“Illogical Captain”

The “mechanical” application of logic – famously championed by the half-Vulcan Mr. Spock from the television series Star Trek – appears alien to some, to others a sign of distinctively human rationality.




Even Spock was known to be wrong at times. Good old Captain Kirk has shown it in a few episodes.

Why are the pretty ones always having health problems

I wish you health and happiness

I remember talking about this on a thread and believe it could be very possible we had a sixth sense at one time a very long time ago for survival purposes.

Thank you for taking the time to reply to the questions. They sound great

Anymore takers to keep this thread alive?

I love coffee, but I realize it isn't that good for you and have found tea to be great also.

I try to drink coffee only on weekends now and tea throughout the week.

In Scotland they put cream in their tea. That is something I do occassionally also now.

Concerning jobs overseas that corporations set up.

I also know that the stores such as Gap, Nike, and other big corporations in were you can wear that shirt you are probably wearing are created by the poorest countries that have no law of how long a worker needs to work. They go by delivery. If the US wants a million gap shirts in two weeks then the staff has to work 36 hours straight before getting actual time off for a few hours under no air conditioning, no breaks, no complaints and for less then a dollar a day. Since the demand is high in Europe and America the long hours is persistent all year round.

And yes it is 36 hours at a time. This is no exaggeration.

Those who work in those conditions just earn enough to buy sticky rice and some old salty fish for their family. They have no health care and if so they can't afford it and their basic neccesseties are beyond hygiene and acceptable.

Yet we don't care because we have nice boot boots or a nice pink shirt for our children.

So yes, most Americans as of Europeans don't care and turn their heads and those who do care are usually silenced quickly or ousted out of the media quickly.

I do so happen to know the pay wage they get. For example just outside of Miami illegal immigrants, which are Argentinians, Nicargua, Hondurus, and Mexicans earn 40 dollars the whole day picking oranges.

They start at 8 am all the way until 6 pm in the hot sun.

I don't see any Americans doing that for a living.

If you want to see a good documentary that isn't demorcratic or republican but just tells it how it is then watch "Fast Food Nation".

There you will get more examples of how illegals get jobs through the help of coyotes supported silently by corporations and what kind of money they make.

Construction is at 70 dollars for many of them. They work very long hours over here past 12 hours with breaks.

So yes I am aware of the workforce without checking the internet or watching the corporate news in which I never do anyway. The majority who do these jobs are also latinos.

And yes they get no benefits whatsoever, which is lucrative for corporations, but inhumane for most people who think about it.

Well I guess there is only one way to find out right. I hope for your case that you are right that Americans will get up and start doing those jobs for the prices asked for.

Those jobs will be done for the lowest wages. Will Americans do it?

Yes and that is why Americans sit home and let those immigrants do the work for a low price. The corporations are satisfied.

If they are forced to raise the wages, provide healthcare, pay taxes, and other costs they will go to China or India to where they don't have to do this or at least not too much.

Americans can go on the streets right now and protest. What will happen? Perhaps the government will enforce corporations to pay fair wages to sustain here in the country, but will the corporations comply? I don't think they will go against the governments will if they had to, but they will find a way to bring their business else where as you are seeing at the moment.

So now what do you do? What would be a better alternative?

You have either the choice to work for lower wages to make somekind of money or you have the corporations leave the country and the Americans would have to rebuild small or medium size businesses like we knew them in the 50s. I figure this won't happen either.

As long as other countries are willing to work for very low prices corporations will take advantage of it.

Obama admits that perhaps another stimulus package will be needed. The question is will the people agree to it. Well actually not the people but Congress.


Here is a interesting question though.

Let us say the stimulus package didn't go through. What would have happened to the corporations. They would go bankrupt leading to more unemployment. Is this correct?

If so this means the unemployment rate would have been higher.

Now since the Republicans didn't support the stimulus package what would have been their alternative to ensure that the unemployment rate would have been lower as it is today?

You see either way unemployment rate would probably have went up anyway without the help (or if you call it that) of the government.

The corporations were planning anyway to send most of their factories to China or India. It was enivitable that their greed to save money on work labor, taxes, and costs by getting people who work for little money.

Are Americans willing to work for such low wages. If they did then the employment rate would have fallen, but the people would not be happy for they couldn't afford basic neccessities.

So now what?

Do you see how the government is giving the run arounds on us?

Americans don't want illegal immigrants that work for low prices. Americans themselves will not work for lower prices. So what will be the strategy be for a mega corporation? It is simple. They just send their factories overseas for a numerous of reasons to ensure profit for their company.

Illegal immigration then slows down a little pleasing the Americans, yet the Americans complain there is no work!

As business declines the dollar falls leading to less stability for the nation. Without innovative ideas and inventions the world wants to have then you will fall out of the competition.

So America looks vividly for talented folks with inventions and gives them special visas to create them here in America. They try to make them American citizens and claim the invention for themselves. That is fine with me. Those inventors come because they are offered good money, better then what they perhaps would have had in their country.

These inventions are then patented and sold as profits worldwide to ensure a work labor and decline on the unemployment rate.

This keeps America going also you know, but now many inventors go to Europe instead.

So here we have all kinds of problems going on.

Simple solutions? No there are not.

Yet I am confident the US will find a way regardless how divided it is on opinions on a great deal of subjects. If not then don't be surprised if America isn't the country that many want to do business with anymore. Fortunately, many countries depend on the US to do good so their country can do well also. That you still have, yet for how long?

Okay I do think it is unfair for those who wait in line to get a legal citizenship and are denied after doing everything they are suppose to do, whereas an illegal just hops a fence or crosses the border and finds a job through the help of a coyote.

I believe if the government truly wanted to stop illegal immigration they could have a long time ago. With a Army of almost a million is it? how can it not happen. Well we know why, or at least some of us do.

If the millions of illegals were to be sent home at this moment without notice, would you as an American pick tomatoes, potatoes, oranges, clean windows, pick up the trash, paint houses, clean windows, scrub toiletes, work at a meat slaughtering house, and do all the jobs that they are doing for the price they are working for?

So if you are then why aren't you? Why are you sitting at home refusing to work those jobs when nothing else is available?

If you are then my respects to you!

I know of one American who is working at a job for now until he can get his profession he went to school for. He cares less about his reputation and more about putting food on the table.

So in the long run, I think most Americans don't want to do those jobs. It is funny for you guys have done them for over 200 years! Now suddenly many don't want it anymore.

Then you complain about the country not doing well! Come on! What is it?

There was a famous quote Kennedy once said. I don't have the exact words, but he mentioned the following: Don’t ask what the country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country.
So this means doing those jobs that Central and South Americans don’t hesitate to do!

If the Americans agree on taking on those jobs then perhaps sending illegals back home is a good idea, yet if not then I would suggest that you find a different alternative for these hard working people.

Afterall, your ancestory also came here with nothing and made a country through hard work.

Well we have mixed emotions here. Some are bothered and others are okay with it. Divided as usual.

I believe that healthcare is a neccessity for everyone.

As soon as you say universal healthcare you are called a socialist.

I care less, then call me a socialist.

Because I believe everyone should have healthcare.

Why nations make it so difficult to have healthcare with thousands of pages to read eliminating those who can and those who can't have health insurance is just horrific.

I also don't like the idea that it is primarily used as a business profit. The FDA spends 1.4 million dollars a day trying to make sure that a universal health care will not happen.

I think both the Democrats and the Republicans don't have it right, because I don't like the competition at all when it comes to health care. It shouldn't be a health care competition. We are talking about health and lives here!

So in my opinion I like the idea that as soon as you get a social security card you also get a health care card. You don't pay for it and you are 100% insured.

Now you are asking how will it all be paid?

Taxes of course. But whoooaa! Hold on here a minute! Not more taxes. I can clearly understand that, because you have lost confidence in the government. Afterall, alot of the money doesn't go to the programs they promised you.

So yes we would have to fix the governments trust. How to do that? Well I have no clear answer, besides radical ones, so I will leave that be, but perhaps a creative and intelligent person can find a peaceful way in restoring trust to a government that truly should be working for the people and by the people.

So back to health care.

We all know how you feel about me. The socialist of mingle2 probably. And I care less. I think when it comes to health care and education it is a neccessity and not a privilige. That is just my opinion.

I would say raise the taxes just enough to cover everyone for healthcare to where every single American doesn't have to worry about finding a health care provider, worry if they will have enough coverage for any procedure they need, and know that they are 100% covered and insured. That is what I call caring truly for every citizen of your country.

Perhaps you don't have to raise the taxes if alot of the money is going into health care already. If so then restructure the health care how it is to really put it in use for the people.

Well what about the illegals? Shouldn't they get health care. Another good point!

I believe everyone should be entitled to health care, yet illegals that don't pay taxes shouldn't be entitled really. They are not giving back! Send them to the country where they belong. Now this sounds radical doesn't it.

Okay then don't send them back and make them legal, yet this is unfair for those who waited in line to become legal doesn't it.

So what to do with illegals who want to have health care. Well you have the two choices. Which one is better? That is something that should be voted on.

In the end when will America realize that health care is a neccessity and not a privilige? That so many Americans dispute about it is beyond me to tell you the truth.

Look at Germany, France, and many other countries in Europe. They don't have these huge disputes. They believe in a universal health care. The Americans don't want it because it would limit the capitalistic ability to earn alot of money in the industry. Why do you think lobbyist in this field fight so hard to influence Congress to think otherwise?

Well anyway that is my two cents of opinion and I would not be surprised how fast everyone will rebut it.

While you rebut this a young lady who has just been raped can't get medical attention for she doesn't have health care and if she does get medical attention she is suddenly in such a debt that it would take a quarter of her life to try to pay it back. And don't tell me well she should of got a health care insurance and that wouldn't have happened. Yeah right! The reason why she didn't get one is because she is trying to stay afloat with bills that she couldn't afford to buy one or perhaps she had preconditions to be denied a health care.

Supposingly Obama fixed that, yet I am sure the health care industry will find other excuses to deny coverage for Americans.

Good luck on the health care issue. All I say is that the Americans are really divided on this and that is why it will be at a stalemate all the time leaving individuals sick, dying, and stressed.

That is exactly what the FDA wants. How else would they make profits if everyone was healthy?

Well I pretty much got the answers I expected for this thread.

I wonder if I posed this question in a Russian or Chinese thread what kind of answers I would receive and what reasons would they be.

Well perhaps one day I can do this. Afterall, I am studying Mandarin for a good 2 years now. It will be interesting to see different opinions and dialogues on the subject.

Very good advice and interesting projects going on here at the workshop!

Does anyone often use the dictionary when writing? If so, what online dictionary could you suggest for new writers just starting in the arena?

May the studies of Wushu find the path for you

It is too early to tell, but I hope they make the finals. I am a Lakers fan!

Nevertheless, I think their competition will be fierce for they will not underestimate the Lakers anymore.

Everyone wants that championship.

The Suns look pretty good also this year and are having the best record at the moment on the West Coast.