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Topic: Vote to put your country first
t22learner's photo
Tue 09/16/08 05:33 PM
"This is simply the worst ticket in modern times. And the victory for this country begins with a unified refusal to accept, not only the McCain/Palin ticket, but also the static and shallow conscience of the Republican base. If we are to support hope, in a cycle of history that may be its last, then a vote for McCain/Palin is a vote for cowardice. A vote not backed up by demand and participation, is an impotent one. A vote for hope followed by demand and action to realize it -- is an American vote. This November, vote American. Vote imagination. Vote hope. Vote your conscience. Vote for the troops. Vote to make me pay higher taxes. (I owe it to your children and my own.) Vote to put your country first." - Sean Penn

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Tue 09/16/08 05:35 PM
Awesome! I'm voting third party!

warmachine's photo
Tue 09/16/08 05:41 PM

Awesome! I'm voting third party!


drinker

Winx's photo
Tue 09/16/08 05:43 PM
Do you guys think that a third party is going to win?

warmachine's photo
Tue 09/16/08 05:45 PM

Do you guys think that a third party is going to win?

If the preconceived notions of the third party having no chance were obliterated...

It's all manipulated by the 2 parties and a complicit media. However I win, when I vote my morals.

Chazster's photo
Tue 09/16/08 05:55 PM
I would rather stay the same place then head the opposite direction that I want.

Winx's photo
Tue 09/16/08 06:30 PM


Do you guys think that a third party is going to win?

If the preconceived notions of the third party having no chance were obliterated...

It's all manipulated by the 2 parties and a complicit media. However I win, when I vote my morals.


Honest question - How does that help our country?

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Tue 09/16/08 07:07 PM

Do you guys think that a third party is going to win?


That depends, will you vote third party?

Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

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Tue 09/16/08 07:12 PM
Edited by xxSp1kexx on Tue 09/16/08 07:20 PM



Do you guys think that a third party is going to win?

If the preconceived notions of the third party having no chance were obliterated...

It's all manipulated by the 2 parties and a complicit media. However I win, when I vote my morals.


Honest question - How does that help our country?


The Libertarian Ideal spawns innovation in the "free" market of America by taking the government hands out of the "free" market... meaning more jobs in America, instead of porting them to China.. speaking of which I am thinking about moving soon to get a job, lol

When you have a large bloated government way over it's head in debt... there are few options... some of which involve invading nations to resolve issues that are not talked about in the media...and for good reason.

The "debates" you see on television are nothing more than poorly written soap operas. They never talk about what they plan on doing with real issues, only glossing the front. They tried to keep real change away from the citizen's eye by excluding Ron Paul and Bob Barr from debates.. men of substance with laid out plans.

I vote for issues, not the "he said, she said" debates that we are witnessing.. of course, that depends if you still believe that voting matters after Bush "won" the elections of the past ;)

www.lp.org

Less Taxes, more Individual Liberty,... what made this country great...

Winx's photo
Tue 09/16/08 07:13 PM


Do you guys think that a third party is going to win?


That depends, will you vote third party?

Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?



I am voting for Obama.

wouldee's photo
Tue 09/16/08 07:15 PM
rthis is the best ticket since Reagan.

period.

end of discussion.


flowers

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Tue 09/16/08 07:26 PM



Do you guys think that a third party is going to win?


That depends, will you vote third party?

Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?



I am voting for Obama.


That's cool.. I am not voting for him because I don't want the government taking more money from me.. I believe I earn the sweat of my brow.. why should the weak take that away from me?

I will either vote for Barr, or Ron Paul... even though he is not in the election.. I will write him in..

I just hope the people of America see there is more behind Obama's facade of "Change"

Bloating the government more, and increased taxes... Change indeed..

sorry if that came across as harsh.. I just dislike Obama and McCain with a passion lol

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Tue 09/16/08 07:33 PM



Do you guys think that a third party is going to win?

If the preconceived notions of the third party having no chance were obliterated...

It's all manipulated by the 2 parties and a complicit media. However I win, when I vote my morals.


Honest question - How does that help our country?


In a country where more people cast votes for the latest American Idol contestant than for president, it at least puts the two parties on notice that if things go too far, you'll still put your cards on the table.

Here in Pa a few years ago, the Dems and Repubs colluded to give themselves an eleventh hour pay raise, and a rather substantial one at that. It so infuriated one guy that he bought an old school bus, painted it pink, put a pig's snout on the grill and ears on the roof and started campaigning against both major parties.

It worked, too. Some of the supposedly untouchable incumbents of both parties in the State legislator got booted out. And, a superior court judge who rubber stamped the legality of the money grab found himself out of job when the voters, for the first time in over a century, voted NO to his retention.

It can work.


-Kerry O.

warmachine's photo
Tue 09/16/08 08:17 PM



Do you guys think that a third party is going to win?

If the preconceived notions of the third party having no chance were obliterated...

It's all manipulated by the 2 parties and a complicit media. However I win, when I vote my morals.


Honest question - How does that help our country?

If we don't get past the retarded partisan brainwashing, it doesn't help anyone, but my own conscience.

It also takes people willing to speak up against both sides, no matter their affiliations to the duopoly.

We're headed for one hell of a mess if we don't take the Republic back from the Republicrats that have usurped the democratic process.

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Tue 09/16/08 09:09 PM



Do you guys think that a third party is going to win?

If the preconceived notions of the third party having no chance were obliterated...

It's all manipulated by the 2 parties and a complicit media. However I win, when I vote my morals.


Honest question - How does that help our country?


It helps by getting publicity to issues Obama Or McCain wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Like, civil rights, foreign policies, the FED screwing up our economy, etc.

We need to focus on government regulation. Voting for Obama or McCain is merely supporting the standard, as both memebers will fight for the "status quo". So i guess what i am saying is, how will voting for republican or democrat help our nation, when niether one has plans to actually "change" anything? Besides, the electoral votes are the ones that count... our votes just count for publicity. Publicity should be focusing pressure on government restrictions.

Patriot Act = very unconstitutional. The government has no right to execute this.

High gas prices - why hasn't gas gone up when recorded in the price of gold? Thats because it hasn't gone up... Too bad the U.S. dollar isn't backed by gold anymore... You can't blame that on Bush either.

Obama may have better philosophies on health care, or birth control, but these are small parts of a big picture that nobody wants to think about. Dems and repubs agree with eachother on the big issues. If they didn't, they wouldn't be allowed to run. In fact there is a committee specificly to make sure of that. Anyhow.... recapping: Vote repub or dem, you will get the same thing. Vote third party, maybe we can help make public the REAL issues, which will give the third party an edge next time arround. Correct me if im wrong on anything...

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Tue 09/16/08 09:15 PM




Do you guys think that a third party is going to win?


That depends, will you vote third party?

Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?



I am voting for Obama.


That's cool.. I am not voting for him because I don't want the government taking more money from me.. I believe I earn the sweat of my brow.. why should the weak take that away from me?

I will either vote for Barr, or Ron Paul... even though he is not in the election.. I will write him in..

I just hope the people of America see there is more behind Obama's facade of "Change"

Bloating the government more, and increased taxes... Change indeed..

sorry if that came across as harsh.. I just dislike Obama and McCain with a passion lol


Barr is called into question because he is trying to hog too much attention (Or so i've been told) As much as i would like to see Ron Paul get publicity, he is not running. He has gathered a group of people who will make public the REAL issues this country has. Ralph Nader,Cynthia McKinney and Chuck Baldwin also stand for the same things. I urge you to take a look at the other three too, since they are definately running at this point... Just a thought...

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Tue 09/16/08 09:19 PM
I voted for Nader in every election he has ran for because i like where he stands with things =D

Redshirt's photo
Tue 09/16/08 09:29 PM
Everyone has a right to vote for whom ever they want. Have voted a few third parties. With the awareness that third parties rarely - if ever win. Got to check that one.

Unfortunately, they more often skew the results in unfavorable - or favorable ways. Depending upon other's points of view.

warmachine's photo
Tue 09/16/08 09:42 PM
You got to look at everyone, not just the candidates the media tells you has a chance. Like: I like Cynthia McKinney, however, her background as a Dem shows up in her platform, as she has some socialist leanings.

Nader, I worry about his health and I wonder if he isn't tunnel visioned to bring down Corporate interests, I appreciate that, but there is more going on that needs repaired than just that.


Baldwin is pretty darned good, he wants a restoration of Constitutional government.

Barr is a CIA man, who changed his party affiliation at the last minute and for whatever reasons the Libertarians selected him over one of their own, Wayne Allen Root.

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Tue 09/16/08 09:43 PM
Edited by mnhiker on Tue 09/16/08 09:44 PM

Everyone has a right to vote for whom ever they want. Have voted a few third parties. With the awareness that third parties rarely - if ever win. Got to check that one.

Unfortunately, they more often skew the results in unfavorable - or favorable ways. Depending upon other's points of view.


It's important to remember that if you vote for a third party candidate, you could swing the vote away from the candidate of the two parties that you LEAST dislike, therefore the candidate you MOST dislike could then become President by default.

Of course if you see no difference at all, then it wouldn't matter.

Although, in all likelihood, your candidate wouldn't win anyway.


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