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Mon 12/07/09 07:41 PM

NC seceded after the Fed gov threatened to attack across their land the State of SC. That's why there is no mention of slavery.

Here,
Ga is more specific. They were one of the first to secede.
Make sure you read what the say about the Republicans interests in power.

The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution. While the subordination and the political and social inequality of the African race was fully conceded by all, it was plainly apparent that slavery would soon disappear from what are now the non-slave-holding States of the original thirteen. The opposition to slavery was then, as now, general in those States and the Constitution was made with direct reference to that fact. But a distinct abolition party was not formed in the United States for more than half a century after the Government went into operation. The main reason was that the North, even if united, could not control both branches of the Legislature during any portion of that time. Therefore such an organization must have resulted either in utter failure or in the total overthrow of the Government. The material prosperity of the North was greatly dependent on the Federal Government; that of the the South not at all. In the first years of the Republic the navigating, commercial, and manufacturing interests of the North began to seek profit and aggrandizement at the expense of the agricultural interests. Even the owners of fishing smacks sought and obtained bounties for pursuing their own business (which yet continue), and $500,000 is now paid them annually out of the Treasury.

This part!

The material prosperity of the North was greatly dependent on the Federal Government; that of the the South not at all. In the first years of the Republic the navigating, commercial, and manufacturing interests of the North began to seek profit and aggrandizement at the expense of the agricultural interests. Even the owners of fishing smacks sought and obtained bounties for pursuing their own business (which yet continue), and $500,000 is now paid them annually out of the Treasury.




dude are you okay or are smoking something???? read your own post! It clearly made my point for me! The abolishment of slavery goes back to the founding but the clear depedency of slavery made it impossible politically!

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Mon 12/07/09 07:32 PM



Below is an actual interveiw with general Forest! He states the KKK give their support to the democrat party! Now you already admitted he was the founder as a matter of fact you pointed it out. I agree with you, but you can now change your opinion and say he is not the founder because he always claimed he was not even though there is clear evidence he was! But you didnt dispute he was the founder you disputed he was not a democrat and had nothing to do with politics. just read it! sorry your just wrong! He clearly states that the KKK as a political orginazation and it's intent!



"Well, sir, there is such an organization, not only in Tennessee, but all over the South, and its numbers have not been exaggerated."

"What are its numbers, general?"

"In Tennessee there are over 40,000; in all the Southern states they number about 550,000 men."

"What is the character of the organization; May I inquire?"

"Yes, sir. It is a protective political military organization. I am willing to show any man the constitution of the society. The members are sworn to recognize the government of the United States. It does not say anything at all about the government of Tennessee. Its objects originally were protection against Loyal Leagues and the Grand Army of the Republic; but after it became general it was found that political matters and interests could best be promoted within it,


and it was then made a political organization, giving it support, of course, to the democratic party."





"But is the organization connected throughout the state?"

"Yes, it is. In each voting precinct there is a captain, who, in addition to his other duties, is required to make out a list of names of men in his precinct, giving all the radicals and all the democrats who are positively known, and showing also the doubtful on both sides and of both colors. This list of names is forwarded to the grand commander of the State, who is thus enabled to know are our friends and who are not."

"Can you, or are you at liberty to give me the name of the commanding officer of this State?"

"No, it would be impolitic."



He didn't say he was a democrat nor that the kkk was democrat.

So you still have failed.



Okay he founded the KKK, and i quote

"and it was then made a political organization, giving it support, of course, to the democratic party."

so as the founder and head of this orginazation that he founded they give their support to the democrat party, but he was not a democrat? As a confederate General he took his commands from the democrat party, lost the war and i quote again "and it was then made a political organization" The ku klux he states later in the interveiw.

Come on i am not gonna call you any names, but are you honest? I mean really you can not conclude the democrat party founded the KKK?

democrats lose the civil war......

One of the democrats most popular generals founds a new political orginazation called the ku klux right after losing the war.

the ku Klux begin enforcing democratic ideology thoughout america when they lose in the ballot box.

The other evidence is overwhelming and it is in the congessional records!

Most politicians don't even deny it this point they just say they have changed!

You see whether you admit you are wrong or not you have proved a point! As a democrat you refuse to admit the wrong of your party and are willing to lie for them! I wont i plainly state when my party is wrong!


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Mon 12/07/09 07:14 PM

North Carolina



AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of North Carolina and the other States united with her, under the compact of government entitled "The Constitution of the United States."



We, the people of the State of North Carolina in convention assembled, do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the ordinance adopted by the State of North Carolina in the convention of 1789, whereby the Constitution of the United States was ratified and adopted, and also all acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly ratifying and adopting amendments to the said Constitution, are hereby repealed, rescinded, and abrogated.



We do further declare and ordain, That the union now subsisting between the State of North Carolina and the other States, under the title of the United States of America, is hereby dissolved, and that the State of North Carolina is in full possession and exercise of all those rights of sovereignty which belong and appertain to a free and independent State.



Done in convention at the city of Raleigh, this the 20th day of May, in the year of our Lord 1861, and in the eighty-fifth year of the independence of said State.



Where in there does it say slavery?


where in there does it not say slavery? Strawman argument!

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Mon 12/07/09 07:11 PM

Order of Secession,
South Carolina December 20, 1860
Mississippi January 9, 1861
Florida January 10, 1861
Alabama January 11, 1861
Georgia January 19, 1861
Louisiana January 26, 1861
Texas February 1, 1861
http://americanhistory.about.com/library/charts/blchartsecession.htm


On April 10, 1861, CSA Brigadier General Beauregard, in command of the provisional Confederate forces at Charleston, South Carolina, demanded the surrender of the Union garrison of Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor. Garrison commander Anderson refused.

On April 12th the Fed Navy opened fire on the Ft. Now in the hands of the CSA.

http://americancivilwar.com/statepic/sc/sc001.html

After this and the Presidents communicating intent to take back the Ft at all costs, the following states seceded,


Virginia April 17, 1861*
Arkansas May 6, 1861*
North Carolina May 20, 1861*
Tennessee June 8, 1861*

If they had just let the CSA hold on to the FT, which was taken without loss of life, these states, all border states, probably wouldn't have seceded and the Civil War would never have happened.





okay so you specualte it would have never happend. what does that have to do with Lincolns clear intent to end slavery and his political manuvering to accomplish that task? What does that have to do with the fact Slaves by in large where in the south and they had far more to lose if slavery was abolished? Slavery was a complex issue and even our founders new that the abolishment of slavery had far reaching consequences to the economy and social environment, political will among the people and so forth! The abolishment of slavery goes way back, way way back and the civil war had everything to do with the abolishment of slavery and the south not wanting to lose their free labor! Your just wrong! The arguments over slavery are well documented in the senate as well as congress! the threats of war from the south if we abolished slavery! Your just wrong! there is way to much evidence here! One could make the argument that the north stood in judgement of the south based on prior history, because when they where dependent on slaves they where far less vocal. but you can not argue that the civil war and the repuplican party had nothing to do with the abolishment of slavery!

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Mon 12/07/09 06:51 PM

Below is an actual interveiw with general Forest! He states the KKK give their support to the democrat party! Now you already admitted he was the founder as a matter of fact you pointed it out. I agree with you, but you can now change your opinion and say he is not the founder because he always claimed he was not even though there is clear evidence he was! But you didnt dispute he was the founder you disputed he was not a democrat and had nothing to do with politics. just read it! sorry your just wrong! He clearly states that the KKK as a political orginazation and it's intent!



"Well, sir, there is such an organization, not only in Tennessee, but all over the South, and its numbers have not been exaggerated."

"What are its numbers, general?"

"In Tennessee there are over 40,000; in all the Southern states they number about 550,000 men."

"What is the character of the organization; May I inquire?"

"Yes, sir. It is a protective political military organization. I am willing to show any man the constitution of the society. The members are sworn to recognize the government of the United States. It does not say anything at all about the government of Tennessee. Its objects originally were protection against Loyal Leagues and the Grand Army of the Republic; but after it became general it was found that political matters and interests could best be promoted within it,


and it was then made a political organization, giving it support, of course, to the democratic party."





"But is the organization connected throughout the state?"

"Yes, it is. In each voting precinct there is a captain, who, in addition to his other duties, is required to make out a list of names of men in his precinct, giving all the radicals and all the democrats who are positively known, and showing also the doubtful on both sides and of both colors. This list of names is forwarded to the grand commander of the State, who is thus enabled to know are our friends and who are not."

"Can you, or are you at liberty to give me the name of the commanding officer of this State?"

"No, it would be impolitic."

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Mon 12/07/09 06:42 PM







You know after reading through the original post again.

The original Republicans would be ASHAMED of their descendents today, wouldn't they have????


So sad to see the degeneration of a good party like that.



well my sentiment is the same! However you made my point! The party is completely the same, no changes have been made really. The only difference is they don't follow thru with their promises!


The party is completely different now and a shame to the original party.
no the platform is almost identical check it out!


No, it is not.



well not much i can do, i posted the 1860 platform on an earlier post compare it to 2008 and then tell me if its not very very similar? It is the same principals! conservatives have been steadfast in their stance over one in a half centuries! just a fact and you dont want to except it! Conservatism has not changed, its proggresives that change thats why they call them proggresives and they call us old fashion!


I guess you are assuming that all repubs are conservative, huh?


well if they stayed true to their party platform they would be but that ended with Goldwater! No, your right most republicans are not conservatives and it's cause people are sheep and if we had real conservative leaders instaed of mostly rinos and democrats in our ranks things would be better. as for the democrats they are where taken over by the socialists and if you read their history you will see that! i am not calling them socialists to scare anyone. read a book on socialism and see how it lines up. they are socialist leaning in many regards!

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Mon 12/07/09 06:33 PM

okay all i can say is if you can not connect the dots what more can i do i gave you enough eveidence. a reported interveiw of general forest just read it! the democrats lost power when they lost the war and right after the KKK was founded! They refused to allow blacks to vote and refused to allow equal rights to blacks. the democrats created the laws and the ones they could not get thru they used the KKK to enforce! Up until the 1960's democrats found ways to refuse blacks the right to vote throughout the south! mayors, sheriffs, governers, all throughout the south KKK members and yes staunch democrats! you just need to investigate and come to a conclusion i did and i found the democrat party guilty of founding the KKK!

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Mon 12/07/09 06:32 PM





You know after reading through the original post again.

The original Republicans would be ASHAMED of their descendents today, wouldn't they have????


So sad to see the degeneration of a good party like that.



well my sentiment is the same! However you made my point! The party is completely the same, no changes have been made really. The only difference is they don't follow thru with their promises!


The party is completely different now and a shame to the original party.
no the platform is almost identical check it out!


No, it is not.



well not much i can do, i posted the 1860 platform on an earlier post compare it to 2008 and then tell me if its not very very similar? It is the same principals! conservatives have been steadfast in their stance over one in a half centuries! just a fact and you dont want to except it! Conservatism has not changed, its proggresives that change thats why they call them proggresives and they call us old fashion!

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Mon 12/07/09 06:27 PM






damn i wont argue anymore your not gonna admit your wrong but here is an actual interveiw with him!

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Interview_with_Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

Nathan Bedford Forrest's own words! Geez democrats just won't admit when they are wrong, if you can't see your wrong There really is not anything left to say!frustrated rant rant rant


He did not say he was a democrat...lol

So you proved nothing yet again.


okay all i can say is if you can not connect the dots what more can i do i gave you enough eveidence. a reported interveiw of general forest just read it! the democrats lost power when they lost the war and right after the KKK was founded! They refused to allow blacks to vote and refused to allow equal rights to blacks. the democrats created the laws and the ones they could not get thru they used the KKK to enforce! Up until the 1960's democrats found ways to refuse blacks the right to vote throughout the south! mayors, sheriffs, governers, all throughout the south KKK members and yes staunch democrats! you just need to investigate and come to a conclusion i did and i found the democrat party guilty of founding the KKK!

Why do you want to lie anyway?


My word set down the koolaid for a second please! I quote!

Feeling towards Uncle Sam
"What are your feelings towards the federal government, general?"

"I loved the old government in 1861. I loved the old Constitution yet. I think it is the best government in the world, if administered as it was before the war. I do not hate it; I am opposing now only the radical revolutionists who are trying to destroy it. I believe that party to be composed, as I know it is in Tennessee, of the worst men on Gods earth-men who would not hesitate at no crime, and who have only one object in view-to enrich themselves."


Who could he possibly be talking about? Keep in mind he is a confederate General! Take a deep breath and except it! Do you want the actual registartion slip to know that he was a registered democrat? Evidence is just that evidence so who is lying? He says "that party" Which party is he refering to? The republican party obviously! The founder of the KKK you stated he was! A confederate general! so whom is he refering too? Who does the KKK founder mean when he says he hates that party? 2+2 equals 4 so you stop lying!


You haven't proven your point yet.

I am still waiting.

Democrats did not start the KKK.




Yes i did exactly that! The ties of the democrat party to the creation of the KKK is quite abundant. But last I checked the KKK wasn't giving up documents! The relization the accused founder states he is a democrat prior to the war and after kinda points that out! Not to mention the legislation they passed after the war!



No you did not show that the KKK was started by the democrats.

You did not prove it, show it or demonstrate it at all.

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Mon 12/07/09 06:20 PM




Seriously, does anyone really believe the uprising,, civil war, had nothing to do with the threat against slavery?



Most southerners didnt even own slaves. Esp the poor ones who volunteered to fight.
Besides, slavery was still legal in the North.




Yeah and most slaves where sold by balck men in africa right? why do you justify the south's sin of killing and inslaving a race of people? The civil war was about two countries one beleived in slavery and one did not. White America did not want to go to war for it thats why Lincoln was such an unpopular president! But the reality was at least the north was moving away from slavery and the south resisted and it became a point where War had to come! the North would have withered away with a border country with free labor and the south would have conquered the north if given time. It was all about slavery!


Man you missed all the history classes.

Northerners owned slaves too.laugh laugh laugh laugh

never said they didnt!

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Mon 12/07/09 06:18 PM



You know after reading through the original post again.

The original Republicans would be ASHAMED of their descendents today, wouldn't they have????


So sad to see the degeneration of a good party like that.



well my sentiment is the same! However you made my point! The party is completely the same, no changes have been made really. The only difference is they don't follow thru with their promises!


The party is completely different now and a shame to the original party.
no the platform is almost identical check it out!

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Mon 12/07/09 06:16 PM



Slaves were not freed, even in the North until the war was over. 1865!


the slaves where not freed at all! abraham lincoln was assisinated and his vice president a Democrat took over and un did much of what lincoln acheived, so blacks where left to fend for their selves for another 100 years under oppression! Not to mention an ignorant republican party gave in to the democrat party and allowed them to begin passing laws that further enslaved blacks they just called it something different!


Exactly!

So how can the North claim they were fighting to free the slaves without even freeing their own?

It's a case of the victor trying to write their version of history.
Thank God the Republicans couldn't take away free speech.
The history and truth is still there.



well you are mixing the north with republicans and vise versa thats why you keep getting confused! you said exactly as if i was right this time because it fit your agenda but it was not the north that didnt release there slaves it was the democrat politicians that started inacting laws to allow racist white men ways around the laws in the north and the south!

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Mon 12/07/09 06:12 PM

LOL
Don't tell me you thought all southerners were plantation owners like in the movies.


lol... no thats just your complete fabrication as in your opinion of the facts! I also know this is not your idea! It is part of the communist propaganda of the sixties and you read it and decided to drink the koolaid!

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Mon 12/07/09 06:10 PM

You know after reading through the original post again.

The original Republicans would be ASHAMED of their descendents today, wouldn't they have????


So sad to see the degeneration of a good party like that.



well my sentiment is the same! However you made my point! The party is completely the same, no changes have been made really. The only difference is they don't follow thru with their promises!

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Mon 12/07/09 06:07 PM




damn i wont argue anymore your not gonna admit your wrong but here is an actual interveiw with him!

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Interview_with_Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

Nathan Bedford Forrest's own words! Geez democrats just won't admit when they are wrong, if you can't see your wrong There really is not anything left to say!frustrated rant rant rant


He did not say he was a democrat...lol

So you proved nothing yet again.

Why do you want to lie anyway?


My word set down the koolaid for a second please! I quote!

Feeling towards Uncle Sam
"What are your feelings towards the federal government, general?"

"I loved the old government in 1861. I loved the old Constitution yet. I think it is the best government in the world, if administered as it was before the war. I do not hate it; I am opposing now only the radical revolutionists who are trying to destroy it. I believe that party to be composed, as I know it is in Tennessee, of the worst men on Gods earth-men who would not hesitate at no crime, and who have only one object in view-to enrich themselves."


Who could he possibly be talking about? Keep in mind he is a confederate General! Take a deep breath and except it! Do you want the actual registartion slip to know that he was a registered democrat? Evidence is just that evidence so who is lying? He says "that party" Which party is he refering to? The republican party obviously! The founder of the KKK you stated he was! A confederate general! so whom is he refering too? Who does the KKK founder mean when he says he hates that party? 2+2 equals 4 so you stop lying!


You haven't proven your point yet.

I am still waiting.

Democrats did not start the KKK.




Yes i did exactly that! The ties of the democrat party to the creation of the KKK is quite abundant. But last I checked the KKK wasn't giving up documents! The relization the accused founder states he is a democrat prior to the war and after kinda points that out! Not to mention the legislation they passed after the war!

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Mon 12/07/09 06:03 PM

Slaves were not freed, even in the North until the war was over. 1865!


the slaves where not freed at all! abraham lincoln was assisinated and his vice president a Democrat took over and un did much of what lincoln acheived, so blacks where left to fend for their selves for another 100 years under oppression! Not to mention an ignorant republican party gave in to the democrat party and allowed them to begin passing laws that further enslaved blacks they just called it something different!

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Mon 12/07/09 05:56 PM



Seriously, does anyone really believe the uprising,, civil war, had nothing to do with the threat against slavery?



Most southerners didnt even own slaves. Esp the poor ones who volunteered to fight.
Besides, slavery was still legal in the North.




Wow,,, ok

and Ronny,,,this statement "Republicans are not racists, poeple are racists" is 100 percent correct. I believe that racism is not political but personal and can be found on both sides. I just think that most people are under the impressiont that social programs mostly benefit minority groups and therefore the taxpayers who do happen to be racists against these groups are more likely to align themselves with the republican party which generally opposes such programs.
yes i agree but many conservtives oppose programs based on they do not beleive in social programs and have nothting to do with race!

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Mon 12/07/09 05:52 PM


Seriously, does anyone really believe the uprising,, civil war, had nothing to do with the threat against slavery?



Most southerners didnt even own slaves. Esp the poor ones who volunteered to fight.
Besides, slavery was still legal in the North.




Yeah and most slaves where sold by balck men in africa right? why do you justify the south's sin of killing and inslaving a race of people? The civil war was about two countries one beleived in slavery and one did not. White America did not want to go to war for it thats why Lincoln was such an unpopular president! But the reality was at least the north was moving away from slavery and the south resisted and it became a point where War had to come! the North would have withered away with a border country with free labor and the south would have conquered the north if given time. It was all about slavery!

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Mon 12/07/09 05:46 PM

I'll also repeat. Most Southern States did not secede from the Union until Ft. Sumter was attacked.
To most the defining reason was States rights. They didn't appreciate the Fed Gov marching Armies across their land to attack their neighbors.


thats such a crock! You are doing exactly what you accuse others of! You say it's states rights, have you thought maybe the south used states rights as their excuse when it was really about slavery. damn from the free throw line flying threw the air jordan style...DUNK!

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Mon 12/07/09 05:43 PM

When Lincoln finally wrote the emancipation Proclamation it was for use as a weapon and only pertained to the slaves in southern states at first.
He hoped it would cause an uprising of slaves in the south to disrupt the confederate army at their rear.

It didnt work.


it's quite a talent to read the mind of a dead man!

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