It was once they got the pieces in place. Traded for Marshall Faulk.
Issac Bruce was already a darn good receiever. Drafted Torry Holt.
Trent Green was the starting QB....of course he went down and Kurt
Warner stepped in....the rest is history. Dick Vermeil was head coach,
and had been building the defense for a couple years already, so once
all the pieces fell into place on offense, there was no stopping the
Rams.

Once Detroit gets all offensive pieces in place...look out NFL. Your
defense looked pretty darn good against the Seahawks.....so there is
hope there on that side of the ball.

A solid offensive line...I think you guys have some good receivers and a
young RB with promise. But Jon Kitna ain't gonna cut it. He isn't bad,
but he ain't Trent Green or Kurt Warner, or Marc Bulger. Kitna can
manage a game, but the Lions need a QB for the future. Maybe they can
make a trade.

I tell you who would be lights out in Martz offense is Matt Schaub, Mike
Vick's backup in Atlanta. He's really a better passer than Vick, by
far, it's just Vick can run and comes with the hype. Schaub could start
for most teams, and is 25 years old. Bulger would be too. Maybe Billy
Volek, who SHOULD be starting for the Titans.

.....ask.

Where are the St. Louis area ladies?

Wow.....that's ugly, saying they have small cranks.......LOL

I don't know, but two of my ex's are nurses, and they put many a myth to
bed about everyone's crank being bigger than the other (black vs. white)
or (white vs. latino) etc..........they said there is big and small (and
average) in all ethnicity, and no one ethnicity was "bigger". They did
say there was one particular group that is consistantly small, but I'll
spare them the embarassment.....LOL.....none that I mentioned above.....

Thanks man.....you a Lions fan?

"PITTSBURGH STEELERS ALL THE WAY BABY!!!! WE ALWAYS KICK ASS, WE
PRACTICE 1ST HALF OF GAME, THEN SECOND HALF, WE FREAKIN TAKE OVER!!!"

Perhaps, and the Stoolers are a good team, but the refs hosed the
Seachickens in the SB last year....

I see the NFL shakin out like this...... *Wild Card

NFC East
Philadelphia Eagles
New York Giants *
Washington Redskins
Dallas Cowboys

NFC North
Chicago Bears
Minnesota Vikings
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers

NFC South
Carolina Panthers
Atlanta Falcons
New Orleans Saints
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

NFC West
Seattle Seahawks
St. Louis Rams *
Arizona Cardinals
San Francisco 49ers



AFC East
New England Patriots
Buffalo Bills
Miami Dolphins
New York Jets

AFC North
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cincinnati Bengals *
Baltimore Ravens *
Cleveland Browns

AFC South
Indianapolis Colts
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tenneessee Titans
Houston Texans

AFC West
San Diego Chargers
Denver Broncos
Kansas City Chiefs
Oakland Raiders

I hate to burst everyones bubble but this war was caused by....(drumroll
please) US...WILL

I think I know your reasoning.

1. Support of Saddam Hussein and Iraq against Iran in the 1980's.

2. Support of Afghanistan against the Soviet Union, again in the
1980's. Many of Bin Laden's ilk were in the resistance against the
USSR.

3. Support of Israel

4. Lashing out at certain Islamic nations for numerous reasons, while
turning a blind eye to Islamic nations that do the same......only they
are rich in oil.


1.) Support of Iraq and Saddam Hussein in the 80's was most likely a
decision of going with a lesser evil to control a much larger one.
(Iran) I don't think anyone can dispute that the Iran-Iraq war severely
hurt Iran. The decision paid off......until the invasion of
Kuwait.....and look now, Iran is rearing it's ugly head again......I
think the gov't was right, but could have gone about it differently.
Iran is right were it was in 1979 and the years leading up until the
Iran-Iraq war, only now, they are much more powerful, and they are close
to having nukes.

2.) Again, our policy disagreed with that of Afghanistan, but we're
talking about the Soviet Union here. Once again the UUSR was a menace,
and the Afghan regime a much lesser evil. Man, doesn't anyone remember
that the Soviet Union controlled half of Europe, half of Asia, and was
making gains in Central America? If you add China, you're talking more
than half the worlds population as communist.....

3.) The Arabs and Muslims vow death to Israel, they hate Israel more
than they hate us. We must protect her at all costs....IMO.

4.) This is just hypocracy on the part of the US government. Turning a
blind eye to Islamic republics that sell us oil, while lashing out at
others. I have no argument for that. We all know Washington has a
sizable mix of thieves, liars, and hypocrites.......but we are free.
IMO, I can only hope and pray for some leaders in Washington with
morals, values, and BALLS like Ronald Reagan had......

"Vodka is my drink of choice but if I HAD to chose a beer, Molson
Canadian Ice, we didn't invent beer in Canada, we just perfected it ;-)
"

Yeah, if you like Moose piss......LMAO............

uh huh.. Ya know why American beer and sex in a canoe are
similar??......cuz they are both fkin close to water lmfaoooo

You're alright man, glad you took that lightly...LOL.

Public Animal,

I won't get into a debate over the Christianity vs. Islam (actually I
will, but not here) If anyone attacks Christianity, I'll defend
it....BUT....

I want to say this to you, YOU are 100% right about the Catholics in the
Middle Ages. It was an evil, misguided, despicable thing they did. The
Crusades may as well have been Islamic Jihad. I'll leave it at that,
I'm not going to bash Catholicism, but I'll say this, I'm not defending
Christianity by defending Catholicism....because the gulf between true
Christianity and Catholicism is about as wide as the Gulf of Mexico....

I hope it goes well for you....if not, I wouldn't mind taking you
out....LOL

MynDLash,

"Imean how many of our
previous leaders had given a warning that we were coming? None that I
know of."

William Jefferson Clinton knew all too well about Bin Laden and the
terror netwroks.....it's well documented. He didn't have the balls to
attack him. Literally, we could have reached out and grabbed Bin
Laden......how sad.....

"Damn, I love smart, passionate men!

Thanks, stlram72, for starting this thread."

You're welcome JusKat......

....ya'll have made good points on all sides, but let me be blunt.
Whether you are Christian or Jew, (or atheist for that matter), black,
white, hispanic, etc.....in the US, Canada, Japan, France,
Britain......it doesn't matter, these evil bastards want to dominate
(actually eleminate) Western Civilization.

It's Islamic fascism.....pure and simple.

Anyone remember that Adolf Hitler wrote Mein Kampf? About 1929? In it
he spelled out his plan....in black and white for all to see. Europe
APPEASED him. America hated him but did nothing. (until Japan brought
it here) Even Russia "dealt" with him at first. The rest is
history....about 60-70 million dead people later. And he damn near
succeeded.

They have a plan. (Islamic fascists.)

They make it no secrect they want to destroy Israel and Western
Civilization.......

....just another crazy bunch of towel heads?

I think not.

It's Iran, they are the mastermind. Syria has fallen into step. Lebanon
is halfway there. Behind the scenes, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Yemen, UAE,
Pakistan, Indonesia, Sudan, Turkey, countries under former Soviet
control (like Uzbekistan).....the list goes on...they are all in this.
The reason Bush went into Iraq is because they want to make Baghdad the
capital of this Islamic power belt from Spain to Indonesia. Baghdad is
Babylon.....don't you people get it? Iraq is the cradle of
civilization. Abraham is from Iraq (Chaldeans) Eden was in Iraq.
Civialization sprang and grew from the Middle East, and the deciding end
will happen there. Even if you don't believe in Jesus, you have to ask
yourself......why always this turmoil in the Middle East?
Hmmmmm........

I mention Spain. Hah. Remember the Moors? Islamic. Ruled a good
swath of Spain for a long time. And what was once Islamic, is ALWAYS
Islamic according to their views. Wonder if there is any coincedence
that Madrid, Spain had a major terrorist attack?....they'll be comming
for Spain too....mark my words.

Back to Adolf Hitler and European APPEASEMENT. Kinda sounds like the
same thing today.......only fast forward 30 years. Wait? Only 30
years? Yeah, Sept 11, 2001 was 5 years ago, but the UN, Europe, and
everyone else has been "appeasing" these bastards since the 1960's.
Europe invented and perfected the art of stroking off the genitalia of
tyrants to appease them.....but even our beloved America is guilty.

It's not going end folks. There will be wars. There will be peace, but
it will be false, temporary peace. We are in the end times. But
ultimately, Almighty God will crush satanic Islam once and for
all.......unfortunately many will suffer until that day comes......

"Vodka is my drink of choice but if I HAD to chose a beer, Molson
Canadian Ice, we didn't invent beer in Canada, we just perfected it ;-)
"

Yeah, if you like Moose piss......LMAO............

It's understandable to be concerned with impoverished people in Mexico
and their living conditions. HOWEVER, it isn't our responsibility.....
it's the Mexican governments responsibility. Doesn't anyone know that
the Mexican government just scoffs (laughs their asses off) at our
concerns? They allow it to happen. They do nothing......

Illegals should be deported, end of story.

And I personally think we should close our borders.

If these people from Mexico can keep streaming into our country in
droves......don't you think the Islamic fundamentalists pick up on that?

Build a freakin 30 foot wall on the border if you have to, and the same
goes for Canada. Anyone remember how many terrorists got into the US
from Canada?

REMEMBER SEPTEMBER 11, 2001

GOD Bless:

.....The victims in New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania
.....The Families
.....The Police (NYPD)
.....The Firefighters (NYFD)
.....The brave Americans that resisted over PA.
.....The Armed Forces at home
.....The Armed Forces abroad fighting Islamic tyranny
.....The United States of America

Pray for

.....all of the above, plus our leaders in Washington, reguardless of
political affiliation, to do the right thing in protecting our country,
and our allies, and to snuff out the threat of terror, tyranny, jihad,
communism, fascism in the United States and around the globe....and
ALWAYS, ALWAYS FIGHT FOR FREEDOM!!!