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Tue 01/01/08 04:25 PM

but you cant make someone change there mind based on facts always
Listen, if facts aren't enough to change someone's mind, then they are to be distrusted and dismissed; facts are exactly that. Everyone's got an opinion, but facts don't change. If they are guiding their life strictly by emotion or opinion, they are not someone I care to share much time with.


Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.
-Mark Twain


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Tue 01/01/08 04:22 PM

the average alcohol drinker 1-3 drinks a month
That's not what I wrote, but thanks for twisting it to suit your agenda.

1-3 drinks when they drink. 1-3 times a month.


I wasn't going to say anything... but yes, they did twist it.

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Tue 01/01/08 04:19 PM


if the problem with weed is that its illegal well i say its time we legalized it we could sure use the money especally considering how fast our alcohol drinking government is pissing it down the nearest urinal ..if people are going to smoke it no matter what, wouldnt be best if we were the ones seeing the profit...ENUFF SAID


Eh, legalizing weed would make things a lot easier.
but at the same time, legalizing weed isn't the best choice.
you should look into this.


And you also have to remember that if our country made weed legal, the government would lose a big chunk of power they have over us.

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Tue 01/01/08 04:18 PM

if the problem with weed is that its illegal well i say its time we legalized it we could sure use the money especally considering how fast our alcohol drinking government is pissing it down the nearest urinal ..if people are going to smoke it no matter what, wouldnt be best if we were the ones seeing the profit...ENUFF SAID


Eh, legalizing weed would make things a lot easier.
but at the same time, legalizing weed isn't the best choice.
you should look into this.

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Tue 01/01/08 04:14 PM
The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.
- Ronald Reagan

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Tue 01/01/08 04:07 PM





I can understand that.
I do think though that if you were to find a really good guy who wants to support you and your kid, but the only problem is he smokes weed... you could overlook it if he were to do it in private and never around you or your kid.
I don't know. That's a good topic to debate about.

How about stop smoking the weed? Why would anyone want to put there childs life endanger by allowing them to be around a pot head. I'm talking about a daily weed smoker as you proclaim. I don't want my children riding in a car with someone thats stoned. How would it make you feel if you found a nice women. You convince her that your daily pot smoking is harmless.Then child services grabs her kids because you were in a car accident and tested positive for pot.All I hear is that everyone should make exceptions for you.You hit the key note on why people don't want to date a daily pot smoker.Your getting high comes before anyone else.At certain points in our lives we all stop to figure out what is important,and the direction we want to go.Hey when I'm retired and I'm traveling I might even light one up.As for now my priorities aren't about getting high.


You are missing the point all together.
First off, I smoke every day simply because I choose to.
Can I stop? Yes.
Do I want to? I don't mind.
Am I still able to live a normal life? You bet.

At this current time, I will smoke pot.
Maybe a year from now I'll be clean.
I do not know... but I do know that I have the choice to stop whenever I feel like I need to.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:43 PM


Simple. I get an idea, I start working with that idea, and I come to my own conclusion (not based on the other person's view)
Like, for instance, the idea that marijuana has no adverse affect on you? Or the idea that the government created the illegal drug trade?


Well, obviously the government created the illegal drug trade. MJ didn't used to be illegal so the trade of it wouldn't be illegal either, as soon as the government passed a law prohibiting it that trade would now be illegal...thus creating the illegal drug trade.

I used to smoke a lot of pot, I quit last year. I'm not really against it but I just didn't want to keep spending money on it. I don't think that MJ makes you dumb or retards your brain to any large degree. I used to smoke daily in college and scored somewhere in the top 85th percentile on my MCATs. I've smoked daily for about 8-9 years and I still score about the same on IQ tests as I did before I smoked pot. I don't feel like I retain any less information or that I have a harder time grasping things than I used to.

I'm more opposed to the lack of studies on the medicinal effects that THC might have than the legality or illegality of it. Recent studies done by Harvards division of experimental medicine have shown that cannabinoids found in pot decreased lung tumors in mice by up to 50% and severely inhibited it's ability to metastisize. There have also been similar studies done showing that cannabinoids inhibit angiogenesis of tumors in glioblastoma which is one of the most aggresive forms of brain cancer. Angiogenesis is the formation of new blood vessels to feed cancerous cells, by inhibiting this you starve cancer cells. These studies have been peer reviewed and published.

Just because a lot of irresponsible idiots might smoke pot doesn't mean that pot made them idiots or irresponsible. I always did all my school work and waited till I was done with work before sparking up.


couldn't have been said any better.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:40 PM

i have a seven yr old son and a pot smoker or a drunk would not be the type of male role model I would want my son exposed too.I don't give a **** what other people do with their lives but I do care when it has the potential to screw mine and my sons up.


I can understand that.
I do think though that if you were to find a really good guy who wants to support you and your kid, but the only problem is he smokes weed... you could overlook it if he were to do it in private and never around you or your kid.
I don't know. That's a good topic to debate about.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:38 PM

Nah. I've came to my own conclusions
Well hell boy, you're gonna be rich! Able to come to conclusions all on your own! Doctors, scientists, politicians; they pale in comparison to your skills of deduction!

Seriously, anyone can "reach their own conclusion" but without facts, which you can't possibly get without research, your "conclusions" are nothing more than speculation.


Yes. I'll be so rich that I can buy the country.

Moving on.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:37 PM

I like how you say. "you can smoke weed and still get a excellent job" Do you smoke weed and have a excellent job? Most people want to know a person is secure.It sounds like you upset because someone that is accomplished refuses to be with someone that is unaccomplished. You say that a smart person would know when a test is coming. Well sometimes people get hurt on the job and there is no time to clean up. As far as owning nice things and raising children they may possibly become a governor. Why not! It's all about choices. If you want to say hey I didn't sell out to the man. I smoke weed daily and my life is great. Then why does it matter. I'm not going to loose my freedom so someone can stay high.Example. I'm not willing to go to jail because someone left a seed or a roach in my car.I'm not going to lose my house because my partner bought or sold weed and gets busted.


I wouldn't consider 24 year old women that are still in college and like to go to bars with their friends very accomplished.

I am not upset over anything at all.
I made a general question based on some thoughts of mine.
I notice that a lot of these people that you call accomplished really aren't. Even though they do not want pot smokers, I still do not want to be with them based on their personality and not choices.

I could care less if someone didn't want me because of weed.
Fine by me. I'd like to remain a swinger.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:34 PM

Why do I prefer to not date a person who smokes weed?


I guess because of the related history for me. I grew up in the late 60's early 70's by the beach....pick a drug, they were around noway

My younger brother suffers with Marijuana induced schizophrenia, (yes he has a genetic weakness there in the first place, with a family history of mental illness....I don't, I'm adopted:wink: )...Directly related to the vast amounts of pot he smoked from age 14 through to now.

With the high levels of thc, and other chemicals used in making Hydro, there are plenty of permanent mind altering risks associated with pot smoking.

Also not to just single marijuana as the demon weed, there are plenty of other nasties around, like ICE, that can twist a mind permanently.

My kid's father was a huge pot smoker, and the mood swings that appeared when he had 'dry spells' were downright frightening.

In all fairness, I will not bring anyone into my world who have any addictions, I have kids, so no habitual drinking, even the daily beer after work, and the three after dinner, will I welcome in my home.

People can do what ever they like, I just prefer not to have it (alcohol or pot) in or around my home or my children.






Thank you for your thoughts.
That is exactly an answer I wanted to hear.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:33 PM

So, how are you going to sit here and tell me on and on again that Weed is terrible?
I know weed is bad. I get that.
I'm not merely telling you that "weed is bad". I haven't spent my entire life hearing that it's bad and based my decision on that. I have done extensive research on the subject so that when my children reach the age I should be concerned about their potential use I have already given them relevant data.

I am aware that there have been documented cases of improvements in various aspects of health. Yet, the totality of these cases pales in comparison to the number of documented cases of deteriorated health as a result of usage.

The point you just proved that you missed is that you have been doing research, which has been written with a particular judgement. Your research has been clouded by those judgements. Your judgement has been clouded by that clouded research.
Etc.
Etc.


Nah. I've came to my own conclusions.
I would like to go back to the original post now.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:21 PM

Simple. I get an idea, I start working with that idea, and I come to my own conclusion (not based on the other person's view)
Like, for instance, the idea that marijuana has no adverse affect on you? Or the idea that the government created the illegal drug trade?


Pensi per lei. Sia un individuo.

Has no adverse affect on me? Of course I know it does.
but wait a second. Your information is just about as relevant as mine.
Let's say that you have always heard that weed was bad.
Because of that, you feel that weed is bad based on studies you have seen or heard from someone else.
Now, let's say that I believed that Weed was absolutely terrible until I hit the age of 16. Now, since I have been smoking weed now... going onto 6 years... I've been doing my own research on the good and bad of Weed.

So, how are you going to sit here and tell me on and on again that Weed is terrible?
I know weed is bad. I get that.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:16 PM

I've learned that if I learn things on my own without having someone's judgement to cloud it, I can actually understand my world.
How exactly do you go about learning things on your own without having someone else's judgement to cloud it? Read books? Author's judgement. Read the newspaper? Author's judgement. Listen to the radio? Announcer's judgement.

And don't get me started on the companies and corporations that employ said authors or announcers.

Please, explain how you learn without sources of information that aren't "tainted" with judgement?


Simple. I get an idea, I start working with that idea, and I come to my own conclusion (not based on the other person's view)

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Tue 01/01/08 03:12 PM

I wonder... was it the weed or is it just because I am prone to spelling errors every now and again?
I don't know. But can you say without a shadow of a doubt that your usage did not create and/or contriute to the problem? That your continued usage is the reason for your continued misspelling?


Not at all. I've been chatting online for 10 years. Before I started smoking, I had typos. When I began to smoke, my errors would actually get better. If they did not get better, they were the same.
I don't care if I make a mistake. I type fast. I don't have the time to correct small mistakes.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:10 PM
Edited by infectious_witch on Tue 01/01/08 03:10 PM

I don't know.
I don't watch TV.
And TV is the only source for information?


Nah. I don't like to listen to a lot of people.
I've learned that if I learn things on my own without having someone's judgement to cloud it, I can actually understand my world.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:07 PM

If someone wants to smoke pot, and also get a good job, the person will know when he or she should not in case of the drug test.
The perfect example of the poor and/or lack of judgement that natrually accompanies drug use; I can stop doing it long enough to get hired.
The marijuana isn't going to imapre their performance in any way.
As it clearly did not impair your spelling.
If they were naturally not so bright and lazy, when they smoke weed they will probably be the same way.
However, if someone is already intelligent, if they are a hard worker, and they have the drive to do great things in their life, the weed is not going to change that.
Sorry, that's patently false. Their is significantly more evidence that disputes your position than arguments to support it.


Oh, no!
I made a spelling error. I wonder... was it the weed or is it just because I am prone to spelling errors every now and again?
don't believe me? go back and read my old stuff. I really don't care if I make the mistake. I am not perfect.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:05 PM

maybe so, to a point but do realize how many government officials, presidents and others are succesful and use illegal substances. not making excuses just a question to ponder
Yes, but also look how much they are raked over the coals. Who remembers how much Clinton went through for "not inhaling". Shrub has a known alcohol and cocaine past. These things weigh on voters minds, although seemingly heavier when it's a Democrat than reTHUGlican.

The point is, yes people do it and succeed, yes some successful people used to do it, etc. But how many of them have you EVER heard defending their decision to ever have done or continue doing it?


I don't know.
I don't watch TV.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:04 PM
I don't know.
I don't watch much TV.

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Tue 01/01/08 03:02 PM

So, I guess when it comes down to it,
Life really is about nice cars, a great job, and a family that will one day be the next Governors of the United States
Perhaps not. But life is about accepting that your choices are going to affect the rest of your life.

Marijuana users are significantly less likely to succeed to any noticable degree.

If you are content working jobs as were described, living with your parents or grandparents, never owning property, etc., more power to you.

But don't pretend that your choice to smoke "weed" shouldn't or won't affect your life in negative ways.

Personally, I think there is probably an argument to legalizing it to some extent. But it's not legal. As such, I would like to see all non-medical use prosecuted heavily.

Period.


You can smoke pot and you can still get an excellent job.
If someone wants to smoke pot, and also get a good job, the person will know when he or she should not in case of the drug test.

The marijuana isn't going to imapre their performance in any way.
If they were naturally not so bright and lazy, when they smoke weed they will probably be the same way.
However, if someone is already intelligent, if they are a hard worker, and they have the drive to do great things in their life, the weed is not going to change that.

It's almost like marijuana is this big scary monster that is going to ruin your journey, called Life.

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