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Alabama; McCain-61% Obama-39% Miss McCain-56.4% Obam-42% Lousiana McCain-58.6% Obama-39/9% SC McCain-53.8% Obama-44.(% Arkansas McCain-58.8% Obama-38.8% Georgia McCain-52.2% Obama-47% Tenn McCain-56.9% Obama-41.8% What's up with that? He won Tex by 12%. They were a slave state but the population is heavy white with a lot of Mex thrown in. Fla, VA and NC went to Obama. Fla, and NC barely, and VA by 6% If nothing the results of the 2008 election prove the south is now Republican leaning. |
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Alabama; McCain-61% Obama-39% Miss McCain-56.4% Obam-42% Lousiana McCain-58.6% Obama-39/9% SC McCain-53.8% Obama-44.(% Arkansas McCain-58.8% Obama-38.8% Georgia McCain-52.2% Obama-47% Tenn McCain-56.9% Obama-41.8% What's up with that? He won Tex by 12%. They were a slave state but the population is heavy white with a lot of Mex thrown in. Fla, VA and NC went to Obama. Fla, and NC barely, and VA by 6% are you stating that whites vote against blacks and vise versa? duh! what does that prove? your logic just makes no sense! |
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From PBS.ORG On November 6, 1860 Abraham Lincoln was elected President of the United States -- an event that outraged southern states. The Republican party had run on an anti-slavery platform, and many southerners felt that there was no longer a place for them in the Union. ... In his inaugural address, delivered on March 4, 1861, Lincoln proclaimed that it was his duty to maintain the Union. He also declared that he had no intention of ending slavery where it existed, or of repealing the Fugitive Slave Law -- a position that horrified African Americans and their white allies. Lincoln's statement, however, did not satisfy the Confederacy, and on April 12 they attacked Fort Sumter, a federal stronghold in Charleston, South Carolina. Federal troops returned the fire. The Civil War had begun It appears the secession may have been due to an anti slavery platform that was opposed. The WAR started because the confederacy did not believe Lincolns inauggaral promise not to mess with the slavery currently in progress and attacked Ft Sumter. Now I am sure there are many accounts and interpretations of this time in history, but I consider pbs to be one of the least slanted sources one can find. Ronny, you are right about the anti slavery and the republicans although Lincoln apparently was playing both sides to keep the peace. But lately, the republicans seem all about keeping the status quo and protecting the haves while letting the have nots rot. Yes The Republican party is a shell of it's former self and they once lived up to a portion of their platform and now rarely do any conservative thinking contrary to their promises! We can argue personal responability and social economics but harmony Republicans are not racists, poeple are racists! And democrats are not civil rights champions either! history shows that they are not. I know the civil rights bill of 1963 was monumental but in comparison to what the democrats did to black america prior to that is a far greater sin and peanuts! Not to mention if you look at the work it took of years of legislation to get to 1963. Not to mention the majority of the civil rights violation and crimes commited against african americans during the 1960's accured in the Democrat stronghold "the South" Democrat goveners and so on...... there hands are not clean! |
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I think he may be searching the black helicopter sites for ammo or he finally gave in he lost!
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It's impossible to have an intelligent debate on such an abbreviated post with so many misrepresented ideas as the op post. Not in a post 1000 times as long. The length and brevity of the post is evidence of it's inaccuracy and bias content. Let's start with 1854, The Republican party was founded in an attempt to break a series of ties within congress. Not slavery, but one more aligned with the Industrial North's attempts to gain Fed funding for road, bridge, and dock improvements. Improvements the Agricultural south thought was a waste of Fed taxes and sure to cause tax increases among all Americans. Yet funding that did not benefit the south. The impression you get is an excuse they used to gain congressional members to win the funding. The South took pride in being self sufficient. The North wanted free handouts. They wanted all Americans, Northern and Southern, to pay for the improvements only they needed for their industrial economy. okay 
slavery = self sufficieny interesting yes very interesting is it not? Typical independent no platform just monday morning quarterbacking! |
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I'm still trying to figure out how McCain won Miss, LA, Ark, and SC with an avg of 20% of the popular vote. When those states have a very high population of black American voters. I know they have Republican Govs, but did they possibly suppress the black vote? hold on lets stick to the issue of murder, slavery and slaughter of africans! I know you would love to change it to current events based on well thought out propaganda but lets stick to slavery and prove your point that slavery has nothting to do with democrats and civil rights is a democrat idea! |
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The Republican Party was an after thought. A bunch of oppurtunist who started a third Party. Lincoln wasn't even on the ballots in the south. By not being Lincoln was able to take the electorial vote. With only 40% of the popular vote. HUH???? all your stating is opinion! show me something that says slavery had nothing to do with the democrat party as you said you would! show me documents that prove your point of veiw! I provided the documented platform as printed in 1860 but you say thats inaccurate and and black helicopters where flying over the civil war!///////lol! |
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It's impossible to have an intelligent debate on such an abbreviated post with so many misrepresented ideas as the op post. Not in a post 1000 times as long. The length and brevity of the post is evidence of it's inaccuracy and bias content. Let's start with 1854, The Republican party was founded in an attempt to break a series of ties within congress. Not slavery, but one more aligned with the Industrial North's attempts to gain Fed funding for road, bridge, and dock improvements. Improvements the Agricultural south thought was a waste of Fed taxes and sure to cause tax increases among all Americans. Yet funding that did not benefit the south. The impression you get is an excuse they used to gain congressional members to win the funding. The South took pride in being self sufficient. The North wanted free handouts. They wanted all Americans, Northern and Southern, to pay for the improvements only they needed for their industrial economy. okay
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Your source, About us, HUMAN EVENTS is the news source President Reagan called his "favorite newspaper" and we still hold high the Reaganesque principles of free enterprise, limited government and, above all, a staunch, unwavering defense of American freedom. HUMAN EVENTS gives voice to the great conservative thinkers of our era -- Newt Gingrich, Michelle Malkin, L. Brent Bozell, Terence Jeffrey, Bruce Bartlett, Thomas Sowell, David Limbaugh, Oliver North, Pat Buchanan and many more. HUMAN EVENTS is the periodical in which the peerless Ann Coulter, author of the smash bestseller, Guilty, drives multicultural defeatists up the wall. (Recent sample: "Baby formula doesn't kill people. Islamic fascists kill people.") HUMAN EVENTS is the home of Jihad Watch - the fearless watchdog column that alerts you to the true intentions and deadly plots of the greatest threat to world peace since the fall of the Soviet Union. "Page 3" confronts liberal lawmakers with the kind of tough questions the Big Media won't ask -- and then puts their outrageous answers on record. 
There's fair and accurate reporting!
I said the peice was an opinion but the stated facts within the peice dispute sir! Jeez stop using genaralities and say something factual! |
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You've shown nothing. your opening post states, During the civil rights era of the 1960s, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors. LOL I proved this abbreviated and one sided statement is what it is. Abbreviated and biased. You can check the info I gave about the votes at the congressional records web site, or any history book! sir the legislative branch of government is one third of government and none of the registered voters....laughable! Yes i know Wallace as well! |
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It's impossible to have an intelligent debate on such an abbreviated post with so many misrepresented ideas as the op post. Not in a post 1000 times as long. The length and brevity of the post is evidence of it's inaccuracy and bias content. Let's start with 1854, The Republican party was founded in an attempt to break a series of ties within congress. Not slavery, but one more aligned with the Industrial North's attempts to gain Fed funding for road, bridge, and dock improvements. Improvements the Agricultural south thought was a waste of Fed taxes and sure to cause tax increases among all Americans. Yet funding that did not benefit the south. The impression you get is an excuse they used to gain congressional members to win the funding. |
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You want accurate sources? Quit looking in the Repub blogs. I'll give you some but they won't be blogs with abbreviated one page biased essays. well the first post was an opinion peice and i sourced it and yes you can dispute it but if you check the source you find everything stated is sourced within the source and added opinion i used for speed but quite accurate and destinct! Its laughable you see the abolishment of slavery as no credit to the republicans and civil rights all credit to the democrats! Just doesnt make sense i think your just interested in arguing and dont have an opinion typical indepedent! Poke blame and take no responsability |
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I guess from your attitude that I won that argument. So are you ready to discuss the 2008 Presidential elections? I think you'll be surprise to find out the states that supported McCain are a majority of southern states whose representation is now predominately republican! Is this what is called a shred? no you clearly lost the argument especially when you have provided no facts and sourced nothing! |
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The Civil War was not about slavery. It was about states rights and equal representation in Washington and equal use of Fed taxes. It had to do with multiple things but slavery was the primary reasoning behind the war espaecially for the south who refused to give up their slaves! yes i clearly understand your version of history is far more accurate than the documented evidence i understand sir! its cool there is no point in furthering the discussion without sourceing your infromation! There never would have been a Civil War, as most southern states didn't secede from the Union until Fed troops attacked Ft Sumpter. Well yes once the issue of slavery reached a point where government enforcemnet was needed war did not break out...lol The North did not outlaw slavery at the beginning of the civil war. The emancipation proclamation wasnt until 1863, two years into the war. Yes, inacting laws take time especially when the country is torn down the middle...haha laughable! It wasn't until 1865, when the war was over, that slavery was abolished. If the war was about slavery why did it take the North so long? Well the north was focused on the actual war and getting control of the south before enacting laws that primarly needed to take place in the south where the majority of slaves where keep in mind slavery in the north was not really a problem since there where many free blacks but the laws changed that southerns started hiring bounty hunters Sources? My education. If you doubt it then explain on which point and I'll try to help. Of course I won't be able to and be as brief as your opening post. your education is relevent to a bias and try and do research to confirm your position and you find your eduaction is inaccurate then the rewriting of history is something that has been going for sometime now! My attitude is i gave you a document clearly stating the agenda and you just dismiss it as not acurate your opinon of what things where about is more accurate. so let me continue to prove you wrong as before! |
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The Civil War was not about slavery. It was about states rights and equal representation in Washington and equal use of Fed taxes. yes i clearly understand your version of history is far more accurate than the documented evidence i understand sir! its cool there is no point in furthering the discussion without sourceing your infromation! |
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I would really like to get to the current air, but lets go back to one I'm sure you think you, a Republican, can win. The Civil war! Me, an Independent, doesn't think so! I'll let you start! Okay let me state my position! I am no independent i am a conservative without a party! The issue i wanted to bring to light is your exact point just slightly differing. I completely understand the difference between racism and politics and understand the regions made a large difference. The "key" hear is dems portray themselves as innocent and try and wash thier hands of their racist ties! What a democrat voted or a republican voted has little to do with it because that is a single entity and why do you change the debate when i have posted plenty in the original post for you to argue against! THE GOP was founded on the abolishment of slavery and you will find it in the presidential platform along with a vice president that was a racist bigot by the way also a democrat! The civil rights movement was by in large a republican fight going back far before kennedy and unfair for the man to take credit for it. After all once the Democrats did not oppose it so aggresively we where able to get it thru! Ofcourse one republican may be a republican mainly because they beleive in life and not abortion and the list of party affilitions are endless! The key here is in my opinion the Democrats have far more blood on there hands! I know you want to flip the debate to say "monopoly" but thats ridiculous! The civil rigts bill of 1964 was a small consession compared to what the democrats imposed upon blacks for centuries before that! Ofcourse republican politicians in the south voted against civil rights legislation they are slimeball politicians and feared losing their seat! Lets stick to actual wrtten law, who wrote it? What did their actual party platform state? Lets actually read the bill in it's entirety and conclude why some opposed it? Goldwater has a clear reason why he objected and supported earlier legislation that began with republicans!.. The thought Kennedy started civil rights is just so unfair to the ones that fought the fight agianst all odds when he had actual political will and the ones before him did not! I place the majority of blame squarely in the democrats arena! I place the credit of equal rights mostly to the republicans. now get your scale and lets see, but keep to written law good or bad and thats what really matters action not words! I didn't change the debate! And the GOP wasn't founded on the abolition of slavery. They may claim that but I can offer an intelligent argument to disprove their claim. As far as you saying, The "key" hear is dems portray themselves as innocent and try and wash thier hands of their racist ties! What a democrat voted or a republican voted has little to do with it because that is a single entity. I just showed you more Dems voted for the civil rights bill than Republicans. It had nothing to do with party affiliation at all. It was a regional difference. Therefore I did not change the debate. I disproved part of your accusation to portray the false impression that the Democrat party is racist. If you'll continue the discussion I'll prove to you the other points you so adamantly claim are just as bogus. Where do you want to start? The civil war or the 2008 elections? http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Republican_Platform_1860.html Here sir is an actual document from the year 1860! I hope your not as the rest and just continue to twist and twist history to fit their opinion. This document written in 1860 an authentic document stating the party platform is actual! The document is a defined beleif of the intent of the republican party! you will note the "key" most language in the forefront of the documnet! What men did, said, and reversed course based on politics is not the point here! This is what the people who voted republican beleived to be the case! people like me and if politicians dont keep their promises it is quite different is it not! Would you like me to find the democrat platform? Oh I can and it will sicken your stomach it is so filled with hate and racism! so debunk this sir! |
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I would really like to get to the current air, but lets go back to one I'm sure you think you, a Republican, can win. The Civil war! Me, an Independent, doesn't think so! I'll let you start! Okay let me state my position! I am no independent i am a conservative without a party! The issue i wanted to bring to light is your exact point just slightly differing. I completely understand the difference between racism and politics and understand the regions made a large difference. The "key" hear is dems portray themselves as innocent and try and wash thier hands of their racist ties! What a democrat voted or a republican voted has little to do with it because that is a single entity and why do you change the debate when i have posted plenty in the original post for you to argue against! THE GOP was founded on the abolishment of slavery and you will find it in the presidential platform along with a vice president that was a racist bigot by the way also a democrat! The civil rights movement was by in large a republican fight going back far before kennedy and unfair for the man to take credit for it. After all once the Democrats did not oppose it so aggresively we where able to get it thru! Ofcourse one republican may be a republican mainly because they beleive in life and not abortion and the list of party affilitions are endless! The key here is in my opinion the Democrats have far more blood on there hands! I know you want to flip the debate to say "monopoly" but thats ridiculous! The civil rigts bill of 1964 was a small consession compared to what the democrats imposed upon blacks for centuries before that! Ofcourse republican politicians in the south voted against civil rights legislation they are slimeball politicians and feared losing their seat! Lets stick to actual wrtten law, who wrote it? What did their actual party platform state? Lets actually read the bill in it's entirety and conclude why some opposed it? Goldwater has a clear reason why he objected and supported earlier legislation that began with republicans!.. The thought Kennedy started civil rights is just so unfair to the ones that fought the fight agianst all odds when he had actual political will and the ones before him did not! I place the majority of blame squarely in the democrats arena! I place the credit of equal rights mostly to the republicans. now get your scale and lets see, but keep to written law good or bad and thats what really matters action not words! I didn't change the debate! And the GOP wasn't founded on the abolition of slavery. They may claim that but I can offer an intelligent argument to disprove their claim. As far as you saying, The "key" hear is dems portray themselves as innocent and try and wash thier hands of their racist ties! What a democrat voted or a republican voted has little to do with it because that is a single entity. I just showed you more Dems voted for the civil rights bill than Republicans. It had nothing to do with party affiliation at all. It was a regional difference. Therefore I did not change the debate. I disproved part of your accusation to portray the false impression that the Democrat party is racist. If you'll continue the discussion I'll prove to you the other points you so adamantly claim are just as bogus. Where do you want to start? The civil war or the 2008 elections? "THE" civil rights bill?? it is a grain of sand in an ocean! |
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I would really like to get to the current air, but lets go back to one I'm sure you think you, a Republican, can win. The Civil war! Me, an Independent, doesn't think so! I'll let you start! Okay let me state my position! I am no independent i am a conservative without a party! The issue i wanted to bring to light is your exact point just slightly differing. I completely understand the difference between racism and politics and understand the regions made a large difference. The "key" hear is dems portray themselves as innocent and try and wash thier hands of their racist ties! What a democrat voted or a republican voted has little to do with it because that is a single entity and why do you change the debate when i have posted plenty in the original post for you to argue against! THE GOP was founded on the abolishment of slavery and you will find it in the presidential platform along with a vice president that was a racist bigot by the way also a democrat! The civil rights movement was by in large a republican fight going back far before kennedy and unfair for the man to take credit for it. After all once the Democrats did not oppose it so aggresively we where able to get it thru! Ofcourse one republican may be a republican mainly because they beleive in life and not abortion and the list of party affilitions are endless! The key here is in my opinion the Democrats have far more blood on there hands! I know you want to flip the debate to say "monopoly" but thats ridiculous! The civil rigts bill of 1964 was a small consession compared to what the democrats imposed upon blacks for centuries before that! Ofcourse republican politicians in the south voted against civil rights legislation they are slimeball politicians and feared losing their seat! Lets stick to actual wrtten law, who wrote it? What did their actual party platform state? Lets actually read the bill in it's entirety and conclude why some opposed it? Goldwater has a clear reason why he objected and supported earlier legislation that began with republicans!.. The thought Kennedy started civil rights is just so unfair to the ones that fought the fight agianst all odds when he had actual political will and the ones before him did not! I place the majority of blame squarely in the democrats arena! I place the credit of equal rights mostly to the republicans. now get your scale and lets see, but keep to written law good or bad and thats what really matters action not words! I didn't change the debate! And the GOP wasn't founded on the abolition of slavery. They may claim that but I can offer an intelligent argument to disprove their claim. As far as you saying, The "key" hear is dems portray themselves as innocent and try and wash thier hands of their racist ties! What a democrat voted or a republican voted has little to do with it because that is a single entity. I just showed you more Dems voted for the civil rights bill than Republicans. It had nothing to do with party affiliation at all. It was a regional difference. Therefore I did not change the debate. I disproved part of your accusation to portray the false impression that the Democrat party is racist. If you'll continue the discussion I'll prove to you the other points you so adamantly claim are just as bogus. Where do you want to start? The civil war or the 2008 elections? okay start the debate on my original post debunk as you said you could. good luck! lol! |
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Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator. Republican legislation 7 years prior to 1964!
Does this mean Kennedy was a racist? Democrats do not deserve credit for civil right sorry! Nor does kennedy deserve credit for all the hard work, a lot of good politicians deserve credit and yes many of them where republicans. |
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I would really like to get to the current air, but lets go back to one I'm sure you think you, a Republican, can win. The Civil war! Me, an Independent, doesn't think so! I'll let you start! Okay let me state my position! I am no independent i am a conservative without a party! The issue i wanted to bring to light is your exact point just slightly differing. I completely understand the difference between racism and politics and understand the regions made a large difference. The "key" hear is dems portray themselves as innocent and try and wash thier hands of their racist ties! What a democrat voted or a republican voted has little to do with it because that is a single entity and why do you change the debate when i have posted plenty in the original post for you to argue against! THE GOP was founded on the abolishment of slavery and you will find it in the presidential platform along with a vice president that was a racist bigot by the way also a democrat! The civil rights movement was by in large a republican fight going back far before kennedy and unfair for the man to take credit for it. After all once the Democrats did not oppose it so aggresively we where able to get it thru! Ofcourse one republican may be a republican mainly because they beleive in life and not abortion and the list of party affilitions are endless! The key here is in my opinion the Democrats have far more blood on there hands! I know you want to flip the debate to say "monopoly" but thats ridiculous! The civil rigts bill of 1964 was a small consession compared to what the democrats imposed upon blacks for centuries before that! Ofcourse republican politicians in the south voted against civil rights legislation they are slimeball politicians and feared losing their seat! Lets stick to actual wrtten law, who wrote it? What did their actual party platform state? Lets actually read the bill in it's entirety and conclude why some opposed it? Goldwater has a clear reason why he objected and supported earlier legislation that began with republicans!.. The thought Kennedy started civil rights is just so unfair to the ones that fought the fight agianst all odds when he had actual political will and the ones before him did not! I place the majority of blame squarely in the democrats arena! I place the credit of equal rights mostly to the republicans. now get your scale and lets see, but keep to written law good or bad and thats what really matters action not words! |
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