Obey the government at all costs, Nationalizing the banking system.

Corporate welfare is handouts, between the Fed and our central government, these banks aren't getting welfare anymore, they're flat taking most of them over.

Actually I'm glad this happened on Bush's watch, it showed him and his admin. to be the frauds I've always said they were. No self respecting conservative would have bailed any of these a$$hats out. A conservative would have winced as they bit the dust and then watched with intrigue as the market suffered some and then corrected itself.
Instead the socalled conservative proved that neoconservative is a farce, by practicing National Socialism, which is in his families blood.

Idealist, eh?

Yes, actions speak louder than words.

Another: Sarah Palin not only supported the Bridge to Nowhere, she made treks to Washington DC to fight for it.

She only stopped advocating for the bridge after there was a public outcry against it.

Palin also kept nearly all the money allotted for the bridge after the project was ended. This is what really gets to me.

Everyone has a right to vote for whom ever they want. Have voted a few third parties. With the awareness that third parties rarely - if ever win. Got to check that one.

Unfortunately, they more often skew the results in unfavorable - or favorable ways. Depending upon other's points of view.

Oh, boy...

"Is Sarah Palin qualified to be vice president? Most conservatives say yes, on the grounds that something that feels so good could not possibly be wrong. But a few commentators, like George Will, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum and Ross Douthat demur, suggesting in different ways that she is unready...

Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she’d be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness." - David Brooks - NYT


"McCain has turned ugly. His dishonesty would be unacceptable in any politician, but McCain has always set his own bar higher than most. He has contempt for most of his colleagues for that very reason: They lie. He tells the truth. He internalizes the code of the McCains -- his grandfather, his father: both admirals of the shining sea. He serves his country differently, that's all -- but just as honorably. No more, though...

His opportunistic and irresponsible choice of Sarah Palin as his political heir -- the person in whose hands he would leave the country -- is a form of personal treason, a betrayal of all he once stood for. Palin, no matter what her other attributes, is shockingly unprepared to become president. McCain knows that. He means to win, which is all right; he means to win at all costs, which is not." - Richard Cohen - Washington Post

This is from a previous McCain supporter.

McCain's Integrity
Wednesday 10 September 2008

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by: Andrew Sullivan, The Atlantic



For me, this surreal moment - like the entire surrealism of the past ten days - is not really about Sarah Palin or Barack Obama or pigs or fish or lipstick. It's about John McCain. The one thing I always thought I knew about him is that he is a decent and honest person. When he knows, as every sane person must, that Obama did not in any conceivable sense mean that Sarah Palin is a pig, what did he do? Did he come out and say so and end this charade? Or did he acquiesce in and thereby enable the mindless Rovianism that is now the core feature of his campaign?

So far, he has let us all down. My guess is he will continue to do so. And that decision, for my part, ends whatever respect I once had for him. On core moral issues, where this man knew what the right thing was, and had to pick between good and evil, he chose evil. When he knew that George W. Bush's war in Iraq was a fiasco and catastrophe, and before Donald Rumsfeld quit, McCain endorsed George W. Bush against his fellow Vietnam vet, John Kerry in 2004. By that decision, McCain lost any credibility that he can ever put country first. He put party first and his own career first ahead of what he knew was best for the country.

And when the Senate and House voted overwhelmingly to condemn and end the torture regime of Bush and Cheney in 2006, McCain again had a clear choice between good and evil, and chose evil.

He capitulated and enshrined torture as the policy of the United States, by allowing the CIA to use techniques as bad as and worse than the torture inflicted on him in Vietnam. He gave the war criminals in the White House retroactive immunity against the prosecution they so richly deserve. The enormity of this moral betrayal, this betrayal of his country's honor, has yet to sink in. But for my part, it now makes much more sense. He is not the man I thought he was.

And when he had the chance to engage in a real and substantive debate against the most talented politician of the next generation in a fall campaign where vital issues are at stake, what did McCain do? He began his general campaign with a series of grotesque, trivial and absurd MTV-style attacks on Obama's virtues and implied disgusting things about his opponent's patriotism.

And then, because he could see he was going to lose, ten days ago, he threw caution to the wind and with no vetting whatsoever, picked a woman who, by her decision to endure her own eight-month pregnancy of a Down Syndrome child in public, that he was going to reignite the culture war as a last stand against Obama. That's all that is happening right now: a massive bump in the enthusiasm of the Christianist base. This is pure Rove.

Yes, McCain made a decision that revealed many appalling things about him. In the end, his final concern is not national security. No one who cares about national security would pick as vice-president someone who knows nothing about it as his replacement. No one who cares about this country's safety would gamble the security of the world on a total unknown because she polled well with the Christianist base. No person who truly believed that the surge was integral to this country's national security would pick as his veep candidate a woman who, so far as we can tell anything, opposed it at the time.

McCain has demonstrated in the last two months that he does not have the character to be president of the United States. And that is why it is more important than ever to ensure that Barack Obama is the next president. The alternative is now unthinkable. And McCain - no one else - has proved it.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/mccains-integri.html


Not making points with his own these days is he? I can see it too, can you?

Who is McCain



John McCain
Senior Senator
from Arizona
Incumbent
Assumed office
January 3, 1987
Serving with Jon Kyl
Preceded by Barry Goldwater
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from Arizona's 1st district
In office
January 3, 1983 – January 3, 1987
Preceded by John Jacob Rhodes Jr.
Succeeded by John Jacob Rhodes III
Born August 29, 1936 (1936-08-29) (age 72)
Coco Solo Naval Air Station, Panama Canal Zone, Panama
Nationality American
Political party Republican
Spouse Carol Shepp (m. 1965, div. 1980)
Cindy Lou Hensley (m. 1980)
Children Douglas (b. 1959, adopted 1966), Andrew (b. 1962, adopted 1966), Sidney (b. 1966), Meghan (b. 1984), John Sidney IV "Jack" (b. 1986), James "Jimmy" (b. 1988), Bridget (b. 1991, adopted 1993)
Alma mater United States Naval Academy
Profession Naval aviator, Politician
Religion Southern Baptist congregant
(Brought up Episcopalian)[1]
Signature John McCain's signature
Website U.S. Senator John McCain: Arizona

More detailed articles about John McCain:

Early life and military career
House and Senate career, 1982–2000
2000 presidential campaign
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McCain at Annapolis, c. 1954
McCain at Annapolis, c. 1954

John Sidney McCain III (born August 29, 1936) is the senior United States Senator from Arizona and presidential nominee of the Republican Party in the 2008 presidential election.

McCain graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1958. He became a naval aviator, flying ground-attack aircraft from aircraft carriers. During the Vietnam War, he nearly lost his life in the 1967 USS Forrestal fire. Later that year while on a bombing mission over North Vietnam, he was shot down, badly injured, and captured as a prisoner of war by the North Vietnamese. He was held from 1967 to 1973, experiencing episodes of torture and refusing an out-of-sequence early repatriation offer; his war wounds would leave him with lifelong physical limitations.

He retired from the Navy as a captain in 1981, moved to Arizona, and entered politics. Elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1982, he served two terms, and was then elected to the U.S. Senate in 1986, winning re-election easily in 1992, 1998, and 2004. While generally adhering to conservative principles, McCain has gained a media reputation as a "maverick" for disagreeing with his party on several key issues. After being investigated and largely exonerated in a political influence scandal of the 1980s as a member of the "Keating Five," he made campaign finance reform one of his signature concerns, which eventually led to the passage of the McCain-Feingold Act in 2002. He is also known for his work towards restoring diplomatic relations with Vietnam in the 1990s, and for his belief that the war in Iraq should be fought to a successful conclusion in the 2000s. McCain has chaired the Senate Commerce Committee, has opposed pork barrel spending, and played a key role in alleviating a crisis over judicial nominations.

McCain lost his bid for the Republican nomination in the 2000 presidential election to George W. Bush. He ran again for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, and gained enough delegates to become the party's presumptive nominee in March 2008. McCain was formally nominated at the 2008 Republican National Convention in September 2008, together with his chosen running mate from Alaska, Governor Sarah Palin.


This man is just not some fly by night....He is a man that loves this country and is not afraid to shake it up to make the changes necessary to do it different. It hasn't worked in a long long time.....we need someone like him who won't take crap or be bought........

Oh Yeah, then why is it when he does, his rating goes down?

Obama is going to Crack under pressure, he has no clue. Hell, he is scared of McCains VP Pick!! They are attacking her bad and it is back firing on obama.

Thank you for leveling. His electibility isn't good, no. No argument there. But voting the "lesser of two evils" makes us all slaves to the two party system. The same two party system that is pretty much rooting for the same basic ideals, that aren't in our best interests. If you vote for only the main two candidates you wont get much "change" at all. We will eventually be paying $10 a gallon, healthcare will be government run/owned making you wait 6 months to get seen, our troops will always be deployed, etc.

Ok, you don't know what change Obama is bringing, he was elected in 2005, what has he accomplished since he has been in the senate?

I think the general message is if you vote for Obama or McCain than you are in for more of the same. May be different people, with some differences in certain smaller ideas, but looking at the big picture niether really discuss what matters. Yes i am for a third party. No i don't like McCain. I have read Obama's website pretty thoroughly and came up with almost NOTHING. He's just preaching. Winning votes by saying "change". Granted he does get a little more specific, but not much. I don't care about parties, or even their personal backgrounds. NIETHER of them have any plans that will CHANGE much of anything. If you disagree, please answer WHAT big issue Obama is gonna change. Cuz he ain't changing foriegn policy, he's just moving troops to a different locations outside the U.S.

I'm wondering who to vote for. and I'm not listening to the dirt people are spewing. I wanna know WHY Senator McCain or Senator Obama should be President

I'd say most are. Dems or repubs. Repubs lately have been neoconservative instead of conservative. Dems are trying to be socialistic. Both are coming up with the same foriegn policies. The only difference between the two are on minor issues. IMO we have all been living in this fantasy world.

why?


(it's tough when you can't slam the opposition isnt it?)

No, god forbid we blame that moronic Govenor, or that Idiotic mayor, it is 100% Bush.

That is why I dislike liberals, they are too arrogant to admit when they are wrong, because they live in their little fantasy world that they are perfect....