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Topic: Consintration Camps
cutelildevilsmom's photo
Tue 03/18/08 03:04 PM



interesting

very interesting

i am sure a lot of germans had these same attitudes

in the 1930s

a government is only as strong as its people let it be

and as for the fema can not perform remark

maybe just maybe mind you it was not set up for natural
disasters maybe it was set up for people disasters

after all how long have they been around

and they have how many camps set up
for how many people

interesting

keep your blinders on

how many of the jokesters here even looked at the posted sites

maybe it is easier and more comforting to make a joke
than to realize the seriousness of the issue

i can understand that maybe some are to scared to see the truth
i am sure that happened in 1930s germany as well

well good luck

i dream all you jokester are right but i doubt it highly



i'm sure the japenese americans in the 40's couldn't believe it either.


well at least jax knows it has happened in the past
to american citizens and it can happen again

the paperwork is in place
if never planned on doing it why
do they need the paperwork in place

why do they need paperwork?wouldn't the patriot act suffice??

adj4u's photo
Tue 03/18/08 03:05 PM


i guess we will get a glimps when they announce the supreme court ruling on d c gun ban

that will tell a lil bit of the story i would think


Not really. It is a debate that has been long standing. The statistics to date...on both sides of the argument are misleading.
The only thing concrete about the statistics I've seen is that most statisticians who are not biased, conclude that they are inconclusive.
How the Supreme Court interprets the amendment? Is going to be the law. Either way? Until such time I need a weapon, i am fine without. Should a war break out in my neighborhood? I know where to get one, if I just have to have one.
Should that happen? What the Supreme Court says today? Won't much matter.


what the supreme court says today may start that war

but i doubt they announce today they are only hearing argument today

now if they announce in d.c. favor today then i may believe these conspiracy theories

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Tue 03/18/08 03:05 PM
Edited by Jistme on Tue 03/18/08 03:06 PM



But to express an opinion as fact? Without any real standing or proof is not alternative, it is amatuer.



could someone post where it was said an opinion was fact plz

or have you assumed it




The first targets in any FEMA emergency would be Hispanics and Blacks, the FEMA orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters, demonstrators against government military intervention outside U.S. borders, and people who maintain weapons in their homes are also targets.




This statement written by the author, without substantiation..is a pretty leading opinion. If I were to make a statement like that.. I'd have a link to the FEMA documents that have that plan written.. Or I would not say it at all.

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Tue 03/18/08 03:07 PM
Edited by adj4u on Tue 03/18/08 03:07 PM




interesting

very interesting

i am sure a lot of germans had these same attitudes

in the 1930s

a government is only as strong as its people let it be

and as for the fema can not perform remark

maybe just maybe mind you it was not set up for natural
disasters maybe it was set up for people disasters

after all how long have they been around

and they have how many camps set up
for how many people

interesting

keep your blinders on

how many of the jokesters here even looked at the posted sites

maybe it is easier and more comforting to make a joke
than to realize the seriousness of the issue

i can understand that maybe some are to scared to see the truth
i am sure that happened in 1930s germany as well

well good luck

i dream all you jokester are right but i doubt it highly



i'm sure the japenese americans in the 40's couldn't believe it either.


well at least jax knows it has happened in the past
to american citizens and it can happen again

the paperwork is in place
if never planned on doing it why
do they need the paperwork in place

why do they need paperwork?wouldn't the patriot act suffice??


the paperwork started back with nixon

and every president since has added more

the patriot act will let law be exercised after the fact

but the paperwork gives fema the power to suspend the constitution and congress has no power for the first six months to review it

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Tue 03/18/08 03:09 PM




But to express an opinion as fact? Without any real standing or proof is not alternative, it is amatuer.



could someone post where it was said an opinion was fact plz

or have you assumed it




The first targets in any FEMA emergency would be Hispanics and Blacks, the FEMA orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters, demonstrators against government military intervention outside U.S. borders, and people who maintain weapons in their homes are also targets.




This statement written by the author, without substantiation..is a pretty leading opinion. If I were to make a statement like that.. I'd have a link to the FEMA documents that have that plan written.. Or I would not say it at all.


well what races are the most illegal aliens from

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Tue 03/18/08 03:17 PM
n March 2006 the Pew Hispanic Center estimated the undocumented population ranged from 11.5 to 12 million individuals[1], a number supported by the US Government Accountability Office (GAO)[2]. Pew estimated that 57% of this population comes from Mexico and about half of them are illegal; 24% from Central America and, to a lesser extent, South America; 9% from Asia; 6% from Europe, and the remaining 4% from elsewhere.[3]

http://www.answers.com/topic/illegal-immigration-to-the-united-states


guess that would make the black remark wrong if that was the reason


no photo
Tue 03/18/08 03:19 PM

well what races are the most illegal aliens from


Pardon if i answer a question with a question, or two.

Does that make sense to you, then? If you were in a position to develop a plan to maintain order under martial law.. Would that be something you would consider?

More importantly:

Does it make any sense at all that if there is a document like this somewhere... That the author of the article you quoted actually caught it in the light of day?

I would say 'no' to both.. and simply look at it as the authors misleading conclusion.

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Tue 03/18/08 03:27 PM


well what races are the most illegal aliens from


Pardon if i answer a question with a question, or two.

Does that make sense to you, then? If you were in a position to develop a plan to maintain order under martial law.. Would that be something you would consider?

More importantly:

Does it make any sense at all that if there is a document like this somewhere... That the author of the article you quoted actually caught it in the light of day?

I would say 'no' to both.. and simply look at it as the authors misleading conclusion.


those are ligit statements

but would it not also be possible that those with the least to lose may fight the most to stay above water and survive

those living in poverty are the most likely to want to
maintain a living any way possible

and if it is die or break the law which will it be

breaking the law under martial law
would more than likely bring internment
would it not

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The rates of blacks and Hispanics living in poverty and without health insurance are much higher than non-Hispanic whites, according to Washington Observer Weekly.

Ethnic minorities have been subject to racial discrimination in employment and workplace. According to the US Department of Labor, in November 2007, the unemployment rate for Black Americans was 8.4 percent, twice that of non-Hispanic Whites (4.2 percent).

The unemployment rate for Hispanics was 5.7 percent. The jobless rates among blacks and Hispanics were much higher than that for non-Hispanic Whites.

http://www.chinadaily.net/china/2008-03/13/content_6533121_2.htm

no photo
Tue 03/18/08 03:43 PM
No matter.. The line written simply states that it is the plan to intern a predefined group of people.
I highly doubt that anyone has any evidence that is written anywhere.

To suggest it without proof, can be construed as pure hyperbole at best, inflammatory at worst. Either way? Not very professional as far as journalism goes and immediately devalues the article in my opinion.

adj4u's photo
Tue 03/18/08 03:59 PM
good logic

i can agree with that

adj4u's photo
Tue 03/18/08 04:10 PM



i guess we will get a glimps when they announce the supreme court ruling on d c gun ban

that will tell a lil bit of the story i would think


Not really. It is a debate that has been long standing. The statistics to date...on both sides of the argument are misleading.
The only thing concrete about the statistics I've seen is that most statisticians who are not biased, conclude that they are inconclusive.
How the Supreme Court interprets the amendment? Is going to be the law. Either way? Until such time I need a weapon, i am fine without. Should a war break out in my neighborhood? I know where to get one, if I just have to have one.
Should that happen? What the Supreme Court says today? Won't much matter.


what the supreme court says today may start that war

but i doubt they announce today they are only hearing argument today

now if they announce in d.c. favor today then i may believe these conspiracy theories



ruling expected in june

on d c ban

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23688073/

adj4u's photo
Tue 03/18/08 04:27 PM
http://uweb.txstate.edu/~lf14/conspire/rex84.html

The plan called for the suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and the declaration of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a plan were already in place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of a least 21 million American Negroes in the event of massive rioting or disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

tx state seems like the college would be truthful

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Tue 03/18/08 06:16 PM

http://uweb.txstate.edu/~lf14/conspire/rex84.html


tx state seems like the college would be truthful

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I hate to burst your bubble... But...

That reference is an exact copy of the article the RBN had footnoted. With exception to everything before the
"THREE TIMES FEMA STOOD BY READY FOR EMERGENCY"

Which makes me wonder who the original author was, and who plagiarized who?

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/FEMAsecretgovt1995.shtml
http://uweb.txstate.edu/~lf14/conspire/rex84.html

adj4u's photo
Tue 03/18/08 06:19 PM
maybe the executive branch

noway noway noway noway

laugh laugh laugh laugh

adj4u's photo
Tue 03/18/08 06:23 PM
Rex 84 was mentioned during the Iran-Contra Hearings in 1987, and subsequently reported on by the Miami Herald on July 5th, 1987. [5]A number of websites and alternative publications that span the political spectrum have hypothesized upon the basic material about Rex 84, and in many cases hyperbolized it into a form of urban legend or conspiracy theory. Rex 84 is sometimes cited as an extension of the King Alfred Plan, a strategy to detain African Americans. Nonetheless, the basic facts about Rex 84 and other contingency planning readiness exercises--and the potential threat they pose to civil liberties if fully implemented in a real operation--are taken seriously by scholars and civil liberties activists.[6]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84


i do not normally use wikeit but seeing how another used it
then i guess it is ok

bigsmile

adj4u's photo
Tue 03/18/08 06:25 PM
Edited by adj4u on Tue 03/18/08 06:28 PM
U.S. Can Confine Citizens Without Charges, Court Rules

By Jerry Markon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Page A01

A federal appeals court yesterday backed the president's power to indefinitely detain a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil without any criminal charges, holding that such authority is vital during wartime to protect the nation from terrorist attacks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/09/AR2005090900772.html


where will they put them flowerforyou


example same article --

Jose Padilla, a former gang member and U.S. citizen arrested in Chicago in 2002 and a month later designated an "enemy combatant" by President Bush. The government contends that Padilla trained at al Qaeda camps and was planning to blow up apartment buildings in the United States. Padilla has been held without trial in a U.S. naval brig for more than three years, and his case has ignited a fierce battle over the balance between civil liberties and the government's power to fight terrorism since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

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Tue 03/18/08 06:43 PM
Edited by adj4u on Tue 03/18/08 06:44 PM
he miami herald

text from the original article as printed in the Miami Herald for July 5, 1987


FEMA's clash with Smith occurred over a secret contingency plan that called for suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the United States over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and declaration of martial law during a national crisis.

The plan did not define national crisis, but it was understood to be nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a military invasion abroad.

PLAN WAS PROTESTED

The official said the contingency plan was written as part of an executive order or legislative package that Reagan would sign and hold within the NSC until a severe crisis arose.

The martial law portions of the plan were outlined in a June 30, 1982, memo by Guiffrida's deputy for national preparedness programs, John Brinkerhoff. A copy of the memo was obtained by The Herald.

The scenario outlined in the Brinkerhoff memo resembled somewhat a paper Guiffrida had written in 1970 at the Army War College in Carlisle, Pa., in which he advocated martial law in case of a national uprising by black militants. The paper also advocated the roundup and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of at least 21 million "American Negroes."

full article available as printed by miami herald at

i know a conspiacy theory site but the article is miami hearld text not this sights text

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/secret_white_house_plans.htm

adj4u's photo
Tue 03/18/08 06:52 PM
congressman

jack brooks question oliver north

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ&NR=1

very interesting

adj4u's photo
Wed 03/19/08 04:04 PM
Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us.
Thomas Jefferson

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