Disaronno...please don't take this wrong...but are you being sarcastic or serious? it's hard for me tell sometimes online

Look, if you want to 'show your human face' to an unjust situation - why not go talk to some of the soldiers returning home that are committing suicide in record numbers?

What type of numbers? Instead of quoting numbers without 'human faces' let's put it a different way. Let's create two groups of soldiers.

The first group?
Those directly killed by enemy actions in Iraq. Let's say they fit in a standard NFL sized stadium.

The second group:
Those who committed or attempted to commit suicide after returning home from tour(s) in Iraq. This group needs all of one stadium, and could fill a second one with the normal attendance of most team's non-bowl type games.

You want to get all self-righteous? Here is a worthy topic, about which you can do something, and people would applaud your *ACTIONS* - instead of the constant meaningless barrage of trivial, half-baked whining you normally post of which there is not a single thing you can do about.

never mind...just got my answer

Yellow - quite a bit of both. Sorry - my sarcastic side tends to come out when addressing folks who *just haven't a clue*. (and don't even realize they are clueless about the machinations of the real world)

Doc and Driving are attempting to point out(with more patience than I possess on occasions) that while some people spew on and on about how things "should" work, and all the "wrongs" other people commit - They themselves cannot even figure out and post a workable plan. Hell - if they are that good and righteous - perhaps they should run for office.

no hun...i'm having my blonde day today....lack of sleep too

No problem - will turn my sarcastic mode off now

Seriously? Doc and Driving (and any other deployed or been deployed folks)

Thanks. For Everything.

don't turn it off...but could you maybe wink just for me so I know?

Maya Schenwar??? Which unit is she fighting in?? When you are there or have been there. Feel free to tell me your opinion,until then...STFU!!!!!!!!!

A war with rules is a war where too many good guys are injured and killed directly because of them.

This is especially true when the other side will not only not follow the rules, but will exploit them to maim, kill, and use their enemies own media (which LOVES to demonize soldiers whenever they can) as propaganda against those who are forced to follow rules made up by men and women sitting in comfortable offices.

I see this is floating back to this...Nobody has to shut up, that is why soldiers are fighting wars, so we can keep this freedom called speech. If I have an opinion on the war and wish to express it, that is within my full power to do so and if you don't like that opinion you don't have to read it...

I will take the Geneva Convention for $400 alex!!!

I think some here would rather see some of us visit the Hague.

War.....what is it good for???



Absolutely nothing.

Oh, I don't know....you might want to consider the roughly 7,500 Jews who were liberated from Auschwitz by Allied forces on a cold January morning in 1945 and consider whether or not they felt that war (or for them, being spared certain death) was good for something just a bit more important than absolutely nothing.

-Drew

I don't recall a war created by people of jewish faith.....

Prisoners of war?

hmmm... no..prisoners of prejudice...

Unfourtanetly a terrible necessity.

Your point above has the unique properties of both making my point for me and discrediting the "absolutely nothing" mentality. My point was that in the case of those liberated from concentration camps, war was indeed very good for something.

-Drew

Freedom of speech or propaganda for the enemy. Okay we get it. War is bad. You don't like it and you don't like the fact that we are in it. But you continue to do nothing positive. Are you pro-troop? Then send letters or care packages. Don't shield yourself with free speech. People who spend their time on here downing our government,president,how wrong America is and how right the U.N. is. You act as if your some kind of warrior poet. How much experiance do you have in this area. P.S. This is a DATING SITE. Has someone actually came along and said to you "Wow! It really turns me on the way you bad mouth the U.S.." Get a hobby.

ROSE: And obviously, what we want to accomplish on this fifth anniversary of the American invasion, or the coalition invasion of Iraq, is how they see it as Iraqis, five years later.

Give me an assessment.

ALI FADHIL: That's a big question, assessment. Well, basically, probably, I`ll kind of sum it in a few words.

It's -- we have a country where the government is not functioning after five years. We have too many internal problems. And we have the violence increasing day after day.

We have a huge crisis of refugees inside and outside Iraq. We have a total failure of the -- of the civilian -- the civilian structure and what's happening inside. We have the sectarian divisions increasing. We didn't have that before. Now we have it.

So, basically, my assessment is we have a whole nation called Iraq, now it's wiped out.

CHARLIE ROSE: And Iraq is worse off because the United States came?

ALI FADHIL: It's worse off because the United States came to Iraq, definitely, and because the United States did all these mistakes in Iraq.

And:
CHARLIE ROSE: So where do we go from here? Five years after the invasion of Iraq, what is a wise American policy?

ALI FADHIL: Let me start with telling you what is happening right now, what is the American policy right now in Iraq.

It's so shame to say that America is in Iraq right now, and particularly the State Department and also the Pentagon as well, the U.S. Army in Iraq. They're going back to Saddam's policies in everything. . . . If you, you know, name it, name the most successful project of the surge -- outcome of the surge, the (INAUDIBLE) councils. You know, these insurgents, the Sunnis, even Shiites.

CHARLIE ROSE: The so-called awakening.

ALI FADHIL: Awakening council, exactly. They're giving them money to protect their own neighborhoods. Isn't that the same what happened under Saddam? . . .

Anything [Americans] do -- probably even in good intentions -- is bad for us, everything they do, everything. There's nothing they're doing is right.

And that's what is going to happen. It's just prolonging the diaspora of the Iraqis. We're suffering more and more every day. We need, you know, to start the salvation (ph). . .

SINAN ANTOON: The president today said something really obscene to my mind. He said Iraq is witnessing the first Arab uprising against al Qaeda.

We did not have al Qaeda in Iraq before.We had a ruthless dictatorship.
this is from PBS http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/26/iraq_debate/index.html

Battle flag in the bassinet
Oil and blood on the bayonet
Crowded downtown hit the floor
What are we fightin' for?

What are we fightin' for?
What are we fightin' for?

The world got smaller but the bombs got bigger
Holocaust on a hairpin trigger
Aint no game so forget the score
What are we fightin' for?

What are we fightin' for?
What are we fightin' for?
What are we fightin' for?

What will I tell my daughter?
What will you tell your son?
Where were all the doves?
That we were nothing but a shadow,
a faceless generation devoid of love?

The crucifix ain't no baseball bat
Tell me what kind of God is that?
Ain't nothing more godless than a war
So what are we fightin' for?

What are we fightin' for?
What are we fightin' for?
What are we fightin' for?

What will I tell my daughter?
What will you tell your son?
Where were all the doves?
That we were nothing but a shadow,
A faceless generation?

What are we fightin' for?