No you did not Funches lol. You think God doesn't know who/what he forms or creates or something? Yes God creates us, then forms us in the womb. What are you going on about? That has absolutely nothing to do with the Word or anything.

again what are you talking about? He was separated from God because of your sin, because of my sin, because of everyone's sin. Which he then defeated and returned to his father in Heaven. He is no longer separated from God. Was only separated for that little time being.

Incorrect Funches. God knows everything, everyone before they are "formed". But nevertheless they do not exist till they are "formed". How can something exist before it is formed?

Jesus is God, I used "God" as a generic term for his father in that statement.

And when Jesus was on the cross and absorbed all our sins into him, he was separated from the Father. Thus why he felt forsaken and is why he said "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me".

See you're still stuck on that Funches. Just because God gave the prophecy of it, doesn't mean that's the reason it happened. The prophecies are foreknowledge of something that God knows will take place.

Again as I showed, Mary was totally and completely ok with it, she said let it be done. If she wouldn't have been ok with it, there would never have even been a prophecy of it with her in the first place.

There is no "facts" here. A woman cant, nor will she ever bare a child without a mans sperm. Anything short of this fact is mere religious beliefs.

If it would have been against her will, she would never have had to do it. She was a God loving woman, and she even specifically told him let your will be done.

Luke 1

38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

She even specifically said for it to happen. The angel came to her and told her, she said ok, let it happen. I do not entertain what if's, fact is she was ok with it, THEN she was conceived with Jesus. If she would not have been ok with it, it would never have happened. But again, she said let it be done.

lol no Funches. Your spirit does not even exist until it is formed in the womb. That is what it means by being formed in the womb. Jesus' spirit was already formed before, and it merely entered Marry's womb. And is why you'll not find a passage saying Jesus was formed in the womb.

Sin separates us from God, and when Jesus was crucified taking all our sins on him, he then was separated from God as well. Thus why he said why hast thou forsaken me. But then he defeated what had separated him from the father and rose from the grave to return to Heaven.

Explain how it took his free will away. What did it force him to do without his consent or force him not to do something.

Adam was lonely, so God made him a spouse. The how's matters none. It did not force Adam to do anything he did not want to do nor did it restrict him from doing anything. Again, after again, after again, that is the ONLY thing free will pertains to, one's actions.

Again "intervening" means forced upon, forced without the someone not being ok with it. Show where Marry had an objection to it.

She was filled with the Holy Spirit, show where she refused to carry the child in any way shape or form. I again can show where she was ok with it.

It would ONLY be considered intervening if she was not ok with it.

No, we are just that "formed" in the womb. Jesus was not "formed" in the womb. So no, we are not in existence before we are formed in the womb, where'd you get that notion?

??? How is that even possible to show Funches? In your eyes everything Jesus did, he did because he was "forced", because he was a "puppet". That is purely brought on through your preception, no one could show you anything to change that.

And explain why Jesus would even be crying out "the father and I are one". Please make sense with your comments funches.

okay.. I concede.. you keep changing the rules

firstly.. he could have.. but he didn't.. if GOD wanted human females to have the ability to be re-virginized.. he'd have created us with it originally

secondly.. if you're suggesting a WHAT IF scenario.. that's different.. but that's not what happened to Mary.. she didn't go to sleep for 9 months so that moots your "coma" theory..

RE-virginized? I'm not familiar with that reference, sorry

but to answer the question simply..? abortion

Yes Jesus did pop out of a womb for the lack of better terminology lol. But that was because Mary was filled with his spirit, his spirit "him" was already in existence. It's just he went into her womb through the Holy Spirit to take on the flesh. He was no "created".

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Rejecting the Father's will and free will have no connection to one another.

And now you're still forgetting Jesus said "The Father and I are one". And again the term translated here is referring to wills, desires. Jesus did the father's will because it was his will as well.

I have read the bible from cover to cover.. I perceived it to be a novel, translated and written by man.. but that's another topic all together.. don't misunderstand though.. I have been tested and responded how I saw fit(by choice) and seemly chose correctly.. so I guess you could say I passed.. unless one perceives being alive as failure..



I don't recall anything about 'stealing ribs'..

but maybe too, he just didn't have time to explain the 'birds 'n bees' while creating them..

and for the record.. aren't "prophecy's" just someones interpretations of how certain events will unfold?

Again, the two have nothing to do with one another eg., taking of Adam's rib and free will.

It did not physically force Adam to do anything. That is all free will is, is YOUR ability to do any action you wish to physically do. God could have taken his arm, his leg, the hair off his head, matters none, point still remains it didn't force Adam to do an action nor did it restrict him from doing anything. Therefore no free was taken away.

And even at that, if God stopped every "evil" thing to happen, what would there be to be judged on?