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What I am meaning is this. I only KNOW ONE THING FOR CERTAIN. That one thing is that I exist. That is MY PROOF to MYSELF of God. Why? Because I am. I AM THAT. I AM THAT I AM. You may exist. I can't be sure of that. I may see you and I may hear you and I may touch you. But you could be just a dream. You could be all in my mind. You could be a projection in a holodeck. I can't be 100% certain. Imagine this: Yesterday I woke up from this dream and discovered that I was just some sort of brain in a jar connected to a motherboard of circuts. Some strange creature came over and injected me with some sort of blue liquid and suddenly I was back at my computer. Was that a dream? Or is this? Reality is subjective. This could be just a dream. I could be God or I could be a brain in a jar. But the fact remains that I am aware that I exist. Self aware. That is what I am. You all could be an illusion..... 
I really don't need proof of God. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER. I exist. That is what matters. JB don't you just hate it when people write stuff you can't disagree with....damn you JeannieBean .....I'm interested to see where you go with that holodeck concept ...hummm reality is not truth? |
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since the only existence you can ever prove to yourself is the existence of yourself to yourself then you could never prove the existence of any other enity beyond yourself and therefore you have to assume you are God ...
But that would only be true for people like you. 
People who will only believe that they can prove. Some of us are willing to accept that things we cannot prove may still possibly exist. Just because I can’t prove something doesn’t meant that it can’t exist. In fact, if I’m that obsessed with proof, I’d have to leave open the possibly that everything that that I can’t disprove must be possible. I can’t disprove that others exist, therefore I must leave that open as a possibility. You’re saying that I must assume that it can’t be possible if I can’ t prove it. But I don’t think like that. If I can’t disprove it then I have no valid reason to deny it. You’re trying to say that if I can’t disprove it then I must assume that it isn’t true. I don’t think like that. If I can’t prove something, I have no need to make any assumptions about it at all. I’m willing to say that I just don’t know. And leave it at that. I've been down the road of solipsism before. It can't be proven or disproved. Personally I feel there are more compelling reasons to reject it than to accept it. However, in the end I agree that it's improvable either way. But that doesn’t meant that I need to assume one direction or the other. As I’ve said, I feel I have more reasons to believe that it’s not the case than that it is. So if I were going to assume anything it would be to eject pure solipsism. Although that could become an extremely deep debate for a pantheist who holds that all is one. The best I can say is that our physical world is many facets of one underlying life source. Therefore all facets of this manifestation are egalitarian. In other words you and I may be a single entity. But that doesn’t diminish either of our experiences. We’re just manifestations of one larger entity that’s talking to itself. 
What do you believe Funches? That we're all just bags of atoms trying to develop a good set of abs? |
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Jeanniebean
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Mon 03/17/08 06:21 PM
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Just because I can’t prove something doesn’t meant that it can’t exist.
In fact, if I’m that obsessed with proof, I’d have to leave open the possibly that everything that that I can’t disprove must be possible. I can’t disprove that others exist, therefore I must leave that open as a possibility. You’re saying that I must assume that it can’t be possible if I can’ t prove it. RE: your last statement here. No, that is not what I am saying. Proof of something only matters to the observer. I believe you exist and and believe Funches exists and I believe there is a world out there that we both live in. But I don't believe it 100%. I leave open the possibility that I could be wrong. It might be just an illusion. It might be just the dream of a brain in a jar or a disembodied spirit. I don't know. The only thing I am 100% certain of is that I exist. The rest, I am not 100% certain about. I have had people tell me, upon hearing this, that they do indeed exist. I reply to them: "All my illusions say that." 
p.s. and so do my invisible friends.
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Some of us are willing to accept that things we cannot prove may still possibly exist. that's called fantasy Just because I can’t prove something doesn’t meant that it can’t exist. that's called delusion In fact, if I’m that obsessed with proof, I’d have to leave open the possibly that everything that that I can’t disprove must be possible. delusion can never be disproved to someone delusional I can’t disprove that others exist, therefore I must leave that open as a possibility. the only template to absolute truth and to measure truth is your existence not the possible existences of others What do you believe Funches? come on Abracadrabra you know the answer to that by now "to believe is to doubt" ...funches 3:16 |
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I believe it's time for a beer...
No doubt...  
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Funches wrote:
That’s called fantasy That’s called delusion If that’s true then we know that fantasy and delusion are both possible because there are many examples in the history of science where things were believed to be possible before they were actually proven to be true. We can’t rule out what we can’t disprove. I think where the problem comes into play is when people start believing in the truth of something before it's been proven. To acknowledge that something unproven may possibly be true, is not the same as claiming that it must be true. For me, the latter is the line that is crossed over to become fantasy and delusion. As long as a person is only claiming that it could possibly be true, then they are still with the realm of realism. Only when they cross over to claim that it must be true have they become delusional.
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Funches wrote:
That’s called fantasy That’s called delusion If that’s true then we know that fantasy and delusion are both possible because there are many examples in the history of science where things were believed to be possible before they were actually proven to be true. We can’t rule out what we can’t disprove. I think where the problem comes into play is when people start believing in the truth of something before it's been proven. To acknowledge that something unproven may possibly be true, is not the same as claiming that it must be true. For me, the latter is the line that is crossed over to become fantasy and delusion. As long as a person is only claiming that it could possibly be true, then they are still with the realm of realism. Only when they cross over to claim that it must be true have they become delusional.
Okay, with that in mind, me and my two invisible boyfriends are going to bed now. |
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Okay, with that in mind, me and my two invisible boyfriends are going to bed now. Oh aren't we lucky. I only have one invisible girlfriend and she always has an invisible headache. |
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Some of us are willing to accept that things we cannot prove may still possibly exist. that's called fantasy Just because I can’t prove something doesn’t meant that it can’t exist. that's called delusion In fact, if I’m that obsessed with proof, I’d have to leave open the possibly that everything that that I can’t disprove must be possible. delusion can never be disproved to someone delusional I can’t disprove that others exist, therefore I must leave that open as a possibility. the only template to absolute truth and to measure truth is your existence not the possible existences of others What do you believe Funches? come on Abracadrabra you know the answer to that by now "to believe is to doubt" ...funches 3:16 then I will take me fantasy and live in my own world. I believe what ill and NO ONE can take that from me or tell me I'm wrong |
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Is there a God?
Yes, and she's mad as hEll!
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Okay, with that in mind, me and my two invisible boyfriends are going to bed now. Oh aren't we lucky. I only have one invisible girlfriend and she always has an invisible headache. wow, I would kick her invisible butt out. LOL
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then I will take me fantasy and live in my own world. I believe what ill and NO ONE can take that from me or tell me I'm wrong well "yellowrose" it's nothing wrong with existing in a fantasy world ..well..er...as long as you remember that it's just fantasy |
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then I will take me fantasy and live in my own world. I believe what ill and NO ONE can take that from me or tell me I'm wrong well "yellowrose" it's nothing wrong with existing in a fantasy world ..well..er...as long as you remember that it's just fantasy well hun...I was using your term because to ME it's not a fantasy world...but ty anyway |
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then I will take me fantasy and live in my own world. I believe what ill and NO ONE can take that from me or tell me I'm wrong well "yellowrose" it's nothing wrong with existing in a fantasy world ..well..er...as long as you remember that it's just fantasy well hun...I was using your term because to ME it's not a fantasy world...but ty anyway you yourself claim that you are going to retreat into a world that no one could take from you or tell you that you are wrong ...that's either fantasy delusion or a belief that you are God ...hummmm seems like you turned into a Pantheist ... |
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then I will take me fantasy and live in my own world. I believe what ill and NO ONE can take that from me or tell me I'm wrong well "yellowrose" it's nothing wrong with existing in a fantasy world ..well..er...as long as you remember that it's just fantasy well hun...I was using your term because to ME it's not a fantasy world...but ty anyway you yourself claim that you are going to retreat into a world that no one could take from you or tell you that you are wrong ...that's either fantasy delusion or a belief that you are God ...hummmm seems like you turned into a Pantheist ... hun...you just like to argue. I will say it again...people have a right to believe as they wish and beliefs don't have to have "proof". I am what I am and believe what I want and NO, no one can take that away from me |
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hun...you just like to argue. in case you are confuse "yellowrose" I only responded back to your post to me so why is my response considered as an argument but yet yours is not ...it's another case of someone singing the olde "we poor christians are being persecuted song" ..in other words try remembering this is a debate and not your own fantasy world when no one can suggest that you may be wrong I will say it again...people have a right to believe as they wish and beliefs don't have to have "proof". and I will say if again you can believe what you want but once you start uttering to others that your beliefs are truth then expect someone to ask you for proof that they are I am what I am and believe what I want and NO, no one can take that away from me no one is trying to take anything away from you it seems more like you are the one that is trying to force it upon others |
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Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.5 billion Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion Hinduism: 900 million Chinese traditional religion: 394 million Buddhism: 376 million primal-indigenous: 300 million African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million Sikhism: 23 million Juche: 19 million Spiritism: 15 million Judaism: 14 million Baha'i: 7 million Jainism: 4.2 million Shinto: 4 million Cao Dai: 4 million Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million Tenrikyo: 2 million Neo-Paganism: 1 million Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand Rastafarianism: 600 thousand Scientology: 500 thousand Who is right and who is wrong? As you see 1.1 billion don't know or don't believe. Perhaps they don't worship a god for the creators abandoned them a long time ago. Perhaps the 5 billion who do belief are right about believing yet cannot come under terms of the correct story of what happened and why we exist. It would be amazing if Scientology was correct on their beliefs for it was invented by a Fantasy Author. lol We also must see that Christianity is the largest but very divided into beliefs because they are sub categorized as you know. What happened if we did get a sign from a God and he said one should worship African Traditional & Diasporic. Could you and would you change your praying methods and beliefs? Perhaps just believing in yourself and doing no wrong to others for you wish it not done to you is the best religion. I am sure I have brought something back to discussion. Have fun
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Christianity: 2.1 billion Islam: 1.5 billion Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion Hinduism: 900 million Chinese traditional religion: 394 million Buddhism: 376 million primal-indigenous: 300 million African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million Sikhism: 23 million Juche: 19 million Spiritism: 15 million Judaism: 14 million Baha'i: 7 million Jainism: 4.2 million Shinto: 4 million Cao Dai: 4 million Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million Tenrikyo: 2 million Neo-Paganism: 1 million Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand Rastafarianism: 600 thousand Scientology: 500 thousand hummmm this post reminds me of feralcatlady ....come to think of it she never did answer my question as to how many of the above was destine to go to hell |
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Perhaps nothing happens when one dies. A option many don't believe, yet nevertheless, could be a option. If we waste most of our life trying to figure out where we end up after we die and find out nothing happens that would be perhaps a big dissapointment for those who did wonder about it. lol
Everything is possible! cheers
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the clouds parted and the thunder roared and you could hear HIM say.......YES, I AM, WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE
nuff said |
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