That article is really long. I did not read it all. My eyes began to glaze over.

It is all very mind boggling to think of "something from nothing" because you cannot define "nothing."

Some might say that "nothing" is a vacuum. If it is, then scientist have proven that something can spring from nothing in their observance of a vacuum where all particles~~ everything was removed and they observed new ones popping in from nowhere. So where did they come from? A different time or a different place? A different dimension? They don't know.

When you consider the nature of the reality we live in, structure of the atom, and the fact that the particle cannot be located and observed without effecting it, then you will conclude that everything that exists is vibration, and waves. Matter itself is a standing wave.

I have to conclude that nothing does not exist, therefore, existence and its creator sprang from something, and that something, I guess can be called "parents" or "parent" or whatever.

Maybe god and this universe were only just recently conceived and is in some giant womb and has not even been born yet.

That would be something.

Anything is possible.

The only thing I know is the sun shines and daisies grow, the rest is truly moot.

There is no scientific proof to support any religion . Furtheremore ,there are thounsands of religions in the world . Some are very similiar because they just copy what suit them from others .Please show your scientific proof according to physics ,chemistry ,or any other science . We need evidence not speeches and poetry . If religion is from your "God" ;then why people have to work and support your place of worship instead of your god supporting it ?. I can go on and on forever but reality is you can not prove your religion according to any science known to man kind . We must remember ,we have thousands of religions and not just hundreds . In my judgment yours is no better than the rest .Science is the future ,religion is the past with sheppards ,donkeys ,monkeys ,......and loads of nonsense and tons of contradictions . I stand by my posts .This is to answer "Wiley" and his words about scientific proof ...ext. Thank you all and keep on writing....!.

Sit quietly doing nothing,
spring comes,
and the grass grows
by itself.

Zen saying.

Grass grows by itself
take the lawnmower off the shelf
get off your butt and get to work
pull the ripcord with a jerk

Zooooom saying.

Not worth my time.

Just in case you aren’t aware Science is in perfect harmony with Pantheism. So far, science actually supports many of the Pantheistic views. And certainly doesn’t conflict or deny any of them. It doesn’t prove pantheism, but it doesn’t offer any evidence that conflicts with it either.



I don’t believe in organized religion. I just mentioned Pantheism as a world view. I think of it more as philosophy than religion. I don’t belong to any organized religious group and neither to do I support them.



Well, as I’ve said, science is in perfect harmony with pantheism up to this point. I agree with you about the contradictions of other religions that are based on ancient stories written by men.

All I did was respond to your following comment,….



Can you prove that scientifically? I think not.

And before you try to convince me otherwise hear this, I’ve been studying physics since my early teens, I taught physics and mathematics in college classrooms for much of my life. I’m now retired at almost 60 years old.

All I have to say is that if you can scientifically prove that we didn’t create ourselves you should write it out and submit your proof for consideration for a Nobel prize. Science currently does not assert that we could not have created ourselves. On the contrary, science hasn’t been able to any produce any firm conclusions concerning the precise nature of what the hell is going on.

Once you get down to the quantum level all hell breaks loose. And if you can explain it, don’t waste your time doing it here! Write it up and submit it for a Nobel prize because, as of today, you’ll be the FIRST PERSON to have done it! Unless someone else’s already has their proof in the mail.

Good thinking. I gave it one shot to see if it sinks in. If it bounces off I'll just let it go.

If you really want to mess with somebody's head, bring metaphysics into the mix.

Tony, Tony, Tony..... of course you are right. I agree. No science that I know of can prove or disprove the existence of any God as described in any ancient scripture. Has someone been trying to cram religion down your throat? I'm sorry.

Metaphysics is the study of being and knowing. Quantum physics says that we are nothing more than waves and particles, (and now they aren't even sure about the particles.)

You won't get much argument from us pantheists. Go find a Priest or a preacher if you want to rant.

JB

there must be, if not my existance would not be justified.

Disclaimer: I have not read the whole thread. This is just my personal experience.

I think the ultimate question is Heinz 57 or A1 steak sauce?

I like my steak naked. er.. Salt and pepper only I mean..

Not even remotely what I said but whatever. Rant on. I could not care less.

now wait...there has to be science in everything now???
what's wrong with having faith in something??? just because I can't touch it or see it....doesn't mean it can't exist.

if you don't believe then don't believe....it's your choice but do NOT tell me i'm wrong to believe just because a scientist can't prove it.

open minds people..say it with me

Jeannie wrote and I quote....

<<<<<<.....I like my steak naked. er.. Salt and pepper only I mean.....>>>>>>>

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agreed.....

plus served medium rare....

Neither.

Intellect versus spirit


The twain shall never meet...

Actually, that should read :

Never the Twain Shall Meet........

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also brings to mind a scriptural saying.....

"....As far as the east is from the west..."

I wish to thank you all for a very good conversation . Nice to read you all . .!