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Topic: Gods rath?
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Fri 03/28/08 04:26 PM
Was working the other day and a co worker said that king solman was punnished for having multipule wifes, said that god killed his sons WTF? He must be crazy right?

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Fri 03/28/08 04:32 PM
Is he wrong? Christans can't beleive that sons pay for the fathers sins? Can they?

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Fri 03/28/08 04:32 PM
I'm not touchin this one either...

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Fri 03/28/08 04:35 PM

I'm not touchin this one either...


Just wanted to know if he is crazy or right(about the bible, not a real god)

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Fri 03/28/08 04:40 PM
Any bible thumpers? Just want to know?

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Fri 03/28/08 04:43 PM
Christans can't beleive that sons pay for the fathers sins? Can they?


This is typical behavior of the Biblical God all the way through the book.

God gave the ok for Satan to murder Job’s sons just to ‘test’ Job’s faith in God.

Clearly the souls of his son’s were insignificant.

There are many instances where God kills even babies just to make a point. Like when he killed all the first born of Egypt because he had hardened the Pharos’s heart to not set the Jews free.

The writers of the bible forgot to take into account that all these supposedly insignificant souls that are being killed are supposed to also be people in their own right.

I can fully understand your point of view. These stories suggest that when God focuses on the main character in a story then all-of-a-sudden all other people are reduced to insignificant props in a play.

So you better watch out! You might be struck dead by a bolt of lightening just because God is making a point to someone else. laugh

Seriously, it makes you wonder just how insignificant we are huh?

This is why I believe that the stories are entirely the fabrication of men’s imaginations. What kind of a creator would behave the way the Bible claims?

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Fri 03/28/08 04:45 PM

Christans can't beleive that sons pay for the fathers sins? Can they?


This is typical behavior of the Biblical God all the way through the book.

God gave the ok for Satan to murder Job’s sons just to ‘test’ Job’s faith in God.

Clearly the souls of his son’s were insignificant.

There are many instances where God kills even babies just to make a point. Like when he killed all the first born of Egypt because he had hardened the Pharos’s heart to not set the Jews free.

The writers of the bible forgot to take into account that all these supposedly insignificant souls that are being killed are supposed to also be people in their own right.

I can fully understand your point of view. These stories suggest that when God focuses on the main character in a story then all-of-a-sudden all other people are reduced to insignificant props in a play.

So you better watch out! You might be struck dead by a bolt of lightening just because God is making a point to someone else. laugh

Seriously, it makes you wonder just how insignificant we are huh?

This is why I believe that the stories are entirely the fabrication of men’s imaginations. What kind of a creator would behave the way the Bible claims?

laugh laugh so true

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Fri 03/28/08 04:47 PM

Christans can't beleive that sons pay for the fathers sins? Can they?


This is typical behavior of the Biblical God all the way through the book.

God gave the ok for Satan to murder Job’s sons just to ‘test’ Job’s faith in God.

Clearly the souls of his son’s were insignificant.

There are many instances where God kills even babies just to make a point. Like when he killed all the first born of Egypt because he had hardened the Pharos’s heart to not set the Jews free.

The writers of the bible forgot to take into account that all these supposedly insignificant souls that are being killed are supposed to also be people in their own right.

I can fully understand your point of view. These stories suggest that when God focuses on the main character in a story then all-of-a-sudden all other people are reduced to insignificant props in a play.

So you better watch out! You might be struck dead by a bolt of lightening just because God is making a point to someone else. laugh

Seriously, it makes you wonder just how insignificant we are huh?

This is why I believe that the stories are entirely the fabrication of men’s imaginations. What kind of a creator would behave the way the Bible claims?


Thats what I thought, but didn't want to be ingorant about it. Any God that would kill my son for something I did is not to be worshiped

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Fri 03/28/08 05:01 PM
Anyone that will defend him? I guess he's just misguided(a nice way of saying taken advantage of)

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Fri 03/28/08 05:52 PM
I don't know why polygamy was tolerated in the Old Testament. It's an interesting question and one I was asked the other night.

Solomon was the son of King David and Bathsheba. His brother was Absalom (lit. father of peace), but a famous rebel.

Solomon asked God for wisdom and was granted it, but he sometimes did not act on that wisdom. He is a literal lesson that unless we continue walking with God on a regular basis, we stand to lose many of our benefits. My pastor says one can even lose ones salvation by not continuing to walk with the Lord and I do believe one can slip away. Lord knows, I have at times.

That being said, Solomon began well. He built a temple for the Lord and a magnificent palace for himself. He kind of ignored David's words about walking with the Lord (believe it was 1 or 2 Kings 2:3 and 4. He also disregarded warnings against marrying foreigners in Deuteronomy.

Here, there were warnings against marrying foreign women because they would lead their husbands astray and into the worship of idols and strange Gods. Indeed, in those days, worship of some of those Gods could involve human sacrifice, the sacrifice of children. A disgusting practice!

Solomon didn't stop at one, he had hundreds of wives and the son who followed him, I believe, had Jezebel as a wife and the strife and turmoil created by the regime ended up splitting Israel so badly that it was not reunited until 1948.

As for the sins of the fathers being visited to subsequent generations, it works like this: If parents train up their kids in the way they should go, they will not depart from it when they are older.

Train your kid in chaos, you'll reap chaos when they're older.

Train your kids in goodness, worship, fellowship, discipleship, ministry and missions, and chances are you'll get decent results.

You reap what you sow.

Hopefully, that will begin to explain these things to you. I think it is great to be curious about things that are in the Bible and to ask about them and study them. Appreciate your question and hope to see more from you.

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Fri 03/28/08 06:14 PM

I don't know why polygamy was tolerated in the Old Testament. It's an interesting question and one I was asked the other night.

Solomon was the son of King David and Bathsheba. His brother was Absalom (lit. father of peace), but a famous rebel.

Solomon asked God for wisdom and was granted it, but he sometimes did not act on that wisdom. He is a literal lesson that unless we continue walking with God on a regular basis, we stand to lose many of our benefits. My pastor says one can even lose ones salvation by not continuing to walk with the Lord and I do believe one can slip away. Lord knows, I have at times.

That being said, Solomon began well. He built a temple for the Lord and a magnificent palace for himself. He kind of ignored David's words about walking with the Lord (believe it was 1 or 2 Kings 2:3 and 4. He also disregarded warnings against marrying foreigners in Deuteronomy.

Here, there were warnings against marrying foreign women because they would lead their husbands astray and into the worship of idols and strange Gods. Indeed, in those days, worship of some of those Gods could involve human sacrifice, the sacrifice of children. A disgusting practice!

Solomon didn't stop at one, he had hundreds of wives and the son who followed him, I believe, had Jezebel as a wife and the strife and turmoil created by the regime ended up splitting Israel so badly that it was not reunited until 1948.

As for the sins of the fathers being visited to subsequent generations, it works like this: If parents train up their kids in the way they should go, they will not depart from it when they are older.

Train your kid in chaos, you'll reap chaos when they're older.

Train your kids in goodness, worship, fellowship, discipleship, ministry and missions, and chances are you'll get decent results.

You reap what you sow.

Hopefully, that will begin to explain these things to you. I think it is great to be curious about things that are in the Bible and to ask about them and study them. Appreciate your question and hope to see more from you.

I get that but my co worker said that god killed his sons for king solmans insolance, what a horrable thought

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Fri 03/28/08 06:16 PM

Was working the other day and a co worker said that king solman was punnished for having multipule wifes, said that god killed his sons WTF? He must be crazy right?
huh Whats "Gods rath" and who is "king solman" ??huh

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Fri 03/28/08 06:17 PM


Was working the other day and a co worker said that king solman was punnished for having multipule wifes, said that god killed his sons WTF? He must be crazy right?
huh Whats "Gods rath" and who is "king solman" ??huh


read the post mirror,glasses
too drunk to explaindrinker

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Fri 03/28/08 06:18 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Fri 03/28/08 06:19 PM

Is he wrong? Christans can't beleive that sons pay for the fathers sins? Can they?
laugh Christians dont believe that.laugh laugh Christianity didnt exist at that time sillylaugh "king solman" wasnt a Christian.laugh

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Fri 03/28/08 06:21 PM
glasses If you are referring to the Jewish King Soloman, I would just like to point out to you that he wasnt a Christian.glasses He was Jewish.glasses Christianity didnt exist yet.glasses huh You didnt know that? huh

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Fri 03/28/08 06:26 PM

glasses If you are referring to the Jewish King Soloman, I would just like to point out to you that he wasnt a Christian.glasses He was Jewish.glasses Christianity didnt exist yet.glasses huh You didnt know that? huh

my coworker is a very devout christan, crazy but devout.

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Fri 03/28/08 07:12 PM
Many christians don't (for some reason) seem to make the distinction that all the people in the old testament were either jewish or "idolitors".

But the "god" worshipped is the same one in both books. The old testament god is the "father" from the "father, son, holy ghost" trilogy of the new testament.

So jewish or christian- does it matter? It was the same god who killed the children for the fathers "wrong" doing.
noway


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Fri 03/28/08 08:59 PM

Many christians don't (for some reason) seem to make the distinction that all the people in the old testament were either jewish or "idolitors".

But the "god" worshipped is the same one in both books. The old testament god is the "father" from the "father, son, holy ghost" trilogy of the new testament.

So jewish or christian- does it matter? It was the same god who killed the children for the fathers "wrong" doing.
noway



thats what I wanted to know, Its all misguided bullsh*t used to control peoples lifes to get what you want.

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Fri 03/28/08 09:16 PM
The ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah have been discovered southeast of the Dead Sea. The modern names are Bab edh-Dhra, thought to be Sodom, and Numeira, thought to be Gomorrah. Both places were destroyed at the same time by an enormous conflagration. The destruction debris was about three feet thick. What brought about this awful calamity? Startling discoveries in the cemetery at Bab edh-Dhra revealed the cause. Archaeologists found that buildings used to bury the dead were burned by a fire that started on the roof.

What would cause every structure in the cemetery to be destroyed in this way? The answer to the mystery is found in the Bible. “Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens” (Genesis 19:24). The only conceivable explanation for this unique discovery in the annals of archaeology is that burning debris fell on the buildings from the air. But how could such a thing happen?

There is ample evidence of subterranean deposits of a petroleum-based substance called bitumen, similar to asphalt, in the region south of the Dead Sea. Such material normally contains a high percentage of sulfur. It has been postulated by geologist Frederick Clapp that pressure from an earthquake could have caused the bitumen deposits to be forced out of the earth through a fault line. As it gushed out of the earth it could have been ignited by a spark or surface fire. It would then fall to earth as a burning, fiery mass.

It was only after Clapp formulated this theory that Sodom and Gomorrah were found. It turns out that the sites are located exactly on a fault line along the eastern side of a plain south of the Dead Sea, so Clapp's theory is entirely plausible. There is some evidence for this scenario from the Bible itself. Abraham viewed the destruction from a vantage point west of the Dead Sea. The Bible records what Abraham saw: “He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace” (Genesis 19:28). Dense smoke suggests smoke from a petroleum-based fire. Smoke rising like smoke from a furnace indicates a forced draft, such as would be expected from subterranean deposits being forced out of the ground under pressure.

The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah became an example in the Bible of how God judges sin. “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before Me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen” (Ezekiel 16:49-50).

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Fri 03/28/08 09:32 PM
Shouldn't that be WRATH?
I've never heard of rath before....LOL
There is more to the story than people look at and no one even want's to see What God's purpose's in all of it was.
First of all do you even know what the son's of Job were doing when they were crushed by the house?
PARTYING!!!! The might have been wicked people and they more then likely were disobeying God anyway so it was like 2 birds.
Yes there are things that get passed down from the father BUT it is our choice in the long run and WE have to break that curse our father gave us.
Another thing you guys over looked is that the Pharoh wasn't going to change his mind anyway so God did something that was going to happen reguardless anyway.
God has a plan and you can't always see it and most of the time people are blind to it even so there shouldn't ever be a reason to question God when he has the Best interest for everyone in mind because it all works out in the end. {Unless you become bitter and curse God then that is a different story}

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