Topic: Ron Paul
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Thu 04/03/08 09:01 AM
Actually I understood it quite clearly, I've listened to this man speak, he reminds of the Nativists from the late 1800s, during the Tammany Hall era in New York, that was a horrible time for foreigners and all kinds of minorities (Gangs of New York, anyone?) The sentiments expressed in that movie are similar to what Ron Paul expresses, obviously on a lower scale. I mean if this country can't support all these immigrants then why create the false to illusion as a land of "freedom"? it lures these poor people, dreaming their big dreams, only to find it not at all to what they expected, but we can go to their countries and live comfortably? I don't agree with that at all..

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Thu 04/03/08 09:11 AM
Edited by mnhiker on Thu 04/03/08 09:12 AM

Actually I understood it quite clearly, I've listened to this man speak, he reminds of the Nativists from the late 1800s, during the Tammany Hall era in New York, that was a horrible time for foreigners and all kinds of minorities (Gangs of New York, anyone?) The sentiments expressed in that movie are similar to what Ron Paul expresses, obviously on a lower scale. I mean if this country can't support all these immigrants then why create the false to illusion as a land of "freedom"? it lures these poor people, dreaming their big dreams, only to find it not at all to what they expected, but we can go to their countries and live comfortably? I don't agree with that at all..


We can go to their countries and live comfortably?

Did you know that the euro is a lot stronger than the dollar now, so the dollar doesn't go as far as it used to?

Not in Europe anyway.

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Thu 04/03/08 09:21 AM

well what i've been led to believe by our education system is that this nation is suppose to be a haven to those that want to start a life and become something. Now all I hear are complaints about foreigners, very discouraging to those that think the US is still the best country in the world. far from it I should think.


Well it is the place to become something and start a life. You are promised Life, Liberty and the **PURSUIT** of happiness.

Hey - I don't have advanced degrees, came from a very blue-collar, working class family from Hickville. I certainly cannot complain a bit about my life now in the least. I have all a man needs, and then some.
Sure...I could have stayed in Hickville, and been okay. I chose to leave and see what else is out there. Best decision I have yet to make.
I busted my a** for it, continue to the same, and I am well rewarded with the "American Dream"

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Thu 04/03/08 11:02 AM

Actually I understood it quite clearly, I've listened to this man speak, he reminds of the Nativists from the late 1800s, during the Tammany Hall era in New York, that was a horrible time for foreigners and all kinds of minorities (Gangs of New York, anyone?) The sentiments expressed in that movie are similar to what Ron Paul expresses, obviously on a lower scale. I mean if this country can't support all these immigrants then why create the false to illusion as a land of "freedom"? it lures these poor people, dreaming their big dreams, only to find it not at all to what they expected, but we can go to their countries and live comfortably? I don't agree with that at all..


i really don't understand how you came to the conclusion. you're speaking of racism and that's nothing i saw from the man. no, he speaks about taking care of ourselves. taking care of our economy, our people, and guarding our money more closely. he's a libertarian, one who believes in the constitution above all else.

you're deamonizing the man and i haven't seen any evidence of such things. in another thread i saw you support obama, correct? so here we have ron paul speaking on nothing but the benifit of the american people, and he's sqeaky clean. obama on the other hand, well we can't go a week without some bs he's done coming up. or really, lack of action on his part. since he's done very little during his time in political office, least he could do is vote

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Thu 04/03/08 04:20 PM
Edited by mnhiker on Thu 04/03/08 04:20 PM


Actually I understood it quite clearly, I've listened to this man speak, he reminds of the Nativists from the late 1800s, during the Tammany Hall era in New York, that was a horrible time for foreigners and all kinds of minorities (Gangs of New York, anyone?) The sentiments expressed in that movie are similar to what Ron Paul expresses, obviously on a lower scale. I mean if this country can't support all these immigrants then why create the false to illusion as a land of "freedom"? it lures these poor people, dreaming their big dreams, only to find it not at all to what they expected, but we can go to their countries and live comfortably? I don't agree with that at all..


i really don't understand how you came to the conclusion. you're speaking of racism and that's nothing i saw from the man. no, he speaks about taking care of ourselves. taking care of our economy, our people, and guarding our money more closely. he's a libertarian, one who believes in the constitution above all else.

you're deamonizing the man and i haven't seen any evidence of such things. in another thread i saw you support obama, correct? so here we have ron paul speaking on nothing but the benifit of the american people, and he's sqeaky clean. obama on the other hand, well we can't go a week without some bs he's done coming up. or really, lack of action on his part. since he's done very little during his time in political office, least he could do is vote


It doesn't matter.

Ron Paul isn't going to win the presidency anyway, unless it's by default.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 04/03/08 04:22 PM
laugh laugh laugh

toastedoranges's photo
Thu 04/03/08 04:23 PM
It doesn't matter.

Ron Paul isn't going to win the presidency anyway, unless it's by default.


very true, and it's quite a shame

noblenan's photo
Thu 04/03/08 06:47 PM

It doesn't matter.

Ron Paul isn't going to win the presidency anyway, unless it's by default.


very true, and it's quite a shame


But, spreading the word that there is someone out there who understands the plight of most Americans, as well as the world, and, who has solutions for those problems, will make it possible to bring down the status quo and really makes some changes for the better. The bottom line is that this country, as a government and as a people cannot continue at the pace that we have been going. There is not a bottomless pit of money to pay for everything. I hate to sound all gloom and doom, but I just hope we have four more years.

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Thu 04/03/08 06:52 PM


It doesn't matter.

Ron Paul isn't going to win the presidency anyway, unless it's by default.


very true, and it's quite a shame


But, spreading the word that there is someone out there who understands the plight of most Americans, as well as the world, and, who has solutions for those problems, will make it possible to bring down the status quo and really makes some changes for the better. The bottom line is that this country, as a government and as a people cannot continue at the pace that we have been going. There is not a bottomless pit of money to pay for everything. I hate to sound all gloom and doom, but I just hope we have four more years.


We can't afford four more years of 'What, Me Worry?' in Iraq.

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Thu 04/03/08 07:49 PM
I don't understand how it is that most people haven't heard of Ron Paul as has been suggested by another poster. Don't people know who is running for the presidency of the country they live in?
Don't they care enough to at least figure out who's who?

Nealinho10's photo
Fri 04/04/08 01:28 PM
All Ron Paul's doing is spewing propaganda, trying to rile the natives against immigrants and foreigners, if he ever becomes president, don't be surprise to see the return of concentration camps.

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Fri 04/04/08 01:41 PM
Nealinho10, you really don't understand a single word that comes out of the man's mouth then. i'm not sure what's up with your life, but you're attaching some serious bs that he has never said.

i find great irony in your last statement, being that you're an obama supporter

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Fri 04/04/08 01:43 PM
previously you said this

Ron Paul is one of the main reasons why this nation is not what it used to be...


which is a very backwards thing to say. the man supports the constitution and the american people, he wants to take us away from this bull**** that we've become and back to the roots of our goverment

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Sat 04/05/08 01:27 AM

All Ron Paul's doing is spewing propaganda, trying to rile the natives against immigrants and foreigners, if he ever becomes president, don't be surprise to see the return of concentration camps.


YOU are spewing propaganda..WE've BEEN riled about ILLEGAL immigration..RON PAUL is just a figurehead that's strong enough to address it..this man is about american constitutional LOVE and globalization transparency and actually educating our masses about it instead of continuing to allow the corporate controlled media and it's upper upper class and thier payed mercinaries to take any MORE control that COULD lead to concentration camps...

mtv has been airing a couple of commercials that have citizens on a subway that is halted and the people are unloaded by army men and dogs..children separated from mothers,husbands from wives, dogs barking..then the picture "snaps" to a very similar picture of nazi germany..then the screen says "the holocaust happened to people just like us"! SERIOUSLY..there are two of them airing..it is part of a new campaign called THINK..

youtube "mtv holocaust think"!

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Sat 04/05/08 01:30 AM



It doesn't matter.

Ron Paul isn't going to win the presidency anyway, unless it's by default.


very true, and it's quite a shame


But, spreading the word that there is someone out there who understands the plight of most Americans, as well as the world, and, who has solutions for those problems, will make it possible to bring down the status quo and really makes some changes for the better. The bottom line is that this country, as a government and as a people cannot continue at the pace that we have been going. There is not a bottomless pit of money to pay for everything. I hate to sound all gloom and doom, but I just hope we have four more years.


We can't afford four more years of 'What, Me Worry?' in Iraq.


ron paul is the ONLY one whosaid he would leave iraq

if everyone that was to lazy to vote because they say their vote does not count wrote in ron paul he would win by a landslide

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Sat 04/05/08 01:42 AM
definitely..but i don't blame our voter apathy on ourselves..i blame it on Diebold electronic voting machines corporation being able to completely control and in a much more secret way, our voting process so that we feel like it doesn't matter cause as joseph gerbals of the nazis stated "its not who votes that counts..it's who counts the votes"!

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Sat 04/05/08 01:49 AM
and it's not his chances of being elected, it's we the peoples' ideas that he has mediated that will change the world forever..you can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea..he may not become president(thx to corporate controlled coverage of him), but his/our words are out, mouth to mouth..and that's far more powerful..

mnhiker's photo
Sat 04/05/08 09:49 AM

and it's not his chances of being elected, it's we the peoples' ideas that he has mediated that will change the world forever..you can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea..he may not become president(thx to corporate controlled coverage of him), but his/our words are out, mouth to mouth..and that's far more powerful..


Right. Everything today is controlled by corporations, which is why true democracy no longer exists.

I think it is tragic that Ron Paul's ideas aren't heard more. He gets marginalized by the mainstream media and his own party.

Though he is a very intelligent man, he gets lumped in with conspiracy theorists and other wackos.

adj4u's photo
Sat 04/05/08 09:53 AM
true democracy never excited here

true democracy is unconstitutional

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A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
Thomas Jefferson

mnhiker's photo
Sat 04/05/08 10:00 AM

true democracy never excited here

true democracy is unconstitutional

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A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
Thomas Jefferson


What do you call the popular vote?

Would be happy with some kind of an elite oligarchy voting for the citizens like in Communist Russia?

True democracy existed in ancient Greece, but we can still have a system where people's votes count.

That is the very reason we have votes in the first place.