Topic: a bridge for sale?
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Tue 03/04/08 09:42 AM
But from my studying of Obama , I think he is a Constitutionalist


I think you should do a bit more studying

Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism

When we get in a tussle, we appeal to the Founding Fathers and the Constitution's ratifiers to give direction. Some, like Justice Scalia, conclude that the original understanding must be followed and if we obey this rule, democracy is respected.

Others, like Justice Breyers, insist that sometimes the original understanding can take you only so far--that on the truly big arguments, we have to take context, history, and the practical outcomes of a decision into account.

I have to side with Justice Breyer's view of the Constitution--that it is not a static but rather a living document and must be read in the context of an ever-changing world.

I see democracy as a conversation to be had. According to this conception, the genius of Madison's design is not that it provides a fixed blueprint for action. It provides us with a framework and rules, but all its machinery are designed to force us into a conversation.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p. 89-92 Oct 1, 2006

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Tue 03/04/08 09:51 AM

armydoc..... You didn't address the career politicians. The poster is correct in that something should be done about them. When our Founding Fathers originated our way of government, the idea was to have citizen Congressmen. Ordinary men were to serve one term in the various political offices and then go home. Of course, it was okay to serve two terms, but one was the preferred. However, we got away from the wisdom of our Founding Fathers. Consequently, the men and women who are in office today are nothing but career politicians. They are not interested in abiding by the will of our Founding Fathers, let alone the will of the people. Everything these career politicians do is geared toward keeping them in office and giving them power. This presidential election is a big joke. For over a year these men/women, both on the Republican and Democratic side, will neglect the jobs they are being paid for by the taxpayers and do all they can to become president. Also, the reality is that none of them want the position to make change in our country. Each and every one of them want it for personal/political reasons.


drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker Hell yeah. If the president has a limited term every other political position should. And furthermore, How the heck is it that congress has the power to vote themselves a payraise? That's just retarded.

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Tue 03/04/08 09:53 AM

absolutely!!!!

Prison overcrowdedness for fist time offenders of drugs(where talking pot here) or probation violations stemming from it. should be weeded out (no pun intended).

meth is the new coke, made with acetone and red phospherous these people are straight killing themselves. the health issues aside for a minute, crime rates in area where meth is previlant has increased more so than in areas where pot or some other drug of choice is. it is definately killer (eventually) to the body and the mind, and Im not being metaphoric, where most other drugs work as opiates inhibiting transmitters in the body or by attaching themselves to transmitters throughout the body, meth (and extasy) are actually deteriorating/eating away live brain cells. CT scans of the head show large gapping holes in all sections of the brain----ITS CRAZY!!!

BTW drinker good morning.


Drugs addicts shouldn't be in prisons. They need to be in
long term quality rehab.

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Tue 03/04/08 09:57 AM


absolutely!!!!

Prison overcrowdedness for fist time offenders of drugs(where talking pot here) or probation violations stemming from it. should be weeded out (no pun intended).

meth is the new coke, made with acetone and red phospherous these people are straight killing themselves. the health issues aside for a minute, crime rates in area where meth is previlant has increased more so than in areas where pot or some other drug of choice is. it is definately killer (eventually) to the body and the mind, and Im not being metaphoric, where most other drugs work as opiates inhibiting transmitters in the body or by attaching themselves to transmitters throughout the body, meth (and extasy) are actually deteriorating/eating away live brain cells. CT scans of the head show large gapping holes in all sections of the brain----ITS CRAZY!!!

BTW drinker good morning.


Drugs addicts shouldn't be in prisons. They need to be in
long term quality rehab.
Some addicts need to be in prison ..first offenders could need to be in rehab but there are those that commit crime .. serious crimes ..

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Tue 03/04/08 10:23 AM
It appears to me that Russia and China are now the most powerful and maybe even the richest nations on this earth today, Contrary to what you may have heard about those reports of Russia being poor.(not true)This weak and poor Russia is one of those bridges that our leaders are trying to sell to us people. Don't buy into that ONE!! Russia has been out of debt for some time now and they are swimming in oil,OIL,OIL,(lots of money)

If we do get into a World War 3, the TWO most BITTER ENEMIES on this Planet Called SHAN(earth) in the War will BOTH be RUSSIANS: It will be the Russian Christians against the RUSSIAN MONGOLIANS( KHAZARS Origin))

But hopefully Obama will be President before this happens, and Obama will stop the Iraq War and any future Wars that the Khazar bankers have in mind to start,

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Tue 03/04/08 01:39 PM
Edited by leahmarie on Tue 03/04/08 02:01 PM

But from my studying of Obama , I think he is a Constitutionalist


I think you should do a bit more studying

Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism

When we get in a tussle, we appeal to the Founding Fathers and the Constitution's ratifiers to give direction. Some, like Justice Scalia, conclude that the original understanding must be followed and if we obey this rule, democracy is respected.

Others, like Justice Breyers, insist that sometimes the original understanding can take you only so far--that on the truly big arguments, we have to take context, history, and the practical outcomes of a decision into account.

I have to side with Justice Breyer's view of the Constitution--that it is not a static but rather a living document and must be read in the context of an ever-changing world.

I see democracy as a conversation to be had. According to this conception, the genius of Madison's design is not that it provides a fixed blueprint for action. It provides us with a framework and rules, but all its machinery are designed to force us into a conversation.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p. 89-92 Oct 1, 2006


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I disagee with the above. I do not believe in a Living Constitution, which means the Constitutution can be interpreted to suit each generation. In other words, our Constitution means whatever we want it to mean at a given time. Therefore, our Constitutuion will never mean the same thing at different times in our history. Therefore, a Living Constitution is no Constitution at all since it effectively repeals the Constitution.

We need to remember that the framers of our Constitution made the amendment process difficult, because a constitution that is easily amended is more likely to be changed casually. Our Founding Fathers wanted to make amending the Constitution a burdensome task. In other words, they had no intent of it every being a Living Constitution.

The above is the mindset of Hillary, Obama and most Democrats/Liberals. However, Republicans are Constitutionalists, which means they believe in the Constitution, as it is and are not looking for ways to change its meaning.

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Tue 03/04/08 01:58 PM
Drugs addicts shouldn't be in prisons. They need to be in
long term quality rehab.


they chose to take drugs and knew doing so was agaisnt the law...and when they're in prison they have access to programs..they can also get educated...it's all about choice..

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Tue 03/04/08 02:00 PM


But from my studying of Obama , I think he is a Constitutionalist


I think you should do a bit more studying

Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism

When we get in a tussle, we appeal to the Founding Fathers and the Constitution's ratifiers to give direction. Some, like Justice Scalia, conclude that the original understanding must be followed and if we obey this rule, democracy is respected.

Others, like Justice Breyers, insist that sometimes the original understanding can take you only so far--that on the truly big arguments, we have to take context, history, and the practical outcomes of a decision into account.

I have to side with Justice Breyer's view of the Constitution--that it is not a static but rather a living document and must be read in the context of an ever-changing world.

I see democracy as a conversation to be had. According to this conception, the genius of Madison's design is not that it provides a fixed blueprint for action. It provides us with a framework and rules, but all its machinery are designed to force us into a conversation.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p. 89-92 Oct 1, 2006


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I disagee with the above. I do not believe in a Living Constitution, which means the Constitutution can be interpreted to suit each generation. In other words, our Constitution means whatever we want it to mean at a given time. Therefore, our Constitutuion will never mean the same thing at different times in our history. Therefore, a Living Constitution is no Constitution at all. It is nothing.

The above is the mindset of Hillary, Obama and most Democrats/Liberals. However, Republicans are Constitutionalists, which means they believe in the Constitution, as it is and are not looking for ways to change its meaning.


I agree with you...that post was for SMO cause he seems to think Obama is a constitutionalist...noway

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Tue 03/04/08 02:02 PM
just have to put in my two cents. I live in Ohio and i voted for Obama today but i dont think that he will win ohio i think Hillary will take ohio but not texas. If Obama wins the Democatic election he will win the presidency. right now he is a political super star. but if Hillary wins and somehow gets the democratic election i dont think she can beat Mc cain. But i also think that someone will try to kill Obama within the first year of his presidency. take it for what its worth message me if you want to talk more indepth.

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Tue 03/04/08 02:26 PM

just have to put in my two cents. I live in Ohio and i voted for Obama today but i dont think that he will win ohio i think Hillary will take ohio but not texas. If Obama wins the Democatic election he will win the presidency. right now he is a political super star. but if Hillary wins and somehow gets the democratic election i dont think she can beat Mc cain. But i also think that someone will try to kill Obama within the first year of his presidency. take it for what its worth message me if you want to talk more indepth.



I take umbrage with your statement, if Obama wins the presidency, someone will try to kill him within the first year. What kind of an idiot are you? Hillary will kill him on the first day ....... she won't wait a year!

laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Tue 03/04/08 02:30 PM
she let Bill live didn't she?...laugh laugh laugh

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Tue 03/04/08 02:34 PM

she let Bill live didn't she?...laugh laugh laugh




If she doesn't win the presidency, do you really believe Bill will live?!

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Tue 03/04/08 02:38 PM


she let Bill live didn't she?...laugh laugh laugh




If she doesn't win the presidency, do you really believe Bill will live?!



now you sound like SMO laugh

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Tue 03/04/08 02:38 PM


she let Bill live didn't she?...laugh laugh laugh




If she doesn't win the presidency, do you really believe Bill will live?!


you have a point....wonder what the odds are in Vegas..bigsmile

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Tue 03/04/08 02:39 PM
Edited by northrn_yanke on Tue 03/04/08 02:49 PM



she let Bill live didn't she?...laugh laugh laugh




If she doesn't win the presidency, do you really believe Bill will live?!



now you sound like SMO laugh


I do not...do you see Zionist is there?....laugh laugh laugh

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Tue 03/04/08 02:41 PM
laugh

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Tue 03/04/08 03:22 PM

Drugs addicts shouldn't be in prisons. They need to be in
long term quality rehab.


they chose to take drugs and knew doing so was agaisnt the law...and when they're in prison they have access to programs..they can also get educated...it's all about choice..


Can we agree to disagree on this one? I have worked in a drug rehab - dual diagnosis unit. I know their struggle. I have a person close to me with this problem. Yes, the first time they used was a choice. When the addiction starts, it changes the wiring of the brain and their brain sees their choices diminish.
That is a very, very simple explanation.

The prison's lack adequate drug and alcohol programs.

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Tue 03/04/08 03:37 PM


Drugs addicts shouldn't be in prisons. They need to be in
long term quality rehab.


they chose to take drugs and knew doing so was agaisnt the law...and when they're in prison they have access to programs..they can also get educated...it's all about choice..


Can we agree to disagree on this one? I have worked in a drug rehab - dual diagnosis unit. I know their struggle. I have a person close to me with this problem. Yes, the first time they used was a choice. When the addiction starts, it changes the wiring of the brain and their brain sees their choices diminish.
That is a very, very simple explanation.

The prison's lack adequate drug and alcohol programs.


some view prison as one long drug rehab, they come out clean of drugs....

but i do see where you are coming from too.

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Tue 03/04/08 03:43 PM
Edited by Winx on Tue 03/04/08 03:46 PM
Not using during prison time just means they are being clean. It doesn't change behavior or thinking. It's called being a dry drunk.

It doesn't change their thinking or teach them how to deal with life on life's terms. They need cognitive therapy rehab or the 12-step program. They need to learn how to deal with stress without drugs or alcohol. And get counseling for the guilt and depression. Then they might become responsible members of society. Addiction is a tough thing to beat. Without this help, many use as soon as they get out of prison because they can't handle the stress when they get out.

Many, many people with this problem have underlying mental issues and self-medicate.

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Tue 03/04/08 03:47 PM

Not using during prison time just means they are being clean. It doesn't change behavior or thinking. It's called being a dry drunk.

It doesn't change their thinking or teach them how to deal with life on life's terms. They need cognitive therapy rehab or the 12-step program. They need to learn how to deal with stress without drugs or alcohol. And they counseling for the guilt and depression. Many, many people with this problem have underlying mental issues.


I was a cop with AZDOC for a while and I'm here to tell you that Heroin, Coke and Booze are NOT an uncommon occurrence in prisons!