstitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. They are not at fault they seemed to have been born that way.

That would be like picking up an orange and saying, "Hey this is supposed to be blue". Personal choice. Some can accept an orange just because it is an orange.

What sense does it make to say how something is supposed to be if it clearly isn't like that? There is always the hope that we can grasp truth even if we have trouble accepting it.

I am a Pagan, but I personaly see being a Oricle, as in seeing the future, as impossible. The M theory states that the future is not created in our time line yet, so you would only be viewing a possible future timeline, one that may or may not happen.

Nothing is absolute, everything is prone to change, I am in no way telling you that you don't have a Destiny, I believe the Destiny is more or so dependent upon your Karma, but there is in no way things are set to happen, thats why things are called mistakes.

Aw, the road to happy destiny is the one I choose to follow. Life is a wonderful thing.

YEs, its better to lets things go the way they are, but control the road your going, I think thats the way to a great life, a happy destiny :).

James let me see if I can help defog this a bit. Roy knew what I meant by it, and it didn't occur to me to clarify my statements.

The reality of what things occur doesn't change the ultimate purpose. The ultimate purpose being to evolve and come to a higher understanding. In order to do such, we are in human form in order to experience various things, mainly life. Our souls want to experience things on various levels as well as know and understand how various things feel.

I may get flack for this statement, but it's what I believe to be true at least for me. I was abused as a child, I was also raped, and I was also abused by my ex-husband. Did I ask for these things to happen? No but I put myself in situations that lead to the events.

I believe that everything that I've done in my life has had a purpose. Some things I understand, others I don't. When I'm ready to understand everything, I will.

You also have to add in other factors as well. Everyone's life here is different. Yes we all may have similarities in our experiences, but each person is on a different growth level. Some are young souls that are just beginning, others are old souls that are on their last trip here on earth, and then there's others in between the 2.

These are the things that I have learned over the years. It's the path that I follow. I don't expect you or anyone else to make it their path, but it does and has worked for me. There are many people that believe the same way that I do, but none of us try to make another believe what we believe. It all boils down to the freedom of choice.

My path lays before me and I create the path I decide to go down. Yes things may happen along the way and I may stumble, but I need not fall. I am traveling my road to happy destiny and enjoying the scenery along the way, despite the stumbling blocks I encounter.

The PENTABARF was discovered by the hermit Apostle Zarathud in the Fifth Year of The Caterpillar. He found them carved in gilded stone, while building a sun deck for his cave, but their import was lost for they were written in a mysterious cypher. However, after 10 weeks & 11 hours of intensive scrutiny he discerned that the message could be read by standing on his head and viewing it upside down.

KNOW YE THIS O MAN OF FAITH!

I - There is no Goddess but Goddess and She is Your Goddess. There is no Erisian Movement but The Erisian Movement and it is The Erisian Movement. And every Golden Apple Corps is the beloved home of a Golden Worm.

II - A Discordian Shall Always use the Official Discordian Document Numbering System.

III - A Discordian is Required during his early Illumination to Go Off Alone & Partake Joyously of a Hot Dog on a Friday; this Devotive Ceremony to Remonstrate against the popular Paganisms of the Day: of Catholic Christendom (no meat on Friday), of Judaism (no meat of Pork), of Hindic Peoples (no meat of Beef), of Buddhists (no meat of animal), and of Discordians (no Hot Dog Buns).

IV - A Discordian shall Partake of No Hot Dog Buns, for Such was the Solace of Our Goddess when She was Confronted with The Original Snub.

V - A Discordian is Prohibited of Believing what he reads.

IT IS SO WRITTEN! SO BE IT. HAIL DISCORDIA! PROSECUTORS WILL BE TRANSGRESSICUTED.


http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/11.php

Be careful...

The Bible says we don't fight against flesh & blood but powers & principalities in the heavenly realm.

The Bible also says God's word doesn't come back VOID. We as believers are "Oracles" in the sense that when we SPEAK God's word it becomes life to whatever it is directed at...if not in the moment but EVEN into the future. I must add that anything you are going through today doesn't last...except God's word.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit is activiated when we ACT on God's promptings thru the Spirit to Say & then do His will. Jesus was first FILLED then WALKED in the Spirit, doing all sorts of good for people & many miracles too.

One of us can send a thousand to flight two of us can send thousandS to flight. Even still Christians have trouble with believing, yet we could move mountains if we combine our belief together in God's word.

So I have to ask...why would anyone settle for sloppy seconds when they could have the REAL thing...through Christ? Is beyond me????

It just goes to show that Christianity is not for whimps. It takes courage to surrender all your resistance to God instead of giving Him all your concerns & having His peace rest upon you.

I keep going back to Jesus as our GENTLE Lamb.

Good point, Serenity. I am glad we have the Alanon, Alateen, Narconon and Narcoteen. They help in many ways because the whole family is affected and they had the sense to realize that. 'Whole' can be an ambiguous term. The singularity and the collective is like mathematics in a way because the whole is more than just more than the sum of all of its parts; It is all of its parts working in unison for the betterment of the greater whole because one can just look at of of the parts as the singularity and not just the collective.