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Sat 05/24/08 10:02 PM
Hi flowerforyou Thank you for the welcomes.

I'm beginning to settle in and find my way around flowerforyou

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Sat 05/24/08 09:32 PM
So I finished reading the entire thread and have come up with some conclusions as well as questions...

Would it be so wrong if Jesus were gay or bi-sexual? Me personally, it doesn't really matter. He was a human being just like you and I. We all have sexual wants and/or needs and depending on our preference will depend upon whom we have fulfill those things with.

I find it simply amazing how some people can be so hypocritical. It's ok for a woman to be with another woman or for a man to be with 2 women at the same time, but when it comes to a man being with another man it's just downright wrong. In fact according to most men and NO I'm NOT saying ALL "two women together is beautiful and is erotic". Care to explain?

How many paintings from the Pre-Renaissance Era and even into early Renaissance depict orgy's including men with men? I can tell you that there's numerous, and they are considered some of the finest pieces of art. Most of the paintings done in these Eras were done as pictures from biblical verses or interpretations of them.

I was told a long time ago to always have an open mind, and I continue to do so to this day. I don't take everything I read as hard proof, I take it all with a grain of salt. I don't take one single book as law, nor do I take one single persons version of something as fact. I take the time to seek out my answers and go with what I feel is right in my heart mind and soul.


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Sat 05/24/08 01:12 PM

Hi Serenity flowerforyou


Hi Alex told me to tell you Hi flowerforyou

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Sat 05/24/08 01:01 PM
Hi to Purple and Gypsy, I was told to pop in and say to both of you by a very near and dear friend of mine.

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Sat 05/24/08 12:11 PM





Mark 7; 18-23.

And he says unto them, " Are you so without understanding also?
Do you not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without enters into the man, it cannot defile him ;
Because it enters not INTO HIS HEART, but into the belly, and goes out into the draught, purging all meats?

And he said, That which comes out of the man, that defiles the man.
Form within, OUT OF THE HEART OF MEN, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications (that would include homosexuality), murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit (HMMMMM), lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness(laugh ) :


All these evil things come from within,

and defile the man
.

oops:wink:

brokenheart huh


Fornication only applies because they cannot marry, if they marry their sex is not fornication so then it would not fit this definition.

Again I will say, does the message of Jesus change because he could have had sex with men or women or both?



Not necessarily.

In part, marriage is about children, but there is an interesting scripture found that could be used to rebuke homosexuality's efficacy as proper in marriage. I am not throwing stones,but showing rather that efforts to make the lifestyle wiggle its way into Christianity is an uphill battle, one of which I do not understand the need for.

Christianity is not the whole of heaven, or the whole of God's grace and mercy in exclusivity, despite what most claim. Elsewhere, I have addressed that in clarifying Jesus' parable about those that DO NOT KNOW HIM and are yet found alive and well in his presence in eternity by their righteous works of benevolence.(Mattehw 25:31-46. Please notice that Jesus identifies himself with ALL that are found entering his embrace by their works as depicted in verses 37-40)Not all found in heaven are the Church of Jesus Christ.:wink:

Most, do not even know Jesus. May have heard of him, but do not know him.:wink:



Anyway, back to marriage and same-sex unions, biblically speaking....


1Corinthians 7:29-40.

It is long and wish rather that you read it and I not need to write it.flowerforyou

ONLYIN THE LORD, we are reminded, as Christians, though we may be married, to be as though we weren't,


minding the things of God, and not the tings of the world.

OK?

All of 1Corinthians 7 is about marriage, towards the Church of Jesus Christ, specifically.

So, 1Cor7:2, Paul writes this to the Church, Nevertheless, to avoid FORNICATION, l3et every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.


It doesn't say, to tops and bottoms, it says, to men and women.:wink:

Homosexual marriage does not fit in the Church of Jesus Christ.

Why bother to try to fit it in, then, when in other scriptures there is a clear path to follow for all others that will be found as either welcome or not in eternity as Jesus depicts his judgement? (Matthew 25:31-46. is what all others may have faith in if they choose to remain in their predilections)

See what I mean?


peaceflowerforyou :heart: bigsmile




Wouldeeflowerforyou You know personally speaking for me the bible is nothing but a book of stories written of old. I have no value to it other than that. So whether homosexual activity would or should be allowed as part of the christian faith is neither here nor there for me.

I just brought up the technicalitie of that one passage. I do not agree with any faith that ostrisized others. If they sit in judgement of others they are placing themselves in the place of a god as though they are better than others and I abor that in religious folks.

But again, I will say, if Jesus has sex with anyone, does it change his message?


Dragoness,flowerforyou



yes, it does.

For Jesus would be hypocritical in the depiction that he was manifest to do what the Father's will is, and not his own.

The whole point of being crucified to only be risen again and alive in death would be very much contrary to that which he professed, if he were disposed to carnal selfish pleasures AT ALL!

It would also lend credibility to the depiction that women are nothing but preferential toys fro self gratification.

Such is an abominable perversion of the righteousness of God.

Jesus, as the Living Word of the Father, is not about himself, but about bridging God and man.

Depicting him as assumingly wanton and prurient is purposefully espoused as a denial of his message, expecting that he was given to like passions found in temptations common to man.

Falling prey to temptations and vaunting himself would make his message incredible and hypocritical and contradictory of his very credibility of being the Holy One only known of and to the Father.

Any that resist temptations, successfully or not, can recognize Jesus is clearly above such things and can lead us to victory of such affronts to our conscience, if our conscience is so disposed to resist, successfully or not, by our own device and will, apart from God's help in seeing it for what it is beforehand that it not have power over us to enslave us to it's trickery.

Hebrews 2:17-18 is an example of what I am conveying to you, from a Christian perspective.

Wherefore in all things(ALL THINGS) it behoved him to be made like his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
For in that he himself has suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted.


Temptations and partaking of temptations are two different things.


In that he says that we, the world, do not know God apart from what he reveals, then it stands to reason that the world knows the things of itself, and not God.

Equating Jesus Christ as being of the world , which is known by all men, is like saying that he is the same in his affinities.

That is not the case.

That is the case for trying to discredit him through accusations and disengenuous depictions of contemptible hypocrisy.

The only thing that is evident is that excuses abound to argue with Jesus' words, when the simple truth is that any and all may refuse them and walk on.

Obsessing oneself with trying to rationalize his words into one's own construct is a compulsion that is an excessive waste of contemplation, effort and energy when it is far easier to not dwell on torment.

Why such obsessive compulsivity continues throughout every generation is apparent.

His words sting and cut the heart and expose itself to itself invasively; an unacceptable intrusion to those harboring secret guilts and not wanting to address them openly.

But then, that is nothing new.

Don't shoot the messenger.

you will waste a BULLET.:wink:

PEACE.flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile



Last I knew we were rightly give "Free Will" in order to have choices and decide upon what we perceived is better for us personally and for the earth as a whole.

Everyone seems to put Jesus on this pedestal like he was better than any other person that has walked this earth. He was just a human being and that's all he was.

If you really want to get technical we are all the different facets and faces of God(s). We are not judged by our actions, we are here to learn and evolve to a better understanding of ourselves by experiencing life as a human being.

Jesus did that just as the rest of us are doing that.

*Just another messenger*

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Sat 05/24/08 11:56 AM



Hmmm...you do look familiar.....



So do you...CS?

Though I can't recall what your name was

I was one that got booted back in the day for checkin out other sites.



There were a bunch of people that had been banned all at once. I'm still on there though it's not the same. I did take a several month hiatus from there last year.

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Sat 05/24/08 11:39 AM
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Sat 05/24/08 11:30 AM
Thank you for all the warm welcomes flowerforyou

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Sat 05/24/08 11:12 AM
Hi 62

Hi Jonny

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Sat 05/24/08 11:10 AM
Hi Etrain

Hi Link

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Sat 05/24/08 11:09 AM

Hmmm...you do look familiar.....



So do you...CS?

Though I can't recall what your name was

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Sat 05/24/08 11:08 AM
Oly Oly Oxen Free....Where are my long lost pals?

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Sat 05/24/08 11:04 AM
I'm new around here, but I do know quite a few of the members here from another site.

So I just wanted to say Hi :smile:

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Sat 05/24/08 10:56 AM
Edited by Serenity1971 on Sat 05/24/08 10:57 AM


Anyway, back to marriage and same-sex unions, biblically speaking....
1Corinthians 7:29-40.
It is long and wish rather that you read it and I not need to write it.flowerforyou
ONLYIN THE LORD, we are reminded, as Christians, though we may be married, to be as though we weren't,
minding the things of God, and not the tings of the world.
OK?
All of 1Corinthians 7 is about marriage, towards the Church of Jesus Christ, specifically.
So, 1Cor7:2, Paul writes this to the Church, Nevertheless, to avoid FORNICATION, l3et every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
It doesn't say, to tops and bottoms, it says, to men and women.:wink:
Homosexual marriage does not fit in the Church of Jesus Christ.
Why bother to try to fit it in, then, when in other scriptures there is a clear path to follow for all others that will be found as either welcome or not in eternity as Jesus depicts his judgement? (Matthew 25:31-46. is what all others may have faith in if they choose to remain in their predilections)

See what I mean?


peaceflowerforyou :heart: bigsmile




Ok for a start I dont agree with same-sex marriage. In fact I dont agree with marriage at all! So, Im not going to argue that point with you.
Get married only for the papers and for the sanity of the kids.

But we are not talking about same-sex unions.

We are debating whether Jesus was gay.
The debate has moved onto whether homosexuality is sin.

There are three major parts to Mark 7.

The first (Mark 7:1-13) is the accusation of the Pharisees that the Apostles do not follow the traditions of the elders, which set the stage for the words of Jesus.

In that segment, Jesus pointed out that the Pharisees were wrong, gave examples, and expanded the context to far beyond the original incident.

The second (Mark 7:14-16) are the words of Jesus to EVERYONE, where Jesus provides a test which can be used for ALL of the traditions which match -- and the anti-gay traditions are a perfect match.

In the 3rd part, Jesus speaks to the Apostles, who apparently do not want to believe that the words of Jesus were as all-inclusive as they actually were.

Jesus makes it quite clear that he did not misspeak in his original comment

So, the application of Mark is a true test that Jesus condones homosexuality.

Which could, by definition, mean that he was a homosexual.



You're going to make me start spouting aren't you!?!

You and I have gone round and round many a time on this book of tales, fables and rewritten farces. (in my opinion of course)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality and it's a shame that we being in the 21st century that there are some that can't accept others for who they are.

So what if Jesus was a homosexual...And basing it on the biases that people have in this day and age if he was a homosexual it's not surprising that he was crucified.

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