Out of interest, why do you feel that you need JC in your life?



Humanism is a positive attitude to the world, centred on human experience, thought, and hopes.

Humanists believe that human experience and rational thinking provide the only source of both knowledge and a moral code to live by.

Money talks and unfortunately we all have to listen to it.

At the moment the money that is talking is black and liquid and it runs our cars and trucks!

Sadly, until this becomes a worthless commodity, it will have a big say in running the US/UK/Europe

So what have those three done to set themselves up for falls then?



So, when you try and convert someone to xtianity that isnt god's work then?
When you go to church to get on your knees and beg forgiveness that isnt work then?



Who's god?
or is it
Whose god?



I agree wholeheartedly ... thanks for that

Why dont you run for senator, governor or mayor? You would have to have the money and the backing to start with.

You cannot tell me that your average Joe is able to get into big time politics with no money.

Look at Clinton ... she ran out of campaign funds and so "lent" herself $5million.

Could you or I do that? I dont think so.

We are all agreed that politicians are not in it for the public, they are in it for themselves.

Democracy is a very poor subsitute for running a country.

People think that they have a choice, when in reality the only choices they have are to put up with the eventual winner or shut up.

Politicians & civil servants should get paid national average wage.
They should have only expenses that relate to their post.
They should leave their jobs and dedicate themselves to public service ...

Then it is an honour to serve your country.

But as far as what is fair game in politics ... everything is.

Sorry it upsets you about POW, but he is out there using it for his own gains.

Palin may give you honest govt, but she is not going to be in the big chair ... her boss is.

.. and dont you vote for the Prez, not some cute totty in a business suit as vp?

They cannot answer you or it would put an enormous hole in their fallacy.

Either way.

This is the problem with religion in general. When you start comparing people of different religions, then the whole ridiculous situation falls apart.

But it wont be.

He is being portrayed a hero, when in reality he is a standard guy who has enough money to have a run at the big chair.

I think that was pretty bloody awful too.

There is no reason why public servants should play the sympathy card. They HAVE to know that they will be found out!

They play the sympathy card because they know you members of the US are so patriotic. They think you are blind enough to follow them.

But you are not! So why do they do it?

You cannot take any part of a public servant's life and make it sacrosanct. If they want privacy then keep out of public life.

I find it rather interesting that before 1999 he had told no one about this.

Especially in 1973.

What about this one?

Steve Benen at Carpetbagger Report and Jake Tapper at ABC pick up on a rather astounding fib told by John McCain to a Pittsburgh TV station:

"When I was first interrogated and really had to give some information because of the pressures, physical pressures on me, I named the starting lineup, defensive line of the Pittsburgh Steelers as my squadron mates."

"Did you really?" asked the reporter.

"Yes," McCain said.

"In your POW camp?" asked the reporter.

"Yes," McCain said.

If you've heard this story before--and it's one of the staples of McCain's POW yarns--you know that it has always been the Green Bay Packers whose starting lineup McCain claims to have recited for his captors.

In his 1999 book Faith of My Fathers, McCain wrote: "Pressed for more useful information, I gave the names of the Green Bay Packers offensive line, and said they were members of my squadron."

Should he get his story straight before he says anything?

... and the Solzhenitsyn connection?

we are back to the original question of "Could a god create a rock he could not lift"

Did you happen to see him Saturday night tear up when telling his POW 'cross in the dirt' story at the Saddlebrook Church?

The same story was told by Alexander Solzhenitsyn in his book, Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956, which was released in the U.S. in 1973. There is no known record of McCain telling that story before 1999.

And McCain has admitted he's read Solzhenitsyn.

McCain wimpers like a baby and claims it's an event he could never forget but in a 12,000 word piece, (17 pages!) he wrote for U.S. News & World Report in 1973, there was not one word about a 'cross in the dirt'.

This is at least the second time he's been caught lying about his POW status.

For some strange reason the Navy has refused to release over 600 pages of John McCain's military record. Just as was demanded with John Kerry in 2004, the Navy needs to make McCain's records available to the American public.

You deserve to know why John McCain keeps lying.

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ooops ... wrong thread!

Please dont try and tell us that the fairytales in the bible are fact.

If you believe evolution is only theory, then, if you have a flexible mind and free will, the bible, qur'an & torah are only theoretical too.

Im sure the millions of starving people in the African continent would disagree with you ... or would you say that its god's way of controlling the population by starving them to death

I would be happy to concede that if god existed that he would give you what you need rather that what you want, but as I ave never prayed in my life, I wouldnt know.

Super powers have this idea of lying is good ...

I think kettles, pots and the colour black spring to mind

I have always maintained that Jesus himself was a liar. He says numerous times that all your prayers will be answered.

Thats not true.

But I think, James, thats a little harsh ... I mean, beheading is a little archaic and unnecessary

Can we crucify them instead?

Here is a child of God asking God what is necessary for him to do in order to inherit eternal life.

And God said to him: Keep the commandments. And the child said to the Almighty: "Which?" Now, if there ever has been an opportunity given to the Almighty to furnish a man of an inquiring mind with the necessary information upon that subject, here was the opportunity.

"He said unto him, which? And Jesus said: Thou shalt do no murder; thou shalt not commit adultery; thou shalt not steal; thou shalt not bear false witness; honor thy father and mother; and thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

He did not say to him: "You must believe in me that I am the only begotten son of the living God."
He did not say: "You must be born again."
He did not say: "You must believe the Bible."
He did not say: "You must remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy."
He simply said: "Thou shalt do no murder. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness. Honor thy father and thy mother; and thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

Again, can it be more clear than that?? Why would Jesus lie to this person and tell him something OTHER than what he needed for salvation? Does this make ANY impact on you?

Where is Jeffery Dahmer right now? If you believe that salvation is by faith alone, he is in Heaven, because on May 10th, 1994 he was baptized and accepted Jesus Christ as his personal savior.

Can you imagine anyone who deserves to be in Hell more than Jeffery Dahmer? But he believed and was baptized, so to heaven he goes, to sit at the right hand of God. But what about the non-christian victims of Jeffery Dahmer? They go to hell to burn forever because they were "heathens".

What about the Son of Sam (serial killer David Berkowitz)? He is born again, and will go sit with Jesus.
What about Adolf Hitler? He was a supposedly fanatical Christian. (debateable, I agree)

But Albert Einstein, Andrew Carnegie, Albert Schweitzer, Carl Sagan, Thomas Edison, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Mark Twain, and countless other humanitarians will burn and suffer agonizing and eternal torture (by a God who loves us), not just for a long time, but forever.

I was taught, when I was a child attending a Christian sunday school, that good people go to heaven, and bad people are punished and they go to hell.

That's just not what the bible says. We are doomed to hell and eternal torture because of the Fall From Grace the eating of a piece of fruit, not Sin.

So much for Christian justice.