Aikido
When Something Bad as rape DOES happen God can turn the evil into something Good, he doesn't cause evil but he can take something meant for evil and make something Beautiful.

Even if someone gives into their lust in such a Horrible way and the woman gets preg. God could use that Child to find a cure for something or do something great for humankind, if the child doesn't get aborted.

If a child is deformed That child can still be used to do something GREAT for God.

Take Nick Vujicic for instance he was Born with no arms and no legs and he is doing great things for God.
Google his name and watch his videos maybe you'll get something out of it.

VERY well said

I love Nick.... I have had the pleasure of meeting this most amazing man.......And thanks for this post.....very well said...

With God there is a reason for all.....You might not understand it at the time, but it will eventually be revealed, in God's time, not ours.

It's just another case of people blaming God for things. Why do you even take those stories seriously? Read something that makes more sense. Stop taking those old scriptures so literally. People back then did not know more about God than you do. They were barely conscious.

JB

Having multiple wives should have been punishment enough for sure.

"GOD" has no wrath against humans. I know if I were "GOD" I woulda done wiped out the human race for our evilness

It is not neccessarily a sin to have more than one wife.

Sin is only defined within religious doctrine anyway.

I would like to have three husbands but I don't believe in the institution of marriage. Here's why:

Marriage is a contract between a Man, a woman and THE STATE.
I don't think THE STATE has any business being in my contracts. I claim my sovereignty.

Religion will try to convince you that marriage is a contract between a man, a woman and God. If that were true, there would be no need to sign the contract and send it in to THE STATE.

Therefore, I am looking for three good men who want to be my fantasy. No marriage with the State. It would help if they liked each other. We can pool our resources and live like three kings and a queen.

well first of all I am a Christian and if your going to speak of the people of the old testament then you may want to speak of all people in the old testament. There were jewish, gentiles, Israelites, Moebites, Egyptians, etc. And not all worshiped false idols.

What separates the old testament mainly from the new....Is that through Jesus the mosiac law no longer was needed....As through Christ is where our salvation comes. And no longer was it just the jewish people that were God's people. Now also as I have studied with jewish people.....not Judaism but people that were jews as a birth right.....who will disagree with this because they don't believe in Jesus...Only God. Yes you have Jewish people that are Christians, but they are shunned by their own people for it.

And I find it really rude for anyone #1 to call the Bible I use everyday stories.....To me they are not....they are history. And then to assume that you know anything about how the people were in that time is pathetically neive.. Again I say to all, I don't care what you believe but call my Bible, myths or stories and you will have a fight each and every time.

To you the Bible is special. I understand that. But you need to understand that not everyone feels the same as you about that.

A book is a book to me. I evaluate it as a book. I don't even consider the stories in the bible to be accurate history. I believe all information is valid in some way and I look for truth and agenda. There is always some truth and some agenda in all writings.

I don't intend to fight or argue with anyone on the basis of my opinions. My opinions are mine and yours are yours. There is nothing to argue or "fight" about. I am not, nor would I ever try to get you to change your opinions.

If you believe in your Bible then my opinions should not bother you or cause you the need to defend or fight for your beliefs. No one is trying to change your beliefs. Are your beliefs in peril? Do you fear my opinion might put them in danger? Do you think that my reasoning is powerful enough to change your belief?

If you say no, then there is no reason for you to defend your beliefs if they are sound. You only need to defend them if they are weak.

JB

I understand what feral migh be feeling. it is personal beliefs. i know some that think if the christians make an arguement...then it's forcing their views on others. it goes the other way as well. i don't believe i have ever said someone's belief is a fairy tale. i can respect their belief whether i agree or not. it's not a matter if a weak or strong belief...it can be taken as an isult and feel belittling to one's belief....for any belief

Most Christians really do impose their beliefs on others. No offense, but it is true. I live in an area controled by religious fundamentalists. I grew up here. We got preachers claiming to have magic powers. How silly is that ?

that's there belief...however i am not on of those...and usually experience on here people trying to tear others down for their belief

Well I can understand that. I've been ridiculed for my theories and beliefs too. I have been told that I am nuts, that I am delusional, that I am living in fantasy land etc.

The difference, I guess, is that I don't insist to everyone that I am right ~~ and they are wrong ~~ nor do I claim that I "know" I am right and everyone else is wrong.

I don't know anything of the sort, ~~ and I am not going to be delusional about that idea.

If it turns out that I am wrong about something, guess what? It won't be all that devastating shocking to my body mind and soul. I will simply re-adjust the information and evidence, and look for another model of reality that fits or makes sense.

When someone tells me I am wrong or that I am "delusional" but they don't have a better model of reality or any acceptable evidence or information to support it I can't change my model just because they say I should or because they think I am rude for saying what I think.

This is a public forum. I would not come to your church and tell you what I think, nor would I come to your home and tell you these things.

But for those who want to "fight" me because I am honest and strait forward in stating what I consider or think, I don't know what to say to them. I really don't. Don't take it personal? Consider the source?

Christians state their beliefs openly all the time, do they not? They are very "matter of fact" about it. They expect everyone to agree.

Do you think that is rude?

JB

JB....i never said that anyone shouldn't state their beliefs. to each...their beliefs are true...i for one won't say others are wrong either. but to ME it's true. i have encouraged people to talk about their beliefs...even started a thread for it...which hardly anyone joined into. i don't believe anyone (no matter what religion) should tear down someone's beliefs. not talking about you...i'm talking about anyone. i will however defend my beliefs though

I don't know if it is possible to state your beliefs without seeming to "tear down" another belief that opposes it. (That is called debate I think.)

I don't think you need to defend your beliefs unless you feel your beliefs need defending. They only need defended if you become inflexible and you are refusing to consider any new information.

I consider all information, and I don't defend my beliefs. I question them and reevaluate them. I think that is the way to find truth. That is my path.

JB

i defend my belief as i would my son. because it's somethig important to me. when i say tear down...i'm talking about the words used...like that's stupid...are you and idiot...things like that.

That would be called a personal attack. I don't consider that to be an attack on the belief itself.

You are within your rights to defend yourself against personal attacks. (Except for verbal flame wars on public forums who might kick you off for it.)

But in cases of personal attacks the thing to do is to consider the source. If you maintain calm and remain civil, the other person just looks rude.

JB

If your concern is that God did this horrible thing to the sons due to the sins of the father, if you read The Bible, you'll discover that the Old Testament will raise a lot of questions that can really make you think WTF? I know I certainly did. Finish the book. Or read the book for that matter! It's supposed to be the best book ever written! And then you can answer your own questions without having to rely on the biases of others.

Finish the book? The Bible is not just one book. It is a bunch of manuscripts put together. It is a collection of books and stories.

JB