I like this man.......wanna be friends......

Tell that to the Servants of Pharo that went to bed that night with their one and only baby son in their arms and woke up with a lifeless shell that was once their pride and joy. Imagen that is your child a sinless perfect baby boy. Then say there is no reason to question God. If you can do that then you have no heart.

nope. The LORD God of Israel was JHWH. JHWH spoke to Abraham. Jesus said, before Abraham was, I AM. JHWH was Jesus, before Jesus was manifest in the flesh. Tha Father is not the God of Israel, Jesus, or JHWH is.

And he didn't kill anybody's kids. Find such. and quote it.

you could read it for yourself and be assured of whether or not it says that about killing his sons. I haven't found that, nor do I recall that. The Kingdom was removed from Solomon's family except for the tribe of Judah, and that for his father's sake, David.

Perhaps your friend is thinking of Job's children. They were killed by the Chaldeans, whose god is Lucifer, or Satan, or the devil. Chaldea is modern day Iraq. Which was also Babylon which is Baghdad today.

That's quite a stretch....since the whole concept of Satan & He11 was developed by the RCC.
The Chaldeans recognized the same pantheon as their source Mesopotamian culture - the Sumerians - whose stories (incidentally) were the origins for much of the OT (via the Captivity/Exile in Babylon). This original pantheon became the source for practically all polytheistic pantheons in the region (and some even farther away).
The Chaldean Dynasty was notable for (among other things) recapturing Babylon from the Assyrians, and the conquest of the Southern Kingdom (Judah).

Aik.....the sins of the father can be passed on from generation to generation.

But when someone becomes a christian (by believing in what Jesus did on the cross , and by accepting Jesus into his heart as his Lord and Saviour)........then that christian now also has the authority , to break generation curses off his life ...and off his son's and his son's son's life...in Jesus Name.

As a christian, you are no longer under the curse, and you can pray sins and generational curses broken off your family....period.

(may google for more info on the subject if further interested).

Hope this helps.

A stretch?

Perhaps. Sabeans and Chaldeans were the instruments of the story, as well as a great wind. First chapter of Job as I recollect.

In the end, it is wriiten that Job didn't charge 'God' foolishly for having been blessed and then purged.

My point is that Satan had been given charge over Job by the LORD (JHWH) and by extension used these means to accomplish the feat of impoverishing Job of substance and family.

If anyone is transfering blame and accountability for the deaths, it is the writer's intention to absolve 'God' or the LORD (JHWH) of the damage.

It is the battle of the 'gods', or elohym (which is angels in Hebrew).

The word for God is 'el' in Hebrew. not elohym.

But in the story of Job, the LORD and Satan converse and Satan is given only what is allowed by the LORD within limits, to further against this man, Job.

These are angelic entities in a heirarchic order being displayed in the writing.

The same two voices given as conversant to man in the Book of Genesis which talks of man and woman serving the obedience to two different 'gods' (same elohiym in Genesis) and a breach unfolding in the process. Also the same battle as when Jesus called the religious Jews the synagogue of Satan and the children of lies and murder.

Only this time, in the Book of Job, the two voices are being eavesdropped on by the writer as a witness to the conversation between the two voices and not with the man, in this case, but concerning the state of Job.

But in English it fails as to God, the Creator, in the minds of those that do not have the knowledge of the truth of the original writing....and so is it shared orally without question that God kills men and forgives men for doing the same thing.

Sounds absurd, doesn't it?

It is absurd.

But not if it is depicting a spiritual warfare over the hearts and minds of men.

Interesting?

Christians have no choice but to believe in the entire Old Testament. To denounce the Old Testament is to denounce that Jesus was an incarnation of the God of Abraham. The whole thing falls apart if you try to toss out the Old Testament

Jesus and the God of Abraham are supposed to be one in the same. Jesus is guilty of everything that the God of Abraham ever did. They are one in the same monotheistic God.

Trust me, there are many people who would love to separate Jesus from the Old Testament and make him into a God in his own right. But to do so you would need to denounce the Gospels as being most hearsay and fabrication.

Also, then you’d have the huge question,… “If Jesus wasn’t the God of Abraham, then who was he?”

It would be a whole new God.

You simply can’t separate Jesus from the Old Testament a maintain anything close to the original story.

Therefore if you call yourself a Christian you have no choice but to accept the entire Old Testament. Otherwise you’re just pretending to be a Christian when you genuinely don’t understand what the religion is all about.

correct.

and completely understanding the Old testament is a personal endeavor, because the Jews will not help translate it as they read it in Hebrew. The glaring point is the use of the word 'god' which is actually three different words in Hebrew and THEY DO NOT MEAN THE SAME THING AT ALL.

They , the Jews, don't even want it translated correctly because it risks the Jew that doesn't know Hebrew to be faced with the glaring perception that Jesus is who he says he is, according to the things written about Jesus.

Christians don't necessarily want it translated differently either because it means that Christianity is not the only tree in the forest, though the tree is God's and not man's.

The deceptions and the contradictions would disappear if the Old Testament were referencing god and gods more ACCURATELY.

It remains hidden from view until personal study of its efficacy and veracity is made a personal responsibility by the individual seeking truth as depicted, not as assumed.

Assuming then, that it is purely an intellectual exercise and one of necessity, which is a personal choice.

I think your friend is getting mixed up with Solomons father. Solomon was very rightous. He asked for wisdom to lead not riches and he was given both. King David Lusted After Uzziah's wife Batheba. While Uzziah was off to war David fell in love with his wife and got her pregnant. To cover this up he Had Uzziah sent to the front lines where he knew he would be killed. david was alright with this untill I think a prophet told him a story and David said of course he is wrong and should be punished. Then the prophet revealed to David this was him and what he did. Yahweh took the son that he Had with basheba for murder and adultry. This I believe is one reason Solomon built the Temple instead of David. Kinda like when Moses for disobeying was not allowed into the promice land.

As for Sodom and Gommorrah that verse in Eze. that was quoted is excellent.They had no mercy or kindness towards the poor and the widow. James says this religion is worthless.

As for the Jews not using the Holy name YHWH because the hebrew language has vowel points instead vowels like we have we get Yahweh from those Vowel points as names Transliterate not translate between languages. They stopped saying the Holy name because of the 3rd commandment. They decided if only the High Priest said it then the people could not break it. So they put Hashem (meaning The Name) everyplace they saw YHWH. You will find in the OT LORD in capitals over 6900 times. Which means YHWH is what is really thier. The problem being taking Yahweh's name in vain is way more than disrespecting it. If you look in a strongs or lexicon you will see that vain means actually...destruction, bring to ruin. make of no use. Which is exactly what has happened and people still in many religions refuse to call upon Yahweh and you shall be saved. As if Yahweh said that just for fun. It is a salvatial issue. If you ever wonder what Blaspemy of the Holy Spirit is study the 3rd commandment close and see what it says. yahshua was Yahweh in the OT. He came in his name. Yahshua is not Yahweh he was the one who spoke for him. The same as in the NT. Because if the OT Yahweh was really the father. Then Moses would of Died. Jacob and so on. Because no one has seen the Father Yahweh and lived. So the 2 can not be one in the same as has been taught. Yahweh did kill in the OT people who disobeyed. The ones who took idols and gold from Jericho Yahweh has them finally confess and them and thier families were sucked in by the earth as Yahweh opened it up and then closed it back. This was before ai.

The word El has been taken as g-d this is not true. The El is the family of El which are the spirit beings who never was his son. The Angels. Elohim Yahweh Calls himself over and over showing his authority.When Yahshua cried out My El My El. why have you forsaken me. This is what satan quoted...

Satan said this and said it is written about Yahshua. Can you find where that prophecy Yahshua fullfilled? Satan tempted him to fullfill that prophecy but it was not time yet.

Here is where that prophecy is from what does it mean?

Ps 91:9-12

9 Because you have made Yahweh, who is my refuge,
Even the Most High, your dwelling place,
10 No evil shall befall you,
Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling;
11 For He shall give His angels charge over you,
To keep you in all your ways.
12 In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone
NKJV


Did that happen at the stake? Did the Angels forsake him?

Matt 27:45-46

Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Yahshua cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"
NKJV
Now right thier you can see Yahshua and his disples spoke Hebrew. Yet we have a greek NT.. Think about that.

Remember what satan said the Angels would protect him.

But what you are really reading is they will after his death. He was speaking to the Angels who had charge over him.

So what happened after his death?

What is curios about these next verses concerning the angels having charge over him.

Matt 28:1-4

Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of Yahweh descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
NKJV


What did the Angels come to do? You can finish the rest of the story. Blessings...Miles

excellent, Miles.

The one exception I would share to 'el' not being a part of a name, necessarily, would be in Genesis 14: 16-22, where Abram declares that the LORD is the most high God (el) and where 'most high' is an adjective and expressed as 'elyown' and where it is expressed in Chaldean as a name meaning "the Supreme" in Daniel 7:25 solely as 'The Most High'and found no where else in scripture as a name, but as an adjective.
It seems like hair splitting, but in Daniel's use of the word 'elyown', as a Chaldean writing , he is speaking to the kingdom expressed as the the one given the saints of the 'Most High' which is everlasting. This word in Chaldean is only used here in scripture at all and deserves it's peculiarity as not being clearly used in Hebrew context and use as is commonly acceptable to the uniqueness of it being expressed as only an adjective everywhere else in scripture when referring to the 'most high' in the Hebrew texts.

So, in Genesis, it is clear that 'el' refers to the LORD (JHWH or YJWH, if you prefer) and none other.

It is not a family name there, nor is it a spirit being that was never God's Son, since JHWH/YHWH is God's Son, and only begotten.



Genesis 14: 22.

And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God(el), the possessor of heaven and earth,.


The vast majority of your understanding is excellent, Miles.

Thanks Wooldee

That means alot after all the squabbling we were doing Shalom Friend Miles

Jeremiah 32:18.


"Thou shewest loving kindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: The Great, the Mighty (gibbowr) God (el), the LORD of hosts, is his name,"




added....
recompensest... shalam; a prim root; to be safe(in mind, body or estate); fig. to be(caus. make) completed; by implication 'to be friendly'; by extens. to reciprocate (in various applications):-make amends, (make an)end, finish, full, give again, make good,(re)PAY (AGAIN), (MAKE) (TO) (BE AT)PEACE(-able), that is perfect, perform, (make) prosper(-ous), recompense, render, requite,make restitution, restore, reward, X surely.

peace, my brother

Was he punished FOR having multiple wives or punished BY having multiple wives. I had enough problems with just one!

Now this is one thing we can all come together on.

What part of raping a child is good for that child? It happens far to much, I don't give a FU*K what god does or doesnt do. Quit defending a no good vouyer, This is hell. You can tell me how good it was for you when it happens to you.

Dont listen to any of these people. Most of them have no idea what they are talking about.

No need to add anything thanks Wouldee and Miles.......

and we have a straight jacket that is calling your name....hear it.....

mirror

mirror

on the wall

put the jacket on

before you fall