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Mon 06/15/20 06:37 PM



It seems that the new rule for the police is never shoot anyone who isn't an immediate mortal danger to you or someone in the immediate vicinity. What the criminal did in the past or may do in the future is not relevant. Now we need legislation to protect the police from liability when they let someone who resists arrest run away.

For instance the Friday night death in Atlanta. The police could have just given him a summons for DUI and let him go. Had he stumbled into the street and gotten killed by a car, the police would be sued. Had he went home angry and beat up his wife, the police would have been sued. Had he hijacked a car and then killed someone on the road, the police would have been responsible. Why did he resist arrest when it became obvious they were going to take him in and book him? Was there an arrest warrant out for him? Was he not who he claimed to be? It seems that most black men that have been killed by police were either fighting with the officers or running away. What were they trying to hide? Normal people do not resist arrest for most crimes.
I've seen the quietest people you could meet resist arrest before. Doesn't mean they deserve to be killed, or shot though for doing so. People react differently, to things. If what you said here is what you really believe, then you really have a strange way of viewing the World. Compassion and common sense, are sorely lacking in your mindset, believe me!


I have personally not heard of such lawsuits being waged or won either.

People, in the end, get held responsible for their own crimes. The answer is not death to avoid lawsuits that would try to argue differently, especially not one that would argue they should kill a person rather than let them run away and 'possibly' cause a car accident or commit some other crime. AS long as they make reasonable effort to DETAIN, (not kill) there is no liability.








It is not that they should kill the suspect so there won't be a lawsuit!! The issue is preventing a lawsuit or holding the police responsible if they do let someone free and someone gets injured or killed. Why do police, when they discover a DUI, arrest the person, take them in and book them in jail, and then have their vehicle impounded? In order to get them out of jail, someone has to come, show they are not intoxicated, and then sign an agreement to take responsibility for the DUI recipient. At least that is the way Minnesota operates.

In the Atlanta case, why didn't they just issue a citation and a summons; take his drivers license, take his car keys, and then let him go wherever he wanted to? Probably not what the law allows them to do.

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Mon 06/15/20 05:58 AM
It seems that the new rule for the police is never shoot anyone who isn't an immediate mortal danger to you or someone in the immediate vicinity. What the criminal did in the past or may do in the future is not relevant. Now we need legislation to protect the police from liability when they let someone who resists arrest run away.

For instance the Friday night death in Atlanta. The police could have just given him a summons for DUI and let him go. Had he stumbled into the street and gotten killed by a car, the police would be sued. Had he went home angry and beat up his wife, the police would have been sued. Had he hijacked a car and then killed someone on the road, the police would have been responsible. Why did he resist arrest when it became obvious they were going to take him in and book him? Was there an arrest warrant out for him? Was he not who he claimed to be? It seems that most black men that have been killed by police were either fighting with the officers or running away. What were they trying to hide? Normal people do not resist arrest for most crimes.

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Sun 06/14/20 02:13 PM
It is like the same no matter who is on each side. Those who are innocent and just trying to make their way through life pay the biggest price. Conflict, be it ethnic, racial, or religious, can not be resolved until both sides are willing to find a mutually beneficial solution. Killing and mutual destruction benefits no one other than a few warring political leaders.

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Sat 06/13/20 07:36 AM
How would you define each of the following:

1. Racial justice

2. Social justice

3. Economic justice

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Thu 06/11/20 08:48 PM


Let me ask this: If cities and states ban police from using certain physical restraints that could cause death and an officer is dealing with someone physically superior resisting arrest, what action do you expect the officer to take? Please be specific!
I agree with harmony ... I expect the officer to

Be trained in risk assessment , conflict resolution and to safely engage in challenging situations .

To recognise when they do not have control of a situation .. to back down if safety is compromised or call for backup .

To use appropriate deescalation techniques and culturally safe communication.

To know how to safely defend themselves when there is a physiological difference or threat .

To React professionally and ethically .

George Floyd complained of feeling claustrophobic ...( a condition often associated with panic and fear ...) he was “pulled “ from the vehicle ... I would expect the risk assessment of that situation to consider the consequence of his state of mind and functioning at that point .

He did not have a weapon .. he was not combative or aggressive . Why they felt the need to restrain him in the manner they did is not clear . I am sure their rationale and motivation will come out in the legal proceedings .





It seems that there is more to this story than just a cop and an attempt to arrest Floyd. Should be interesting when all the investigation is done and the real story comes out.

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Wed 06/10/20 07:07 PM
Let me ask this: If cities and states ban police from using certain physical restraints that could cause death and an officer is dealing with someone physically superior resisting arrest, what action do you expect the officer to take? Please be specific!

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Sun 06/07/20 10:58 AM
It will not! As long as there are people who want to fight with others or injure others, there will be people who will try to kill them. Break into someone's home who is armed, and the chances are the police will find a dead body after they are called. Attack a policeman or fight during an arrest and something bad might happen to you.

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Sun 06/07/20 06:38 AM
Defunding the police will be great for gun sales and conceal/carry training!

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Fri 06/05/20 06:10 AM

Laughing at trump holding up a bible in front of the church (after the area was gassed ). It was like a scene from omen pitchfork
Oh, you mean that church the protesters tried to burn down? I thought we had federal laws about burning churches? Something about religious discrimination?

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Tue 06/02/20 02:56 PM
Until we as a society are willing to enter into meaningful dialogue and understand where the other is on racism, we never will make any significant progress toward ending it!

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Sun 05/31/20 09:04 AM

I see a lot of racists under this post...
Why are y'all shying away from the truth?
What Chauvin did was wrong...and in my own words he should be charged with first degree murder!
Just because we hate the violent, destructive so called "protests" does not mean we agree with what that officer did. A major part of the racial problem is the unwillingness to discuss and understand where the other side of the issue is. You are a young man without much experience yet and a whole life ahead of you. Become willing to be part of the solution and not part of the problem! Until you are receptive to having meaningful, open discussion, you will remain a part of the problem!!!!!

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Sun 05/31/20 06:23 AM

Global Warming...Black Death..Race Wars...Donald Trump...

Everything will kill you...

and yet we're all still here...

fake news is more detrimental than fake profiles.
Yes, there are many things that can cause our death. Some of us try to limit the risks in the hope that we might live a few more years!

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Sat 05/30/20 07:07 AM
There is a percentage of society that causes most of the problems and actually most of them are repetitive. These are the dregs the police and courts deal with on a day by day basis. If you are a law enforcement officer you deal with these people most everyday and when most of them are of a certain minority in your community, you start to make an association between that minority and crime. It becomes especially bad when you or a fellow officer is attacked or injured by someone in that minority. It makes you much more cautious and forces you to take more aggressive action. The unfortunate result of this are the members of that minority who are honest, good people get lumped in with the trash and treated as such. The larger the percentage of trash in that minority, the more of that minority that is going to be discriminated against by the police as well as the general public.

Do not confuse this as a race issue because you see the same situation in communities that have very few or no minorities. It is just some other demographic characteristic that identifies that group of trash people that the police and society in general discriminates against.

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Thu 05/28/20 01:54 PM
Has anyone any experiences with boating the Texas intercoastal waterway? I'm exploring the idea of spending some time living on it in a boat.

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Thu 05/28/20 01:50 PM

Good to see the UK is finally starting to do better!

We stay under 200 new cases a day now, thank goodness. Now wait for it to go under 100.

As for Australia doing relatively well compared to many other countries...
"They" say because they had early and solid lockdown. But reading what they did and when it is not really any different from what other countries did at all.
It could have to do with better lockdown compliance from the masses. I think in countries like Australia many are used anyways to be by themselves a lot, do home schooling and so on.
Then again, Swedes apparently also are very good at lockdown compliance yet they too got high numbers.
I think somehow remoteness can play a role in things. And the fact both AUS and NZ are islands and very easily locked down.
But then... Belgium had a serious lockdown. All roads in and out were totally blocked off, and I believe often even guarded. You couldn't even get in or out with a bicycle.
Yet they didn't do well at all.

So what would be the deciding factor? Remoteness seems the most logical. But maybe we'll never find out.
There are many factors affecting the transmission but population density is significant. When you are in a situation where you are only exposed to a few people for a short period of time, the transmission rate is very low.

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Wed 05/27/20 09:19 AM

Oldkid

I never trust people to protect me!

Oftentimes criminals don't even get locked up, less known a person not wearing a Mask!

Unfortunately, people don't realize seriousness of COVID-19.

In USA it's political motivated agenda now!
IF you don't trust other people such as the government to protect you then you have no need for a lock down as you can depend on yourself to protect you!

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Wed 05/27/20 06:11 AM

Approximately 4900 dead in my State from COVID-19. Over 100,000 cases . State is Huge 99 counties.

Fortunately our Governor has it lockdown through July right now.

Could change if numbers go down. Information comes from our Governor when he speaks in Chicago with public health director present.
You can either trust people to learn and do the right things or lock them up to protect the public and themselves.

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Mon 05/25/20 07:20 AM
How come sometimes when I attempt to make a forum post my post disappears because of some verification failure? Please find a fix as it is very frustrating to write a decent post and have it just disappear!!

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Sun 05/24/20 09:30 PM

masks won't stop you from getting sick...that is the first hoax they need to debunk
I don't think any reputable source has suggested wearing one will protect you from others. You wearing your mask is to protect me and others around you from getting the virus from YOU!!!! Hmmm.... I wonder if you not wearing a mask when you are infected and infecting me would be considered a crime or the basis for a lawsuit??

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Fri 05/22/20 06:35 AM
Masks.....oh my, where to start?
1st let's separate masks from respirators: Respirators are face coverings that actually protect the wearer from viruses and environmental hazards. We see them in healthcare and industry. The most common is approved as a N95, N100, or KN95 for EU standards. There are also several other types used in industry. These will protect you from the corona virus but are in very short supply. It is recommended these be reserved for those in healthcare dealing with the virus.

Face masks or face coverings are of much lower value in protecting you from getting infected. Depending on the quality of the face covering - 50% or less. What they do accomplish is reducing the amount of the virus you exhale when you are infected. This is very important in that there is a period of time between when you can infect others and you feel ill. Most of what I have read would indicate this is around 2 days in most cases. During those 2 days you possibly infected anyone physically close to you; THIS IS WHAT YOU PREVENT WHEN YOU WEAR YOUR MASK!! Your mask absorbs the moisture from your nose and mouth preventing that moisture from carrying the virus to those close by you. Personally I would be very angry with someone I found out infected me by their disregard for my well being!!!

PLEASE DO YOUR PART TO PROTECT THOSE AROUND YOU. I'm sure most of us would feel very upset if we were possibly responsible for the death of someone especially a friend or family member.

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