Topic: Question
Bearsman's photo
Sun 02/24/08 07:56 PM

The general opinion is not rule. In the 1600's the general opinion was that the Earth was flat and the sun revolved around us. In the 1700's the general opinion was that black people were inferior to whites. Reason and Reality take priority over what people believe to be true, and the reality is that Theocracy of any kind is a terrible, oppressive regime which serves only to hold back the human race and shackle the mind to a certain way of thinking. History has proven that time and time again. Fascism always comes bearing a symbol of God.



I'm backing you up!! devil

Winx's photo
Sun 02/24/08 08:30 PM

religion and politics, or religion and government?


More specific - religion and government.

Jess642's photo
Mon 02/25/08 03:45 AM
Which religion, and which politics?

Our politics here in Australia are a long way from any Christian belief....actually they are a fair way from any religion...although the new Prime Minister has an honourable and respectful methodology....

Obviously not a religious politician... but an honourable human...:wink: laugh laugh laugh

adj4u's photo
Mon 02/25/08 04:21 AM
Edited by adj4u on Mon 02/25/08 04:24 AM

Do you believe that religion and politics are supposed to be separate?


to lead by religion would be an oppression of others

with different values

most religions set forth a set of values

who is to say tha one group of peoples values

are to over ride another's

as you say politics

i am a little unclear as to your question

but to say someone should not be religious

during there run for office is a breach

of their right to proclaim how and what they feel

if such feeling help or hurt their election bid so be it

but to govern by such beliefs is questionable

as back to the question

who is to say what groups values shall over ride another's

there is a group of papers set forth (in the united states)

and [maybe some other you can chime in on your respective country]

that takes these things into consideration

you have rights to believe what you wish to believe

and say what you want to say

and the right

protect those rights

with the use of weapons if need be

these rights and others set forth the feelings

and show the wisdom of the forefathers of the united states

the deterioration of these rights

show the lack of fortitude of the "people"

of the united states to govern the government

and when the "people" refuse to govern

their government then soon the

government becomes the supreme power

(think about how most hate gwb)

he has shown more power than any of his predecessors

and yet everyone wants to blame him and congress

yet it is the "peoples" responsibility to insure

the government is run properly

if the "people" do not do their part

they no longer deserve nor maintain their freedoms

which should be evident in the united states of today

as the bill of rights slowly becomes eroded away

so should religion and politics be separate

i think not

but should government and religion be separated

i think so



Jess642's photo
Mon 02/25/08 04:25 AM
Is George Bush religious?

I have no idea.....

And what is his religion/

I suspect a Christian based religion...

And I ask... has any other form of leader of government in the US been any other religion . besides Christian? huh



adj4u's photo
Mon 02/25/08 04:32 AM

Is George Bush religious?

I have no idea.....

And what is his religion/

I suspect a Christian based religion...

And I ask... has any other form of leader of government in the US been any other religion . besides Christian? huh





here ya a link

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0194030.html

gotta go be well

no more preachin from me for a while

:wink: :wink:

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Jess642's photo
Mon 02/25/08 04:48 AM
Edited by Jess642 on Mon 02/25/08 04:50 AM


Is George Bush religious?

I have no idea.....

And what is his religion/

I suspect a Christian based religion...

And I ask... has any other form of leader of government in the US been any other religion . besides Christian? huh







here ya a link

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0194030.html

gotta go be well

no more preachin from me for a while

:wink: :wink:

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh



Thanks Robin, so only one president in the WHOLE history of the US has been of a borderline Christian based faith....?

interesting...huh

no photo
Mon 02/25/08 05:46 AM

Which religion, and which politics?

Our politics here in Australia are a long way from any Christian belief....actually they are a fair way from any religion...although the new Prime Minister has an honourable and respectful methodology....

Obviously not a religious politician... but an honourable human...:wink: laugh laugh laugh



Jesse...... Which Australia are you talking about? I had a course a few years back entitled "The World's Religions." I remember reading that over two-thirds of Australians are Christian in some way. One-sixth of the population have no religious beliefs, and the remaining are a mixture of various world's religions.

Winx's photo
Wed 02/27/08 10:44 PM
When I was in college, I took the course, The World's Religions.

The author of the textbook is Huston Smith.

Was it by any chance the same textbook as yours?

Jess642's photo
Wed 02/27/08 10:48 PM


Which religion, and which politics?

Our politics here in Australia are a long way from any Christian belief....actually they are a fair way from any religion...although the new Prime Minister has an honourable and respectful methodology....

Obviously not a religious politician... but an honourable human...:wink: laugh laugh laugh



Jesse...... Which Australia are you talking about? I had a course a few years back entitled "The World's Religions." I remember reading that over two-thirds of Australians are Christian in some way. One-sixth of the population have no religious beliefs, and the remaining are a mixture of various world's religions.




laugh laugh laugh Good try leahmarie... but it's a bit lame using someone else's line....

Go ahead and read all you want.... was that in the human resource course? The one where you show how good you are at relating to humans???

The stats are there... try Bureau of statistics... the different is, there is a minority of religious fervour here, and a minority of religion governing the laws, unlike some countries that shall remain namelss..bigsmile

AllenAqua's photo
Wed 02/27/08 10:50 PM
Yes...unless Jesus shows up on the ballot:tongue:

spqr's photo
Wed 02/27/08 10:54 PM

Do you believe that religion and politics are supposed to be separate?


Well yes, politics relies more on economy now. It has evolved ;)
Instead of a threatening you with lightning bolt they can just raise the price of gas to convince you.

religion is a tool of politic.

Jokes apart, yes of course.

smo's photo
Fri 02/29/08 12:31 PM
This nation was built on faith in GOD,(light) But the KHAZARS(dark) want to remove anything that has to do with CHRIST (light) from all schools, court houses,,public squares, They have in mind to totally remove Christianity from the earth,if they can.(Satanic serpent people) I hear that some secret(dark) organizations have the serpent(dark)(SATAN) in their symbols,(IS it the masons ?)Many secret(dark) Organizations are connected at the top levels , but none of the little guys are ever told about that. And I read that the top levels are reserved for KHAZARS(serpent people) only, and they use the little guys as information (spies) guys in their local communities, pretty neat ,HUH??? You probably never imagined how easy it was to build this one world order.(makes you feel pretty important too, doesn't it?)(belonging to a secret org) How long have these secret(dark) organizations been around. And are not the most prominent people in your locality usually members of these organizations??? Just Harmless right?? What are they Hiding?? If there is nothing to hide ,then why is it SECRET??(DARK) This nation has been battling those guys since George Washington(yes, they are the speculators of money too) And how about those carpet baggers after the Civil WAR ???This country has had a tough road trying to KEEP GOD IN OUR GOVERNMENT, But remember ,GOD ALWAYS WINS!!!YES GOD IS supposed to be in AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. If you throw him out ,you don't have much left worth anything!!!

toastedoranges's photo
Thu 03/27/08 11:19 AM
church and state should ALWAYS be disconnected. no law shall violate our founding documents, like many churchy folk seek. our freedomes are essential.


This country was founded on the principals of religion though. "One nation under God"?


you should look up the history of that


This nation was built on faith in GOD,(light) But the KHAZARS(dark) want to remove anything that has to do with CHRIST (light) from all schools, court houses,,public squares, They have in mind to totally remove Christianity from the earth,if they can.(Satanic serpent people) I hear that some secret(dark) organizations have the serpent(dark)(SATAN) in their symbols,(IS it the masons ?)Many secret(dark) Organizations are connected at the top levels , but none of the little guys are ever told about that. And I read that the top levels are reserved for KHAZARS(serpent people) only, and they use the little guys as information (spies) guys in their local communities, pretty neat ,HUH??? You probably never imagined how easy it was to build this one world order.(makes you feel pretty important too, doesn't it?)(belonging to a secret org) How long have these secret(dark) organizations been around. And are not the most prominent people in your locality usually members of these organizations??? Just Harmless right?? What are they Hiding?? If there is nothing to hide ,then why is it SECRET??(DARK) This nation has been battling those guys since George Washington(yes, they are the speculators of money too) And how about those carpet baggers after the Civil WAR ???This country has had a tough road trying to KEEP GOD IN OUR GOVERNMENT, But remember ,GOD ALWAYS WINS!!!YES GOD IS supposed to be in AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. If you throw him out ,you don't have much left worth anything!!!



laugh laugh what planet are you from? american history, study it..

Lindyy's photo
Thu 03/27/08 11:22 AM
Edited by Lindyy on Thu 03/27/08 11:24 AM
Toasted:

Again, what is with Jerry Falwell's picture? From what I read, he stands for everything that you do not believe in.

ESPECIALLY the speaking out against things such as abortion, ten comandments, supporting the Evangelical movement, after all, he was one of the founders of the 'Christian Coalition.'

You do know that he passed away, do you not?

Just very curious.

Lindyy
:heart:

toastedoranges's photo
Thu 03/27/08 11:30 AM

Toasted:

Again, what is with Jerry Falwell's picture? From what I read, he stands for everything that you do not believe in.

ESPECIALLY the speaking out against things such as abortion, ten comandments, supporting the Evangelical movement, after all, he was one of the founders of the 'Christian Coalition.'

You do know that he passed away, do you not?

Just very curious.

Lindyy
:heart:


well, i answered ya elsewhere.

and fyi, he stood for quite a few things i hope NOONE else believes in

and how do you know i don't believe in the majority if not all of the 10 comandments? just because i'm not godly doesn't mean i'm a bad person

Lindyy's photo
Thu 03/27/08 11:32 AM


Toasted:

Again, what is with Jerry Falwell's picture? From what I read, he stands for everything that you do not believe in.

ESPECIALLY the speaking out against things such as abortion, ten comandments, supporting the Evangelical movement, after all, he was one of the founders of the 'Christian Coalition.'

You do know that he passed away, do you not?

Just very curious.

Lindyy
:heart:


well, i answered ya elsewhere.

and fyi, he stood for quite a few things i hope NOONE else believes in

and how do you know i don't believe in the majority if not all of the 10 comandments? just because i'm not godly doesn't mean i'm a bad person


Toasted:

Yes, I just read where you responded in another post.

I stand for everything Jerry Falwell stood for, and so do millions upon millions of the Evangelicals and Christian Coalition, or are you not up to par with that information? They are a very strong group of citizens. Never understimate the power of God's people.

Your reasoning for having Jerry Falwell's picture posed is very immature, but then that does not surprise me about you.

Lindyy
:heart:

toastedoranges's photo
Thu 03/27/08 11:35 AM
turn the other cheek

no photo
Thu 03/27/08 11:41 AM

When I was in college, I took the course, The World's Religions.

The author of the textbook is Huston Smith.

Was it by any chance the same textbook as yours?



I took the course at Penn in 2003 and I believe it was the same author. It was a great course.

no photo
Thu 03/27/08 11:50 AM



Which religion, and which politics?

Our politics here in Australia are a long way from any Christian belief....actually they are a fair way from any religion...although the new Prime Minister has an honourable and respectful methodology....

Obviously not a religious politician... but an honourable human...:wink: laugh laugh laugh



Jesse...... Which Australia are you talking about? I had a course a few years back entitled "The World's Religions." I remember reading that over two-thirds of Australians are Christian in some way. One-sixth of the population have no religious beliefs, and the remaining are a mixture of various world's religions.




laugh laugh laugh Good try leahmarie... but it's a bit lame using someone else's line....

Go ahead and read all you want.... was that in the human resource course? The one where you show how good you are at relating to humans???

The stats are there... try Bureau of statistics... the different is, there is a minority of religious fervour here, and a minority of religion governing the laws, unlike some countries that shall remain namelss..bigsmile


Jesse .... Your post doesn't make sense. I reference a textbook I had at Penn. You are using stats from the Internet. What is the difference and why is it "a bit lame [for me to use] someone else's line", particularly when I cite the source? As you pointed out, I am an HR person. Therefore, it is natural for me to go to an expert for religious stats.

You are showing your ignorance by asking, if my taking "The World's Religions" has to do with Human Resources. When one goes to a college/university, a specific number of diversified courses are required. Taking "The World's Religions" counted as one of those necessary courses and has little to do with HR.