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By your calculations it should cost parents $3600 a year, per child to go to a public school. Uhh, yea right. How are you coming up with this 3600 dollar figure? I would really like to see the mathematics behind it. |
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Edited by
Chazster
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By your calculations it should cost parents $3600 a year, per child to go to a public school. Uhh, yea right. How are you coming up with this 3600 dollar figure? I would really like to see the mathematics behind it. Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. 19.50 I just rounded to $20. You stated they worked 180 days a year. 20*180=3600 |
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they are to teach students about something they are not supposed to teach something about students in order to teach one must be able to learn so how can you teach math anything math just is  teach (tch) v. taught (tôt), teach·ing, teach·es v.tr. 1. To impart knowledge or skill to: teaches children. In order to teach one must be able to learn. There are a lot of students out there who have learning disabilities due to a wide variety of reasons. That in itself is another whole topic of discussion. BUt how can they be expected to pass all these state mandated tests and do well on them, WHEN THEY HAVEN'T the skills or the ABILITY to attain the skills needed to succeed in doing well enough on these tests. We can teach and teach and teach til the cows come home, but will they all learn it???? NO!!!! Why should we teachers be reprimanded in salary for kids not learning if it's not our fault??? It's hard to prove it's OUR fault, just because they fail a test.... Not if you're looking at the students' capability for being or not being able to learn the material. Anyways..... adjectives I was thinking about were: insensitive, unrealistic and demeaning is that o.k. Adjective Man???? like i said use them on those in your profession not doing their job and after all would a good role model for kids have those adj come to mind to begin with you can say whatever you wish and yes there are students with learning disabilities no one is denying that but to use that as an excuse is very lame some of the biggest learning disability some students have is their teacher next time you go to pay for something at your favorite retail place and the teenager or twenty something making change can not figure out how to give you your change back properly who is it that should get the praise for that and heaven forbid you give them any change to make it come out so you don't get pennies back there is a reason fast food cash registers have pictures on the keys |
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they are to teach students about something they are not supposed to teach something about students in order to teach one must be able to learn so how can you teach math anything math just is teach (tch) v. taught (tôt), teach·ing, teach·es v.tr. 1. To impart knowledge or skill to: teaches children. In order to teach one must be able to learn. There are a lot of students out there who have learning disabilities due to a wide variety of reasons. That in itself is another whole topic of discussion. BUt how can they be expected to pass all these state mandated tests and do well on them, WHEN THEY HAVEN'T the skills or the ABILITY to attain the skills needed to succeed in doing well enough on these tests. We can teach and teach and teach til the cows come home, but will they all learn it???? NO!!!! Why should we teachers be reprimanded in salary for kids not learning if it's not our fault??? It's hard to prove it's OUR fault, just because they fail a test.... Not if you're looking at the students' capability for being or not being able to learn the material. Anyways..... adjectives I was thinking about were: insensitive, unrealistic and demeaning is that o.k. Adjective Man???? like i said use them on those in your profession not doing their job and after all would a good role model for kids have those adj come to mind to begin with you can say whatever you wish and yes there are students with learning disabilities no one is denying that but to use that as an excuse is very lame some of the biggest learning disability some students have is their teacher next time you go to pay for something at your favorite retail place and the teenager or twenty something making change can not figure out how to give you your change back properly who is it that should get the praise for that and heaven forbid you give them any change to make it come out so you don't get pennies back there is a reason fast food cash registers have pictures on the keys Like the times you buy fast food and its like $4.70 so you give them $4 and 3 quarters to make it easy.. and they bust out the calculator for 5 cents. Makes me a little sad. |
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they are to teach students about something they are not supposed to teach something about students in order to teach one must be able to learn so how can you teach math anything math just is teach (tch) v. taught (tôt), teach·ing, teach·es v.tr. 1. To impart knowledge or skill to: teaches children. In order to teach one must be able to learn. There are a lot of students out there who have learning disabilities due to a wide variety of reasons. That in itself is another whole topic of discussion. BUt how can they be expected to pass all these state mandated tests and do well on them, WHEN THEY HAVEN'T the skills or the ABILITY to attain the skills needed to succeed in doing well enough on these tests. We can teach and teach and teach til the cows come home, but will they all learn it???? NO!!!! Why should we teachers be reprimanded in salary for kids not learning if it's not our fault??? It's hard to prove it's OUR fault, just because they fail a test.... Not if you're looking at the students' capability for being or not being able to learn the material. Anyways..... adjectives I was thinking about were: insensitive, unrealistic and demeaning is that o.k. Adjective Man???? like i said use them on those in your profession not doing their job and after all would a good role model for kids have those adj come to mind to begin with you can say whatever you wish and yes there are students with learning disabilities no one is denying that but to use that as an excuse is very lame some of the biggest learning disability some students have is their teacher next time you go to pay for something at your favorite retail place and the teenager or twenty something making change can not figure out how to give you your change back properly who is it that should get the praise for that and heaven forbid you give them any change to make it come out so you don't get pennies back there is a reason fast food cash registers have pictures on the keys Like the times you buy fast food and its like $4.70 so you give them $4 and 3 quarters to make it easy.. and they bust out the calculator for 5 cents. Makes me a little sad. exactly like that and wait someone will come back and say those are the illegals sorry not when it hapeens to me it hasn't been |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Thu 03/06/08 05:40 AM
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By your calculations it should cost parents $3600 a year, per child to go to a public school. Uhh, yea right. How are you coming up with this 3600 dollar figure? I would really like to see the mathematics behind it. if a class averages 30 students 3600 x 30 = 108,000 not that hard |
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Around here, they do not even count out the money, they just hand it to you and say "Here's your change."
On the whole, our schools are failing our kids. I pay $250 a month in real estate taxes on my little home,most of which goes to support the school system in my area. I often wonder why? These kids are lost. The kids in my neighborhood that do well are the ones who have parents/grandparents who work with them. So, what is the teacher there for? Lindyy |
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Again about raising the salary. Where does the money come from? Doesn't the teacher's salary come from the state government. I mean most schools don't really earn money. If thats the case then they are paid with taxes.
There are roughly 6.2million teachers k-12 in the US. U.S. population is about Population: 301,139,947. If you wanted to raise the average teachers salary by just $10,000. (6.2million*10,000)/301,139,941 = 205.9 You are asking each person to pay an additional $205.9 dollars a year. Some said they should make 100k well they make about 40k now so make that closer to $1200 extra in taxes every year. I could be wrong about where the money comes from though. |
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Again about raising the salary. Where does the money come from? Doesn't the teacher's salary come from the state government. I mean most schools don't really earn money. If thats the case then they are paid with taxes. There are roughly 6.2million teachers k-12 in the US. U.S. population is about Population: 301,139,947. If you wanted to raise the average teachers salary by just $10,000. (6.2million*10,000)/301,139,941 = 205.9 You are asking each person to pay an additional $205.9 dollars a year. Some said they should make 100k well they make about 40k now so make that closer to $1200 extra in taxes every year. I could be wrong about where the money comes from though. I believe your right as far as where the money comes from in the end. however, to raise the teachers salary would not necessarily mean an increase in taxes. I am not going to look up how much is received by the state in taxes, let someone else who likes doing that do so for me, lol. However, I firmly believe we have enough money going in from taxes now, to cover everything we need and most of what we want (generally speaking). What needs to happen is we need to quit *****ing about not having enough money in our coffers, look at what we DO have, and apportion it out as it is needed to be apportioned out. We say that education funding (which I believe includes salaries) needs to be raised. So raise it and lower somethign that we are spending too much money on now, that we don't need to spend as much on. Yes, in the end once we get our tax money going back out properly (road work, education, sanitation, etc.) we might need to raise or lower our taxes, a LITTLE bit but it wont be by much. An I am sure you would all agree that if we did straighten out our tax checking account (so to speak) as a state, then if we did have to raise taxes by one or two percent afterwards, we would be more willing to listen to the idea and give it consideration. Not give it a blanket approval, of course not, but be willing to listen to the idea. Because we know everything is fixed and whatnot. |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Thu 03/06/08 09:14 AM
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well when you raise the teacher salary (average performance is bad)
what about the ambulance or fire fighter worker who saves lives or the policeman and of course you have the already overpaid politicain to consider no until their teaching performance improves i for one say no to any more raises the average salary is over 47,000 in know a lot who live on less and work 12 months to get it at 40.000 it is over 1000 a week for the 9 months worked |
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it was said earlier they work 180 days
that is over 220 dollars a day at 40.000 a year |
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Teachers salaries do not need to be raised, the parents need to take a vested interest in their childrens well being, and education. There is not a teacher out there who didn't know what the national average salary was before deciding their career path. I have no sympathy for those complaints. If you only care about the money, you are in the wrong field
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O.k. I am friggin sick of this shi_..... I am NOT GOING TO DEBATE, ARGUE, DISPUTE, or Whatever ......
I simply chose to give up my bachelors in music, bachelors in pshychology, bachelors in elem. educ. to pursue a career in SPECIAL EDUCATION............................................................................................. BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE A DIFFEERNCE IN LIVES OF CHILDREN WITH SPEICAL NEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not to debate w/ assinign people ..... I KNOW WHAT I DO, FOR THE STUDENTS I DO IT FOR..... SCREW ALL THOSE WHO DON't BELIEVE I DO IT FOR ANY OTHER REASON................... I HATE DEBATES!!!!! I DON'T GIVE A **** about what I make a year...... cuz you know what.... MY AIDES AND ASSITANTS DO FAR MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE PAID TO DO...... THAT IS SIMPLY MORE WORTH ARGUING ABOUT THAN MY FRIGGIN SALARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DROP THIS WHOLE THING.........DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN LIFE AND LEAVE US A LONE FOR CHOOSING WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH OUR LIVES (YES OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR, NOT YOUR'S, NOT YOUR'S, BUT OUR LIFE)!!!!! |
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If I wanted to use my degree in Psychology, my degree in Music, my degree in elem. educ. I'd be using it......NO, I CHOSE TO TEACH CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS........ I don't care about what I make!!!!! I want to know and to cont. to learn HOW BEST I CAN REACH THESE KIDS so that......they can make the best of the life that this "WORLD" has dished out to them!!!!!!!!! f_c_ everything else!!!!
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wow, this is not at all what I expected to read from you. Be happy with what you do, and love.
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Teachers salaries do not need to be raised, the parents need to take a vested interest in their childrens well being, and education. There is not a teacher out there who didn't know what the national average salary was before deciding their career path. I have no sympathy for those complaints. If you only care about the money, you are in the wrong field I glanced through the beginning, middle and end of this. Forgive me for not thoroughly investigating the thread before posting. I just must say, I agree with you, Rob. The salary is what it is - and teachers who teach because it is in their heart do not have issues with this. The issues stem from, I believe, others complaining about what teachers do and do not do. Overall, I believe there is a misunderstanding about a teacher's "job". I don't just teach a subject (geometry and Algebra)...I teach kids how to respect themselves and others, I teach kids that they CAN do more than they imagined, I teach kids to complete a task so they can have pride in themselves for a job well done. I teach "gang-bangers" what lies ahead of them if they continue the path they've begun. I teach young ladies that they do not have to "prostitute" themselves for the affection of a man. Well, I don't need to go on. The point is, if teachers COULD teach a "subject" and parents DID have a vested interest in their children, the "job" would be more manageable. (I am not insinuating that this is the case for "most" kids/parents - I just happen to work with a quite needy bunch) No, I am NOT complaining - I love that I am able to reach some kids who don't have anyone else who gives a lick about them. I HAVE had other careers - far more lucrative and less stressful - but I choose to be here for now and do the best job I know how. *stepping off my soapbox*  
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If I wanted to use my degree in Psychology, my degree in Music, my degree in elem. educ. I'd be using it......NO, I CHOSE TO TEACH CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS........ I don't care about what I make!!!!! I want to know and to cont. to learn HOW BEST I CAN REACH THESE KIDS so that......they can make the best of the life that this "WORLD" has dished out to them!!!!!!!!! f_c_ everything else!!!! Toreybelle: The sad fact is that there are EXTREMELY FEW teachers like you. Be proud of what you do for your students. But, in my school district the whole school system fails the kids and parents. And, I resent paying taxes to pay those teachers that are there for only a paycheck. Unfortunately, good teachers such as yourself, have to suffer the consequences from the bad teachers. Lindyy 
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O.k. I am friggin sick of this shi_..... I am NOT GOING TO DEBATE, ARGUE, DISPUTE, or Whatever ...... I simply chose to give up my bachelors in music, bachelors in pshychology, bachelors in elem. educ. to pursue a career in SPECIAL EDUCATION............................................................................................. BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE A DIFFEERNCE IN LIVES OF CHILDREN WITH SPEICAL NEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not to debate w/ assinign people ..... I KNOW WHAT I DO, FOR THE STUDENTS I DO IT FOR..... SCREW ALL THOSE WHO DON't BELIEVE I DO IT FOR ANY OTHER REASON................... I HATE DEBATES!!!!! I DON'T GIVE A **** about what I make a year...... cuz you know what.... MY AIDES AND ASSITANTS DO FAR MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE PAID TO DO...... THAT IS SIMPLY MORE WORTH ARGUING ABOUT THAN MY FRIGGIN SALARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DROP THIS WHOLE THING.........DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN LIFE AND LEAVE US A LONE FOR CHOOSING WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH OUR LIVES (YES OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR, NOT YOUR'S, NOT YOUR'S, BUT OUR LIFE)!!!!! Correct me if I am wrong, but I never saw anyone say you are not doing what you love. In fact I saw people saying that teachers do what they do because its what they want and not for how much it will make them. Thats why a lot of people are saying the salaries shouldn't be raised. I personally am fine with them raising teacher's salaries as long as it doesn't come out of my pocket. |
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Please read this all the way to the end, as it may come off in a different perspective than intended if you don't. Are you sick of high paid teachers? Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - baby sit! We can get that for less than minimum wage. That’s right. Let’s give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan — that equals 6 1/2 hours). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many do they teach in day…maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET’S SEE…. That’s $585 X 180= $105,300 peryear. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries). What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year. Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here! There sure is! The average teacher’s salary (nation wide) is$50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student–a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!! I wish I wrote this but I didn’t. This was sent to me by one of the teachers in my school. It sure does put things into perspective…What you guys think? *Disclaimer* I’m a teacher. 43 Respo My mother works for a parochial school and doesn't make squat, but she knows she is making a difference for those kids so that is why she continues to teach. 
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O.k. I am friggin sick of this shi_..... I am NOT GOING TO DEBATE, ARGUE, DISPUTE, or Whatever ...... I simply chose to give up my bachelors in music, bachelors in pshychology, bachelors in elem. educ. to pursue a career in SPECIAL EDUCATION............................................................................................. BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE A DIFFEERNCE IN LIVES OF CHILDREN WITH SPEICAL NEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not to debate w/ assinign people ..... I KNOW WHAT I DO, FOR THE STUDENTS I DO IT FOR..... SCREW ALL THOSE WHO DON't BELIEVE I DO IT FOR ANY OTHER REASON................... I HATE DEBATES!!!!! I DON'T GIVE A **** about what I make a year...... cuz you know what.... MY AIDES AND ASSITANTS DO FAR MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE PAID TO DO...... THAT IS SIMPLY MORE WORTH ARGUING ABOUT THAN MY FRIGGIN SALARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DROP THIS WHOLE THING.........DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN LIFE AND LEAVE US A LONE FOR CHOOSING WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH OUR LIVES (YES OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR, NOT YOUR'S, NOT YOUR'S, BUT OUR LIFE)!!!!! A true hero you are!!
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