Topic: "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinct
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Tue 02/26/08 07:18 AM



THEY DONT PADDLE,THEY WALK ACROSS THE BORDERS ,THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY WITH THE SAME PRIVILEDGES AND PROBLEMS AS ANY OTHER DEMOCRATIC NATION...TYPICAL AMERICAN ARROGANCE TO THINK YOU ARE THE ONLY SHINING STAR IN THE WORLD.

apologies for the all CAPS dont know any other way to emphasize.



symbelyne...... I didn't say we were the only shining star in the world. But we are the richest and most powerful country in the world, which is why millions and millions of people will risk their lives and give up everything to come here. You didn't really answer my post, but one cannot argue with facts.


If by richest and most powerful you mean most in debt and armed with the highest number of WMD in the world, then you get no argument from me.



symbelyne....... Obviously, I am never going to get an answer out of you as to why your country is so great, so I will not waste any more time on you.

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Tue 02/26/08 07:22 AM




THEY DONT PADDLE,THEY WALK ACROSS THE BORDERS ,THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY WITH THE SAME PRIVILEDGES AND PROBLEMS AS ANY OTHER DEMOCRATIC NATION...TYPICAL AMERICAN ARROGANCE TO THINK YOU ARE THE ONLY SHINING STAR IN THE WORLD.

apologies for the all CAPS dont know any other way to emphasize.



symbelyne...... I didn't say we were the only shining star in the world. But we are the richest and most powerful country in the world, which is why millions and millions of people will risk their lives and give up everything to come here. You didn't really answer my post, but one cannot argue with facts.


If by richest and most powerful you mean most in debt and armed with the highest number of WMD in the world, then you get no argument from me.



symbelyne....... Obviously, I am never going to get an answer out of you as to why your country is so great, so I will not waste any more time on you.


My country is great because I love it as much as you love yours...what do you want? page after page of facts??? I dont have to justify anything to you. Want to know about Argentina, google it, or better yet visit it...you'll cry your eyes out the day you have to leave because of how great this country and its people are.

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Tue 02/26/08 07:26 AM
Argentina: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ar.html

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Tue 02/26/08 07:26 AM
Edited by karmafury on Tue 02/26/08 07:27 AM
November 28, 2007 12:00am

AUSTRALIA is the third-most desirable country in which to live according to an annual United Nations report that looks at wealth, life expectancy and educational levels.

Australia came in behind top ranking Iceland, and Norway in second spot.

The top three nations have not changed since last year's report, when Australia was again in third, but Norway was on top and Iceland second.

AIDS-afflicted sub-Saharan African states occupied the lowest rankings of the UN Human Development Index, which assesses 177 countries and territories on the three key indicators.

As expected, rich free-market countries dominate the top places.

Behind Iceland, Norway and Australia come Canada and Ireland. But the United States has slipped to 12th place, from eighth last year.


http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22833504-5013605,00.html

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Tue 02/26/08 07:31 AM

November 28, 2007 12:00am

AUSTRALIA is the third-most desirable country in which to live according to an annual United Nations report that looks at wealth, life expectancy and educational levels.

Australia came in behind top ranking Iceland, and Norway in second spot.

The top three nations have not changed since last year's report, when Australia was again in third, but Norway was on top and Iceland second.

AIDS-afflicted sub-Saharan African states occupied the lowest rankings of the UN Human Development Index, which assesses 177 countries and territories on the three key indicators.

As expected, rich free-market countries dominate the top places.

Behind Iceland, Norway and Australia come Canada and Ireland. But the United States has slipped to 12th place, from eighth last year.


http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22833504-5013605,00.html


Probably because of all the illegal aliens coming over the border, you know what they say, "there goes the neighborhood" laugh

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Tue 02/26/08 07:32 AM
so does that mean we lose the popularity contest??frown

<kinda reminds me of highschool>

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Tue 02/26/08 07:35 AM


November 28, 2007 12:00am

AUSTRALIA is the third-most desirable country in which to live according to an annual United Nations report that looks at wealth, life expectancy and educational levels.

Australia came in behind top ranking Iceland, and Norway in second spot.

The top three nations have not changed since last year's report, when Australia was again in third, but Norway was on top and Iceland second.

AIDS-afflicted sub-Saharan African states occupied the lowest rankings of the UN Human Development Index, which assesses 177 countries and territories on the three key indicators.

As expected, rich free-market countries dominate the top places.

Behind Iceland, Norway and Australia come Canada and Ireland. But the United States has slipped to 12th place, from eighth last year.


http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22833504-5013605,00.html


Probably because of all the illegal aliens coming over the border, you know what they say, "there goes the neighborhood" laugh


No doubt the same thing that Native Americans have been saying for the past 200 years. Where did your kin come from????

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Tue 02/26/08 07:46 AM
Edited by karmafury on Tue 02/26/08 07:48 AM



November 28, 2007 12:00am

AUSTRALIA is the third-most desirable country in which to live according to an annual United Nations report that looks at wealth, life expectancy and educational levels.

Australia came in behind top ranking Iceland, and Norway in second spot.

The top three nations have not changed since last year's report, when Australia was again in third, but Norway was on top and Iceland second.

AIDS-afflicted sub-Saharan African states occupied the lowest rankings of the UN Human Development Index, which assesses 177 countries and territories on the three key indicators.

As expected, rich free-market countries dominate the top places.

Behind Iceland, Norway and Australia come Canada and Ireland. But the United States has slipped to 12th place, from eighth last year.


http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22833504-5013605,00.html


Probably because of all the illegal aliens coming over the border, you know what they say, "there goes the neighborhood" laugh


No doubt the same thing that Native Americans have been saying for the past 200 years. Where did your kin come from????



Not to take sides here but:



Indigenous Peoples in Argentina

Their territories expropriated over decades and their chiefs militarily defeated, the indigenous nations were incorporated as subjugated peoples and insecure occupiers of their own lands; they were forced to adopt a foreign religion and way of life. Their autonomous socio-economic systems were destroyed and, ever since, they have been subordinated to the processes of capitalist expansion and contraction, despite the fact that their food security depends more on hunting, fishing, gathering and small crop-growing in the north and sheep and cattle rearing in the south.

Many Argentinians believe there are no indigenous people in their country, either because the majority have died out or are on the verge of doing so, or because "their descendants" were assimilated into Western civilisation long ago and they now live like any other citizen. Generalised stereotypes have forced many indigenous people to defensively hide their identity in order to avoid being subjected to racial discrimination. Even so, the use of pejorative terms likening the Indians/indigenous to lazy, idle, dirty, ignorant and savage are common in everyday language.


Toward the XVIIIth century, the Diaguitas had been assimilated by the Hispanic Creole society. Nowadays, almost nothing remains of their beliefs, traditions or cultural values.


Colonial history is pretty much the same all over.

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Tue 02/26/08 08:00 AM
Edited by karmafury on Tue 02/26/08 08:02 AM


Drivenmenutz, I disagree...Australia is not a warmongering formidable force, never has been, probably never will be....we dont have a massive budget for weapons, to defend our freedom.

We help out when asked, and do our best to let others be, unless there is oppression, and other countries ask for our help.

We have peace, we have freedom....TODAY...why?

Lots of reasons...and yes, it could have looked different during world war 2, however, the government of the time had already drawn a big blue line across the top of Australia to hand over to Japan, in the event of invasion...what does that say?

Peace and freedom is more about state of mind, and what one is willing to compromise on.

Freedom, and liberty, is a catch cry, that will be ever elusive to those that prefer bullying tactics... all it does is create a mindset of having to sleep with one eye open and hope those that have been left disgruntled don't multiply quicker than one can count....




JESSE......

You cannot compare America and Australia. America was founded as a land of hope, freedom and opportunity. Australia was founded as a prison colony. As I mentioned in an earlier post America is the land where Europe sent its best and its brightest. Australia is where Europe dumped its worst, its criminals, its murderers, its rapists, its child molesters and all its other dredges of humanity who were not fit to live with good God-fearing people.

You talk about murder. Let's talk about Australia's autrocity against humanity in 1970. I will remind you since I am sure it is something you have conveniently forgotten about. It was genocide. Let me spell that out for you .... Australia planned the deliberate systematic annihilation of its aborigine people by taking the children away from their parents. It was supposedly for the good of the children. So, tell me when your countrymen were spouting freedom, did the aborigine people understand Australia was annihilating them for the sake of freedom.

My suggestion is before you criticize America, take a long hard look at Australia. Incidentally, I can give an even more nasty history lesson about your country, but I am not out to destroy you. I want you to stick to the topic of the thread and stop bashing America.





When speaking about the things done to the First Australians (not Aboriginals...a term they don't like) perhaps a look at own history.


The Aftermath of Native American Genocide and the Legacy it Has Left Behind:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/94331/The-Aftermath-of-Native-American-Genocide-and-the-Legacy-it-Has-Left-Behind


Assimilating the Natives in the U.S. and Australia

http://www.kooriweb.org/gst/genocide/essay_15.html




And yes just as guilty in Canada with the Residential Schools.




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Tue 02/26/08 08:05 AM
what I'm wondering about is who the native people stole the land from....noway

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Tue 02/26/08 09:17 AM
they stole it from the cavemen silly.


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Tue 02/26/08 09:39 AM
Edited by symbelmyne on Tue 02/26/08 09:41 AM
Karmafury:
The Spaniards that came to this country all but wiped out the indiginous population, much like they did in Mexico and the rest of Latin America. It is a bloody and shameful history that only now is getting attention.

The indigenious people were not welcoming and resisted being colonized (since they were literally worked to death in the gold and silver mines) and baptized. But little could they do against the weapons and diseases that the Spaniards brought with them.

The name used here is "negro" when talking about the "lower classes".

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Tue 02/26/08 12:09 PM

November 28, 2007 12:00am

AUSTRALIA is the third-most desirable country in which to live according to an annual United Nations report that looks at wealth, life expectancy and educational levels.

Australia came in behind top ranking Iceland, and Norway in second spot.

The top three nations have not changed since last year's report, when Australia was again in third, but Norway was on top and Iceland second.

AIDS-afflicted sub-Saharan African states occupied the lowest rankings of the UN Human Development Index, which assesses 177 countries and territories on the three key indicators.

As expected, rich free-market countries dominate the top places.

Behind Iceland, Norway and Australia come Canada and Ireland. But the United States has slipped to 12th place, from eighth last year.


http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22833504-5013605,00.html


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kermafury.......

So Australia is the third ranked country in which to live. Your survey doesn't mean squat. I found one in which your country wasn't even listed.

Ireland was listed as the most desirable country in which to live, followed by Switzerland, Norway and Luxembourg.

I found another survey, which listed different countries other than the above in various rankings. Considering your report and mine, this tells me that if I kept searching I could probably find one that would show the USA in the top three. In other words, these surveys don't mean a darn thing.

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Tue 02/26/08 12:26 PM
Edited by leahmarie on Tue 02/26/08 12:32 PM

Karmafury:
The Spaniards that came to this country all but wiped out the indiginous population, much like they did in Mexico and the rest of Latin America. It is a bloody and shameful history that only now is getting attention.

The indigenious people were not welcoming and resisted being colonized (since they were literally worked to death in the gold and silver mines) and baptized. But little could they do against the weapons and diseases that the Spaniards brought with them.

The name used here is "negro" when talking about the "lower classes".


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symbelyne.......

You said that the term "negro" refers to the "lower classes." I thought that "negro" refers to people who have a high melanen content in their skin, that is dark skinned people, those of African ethnic origin.

I also thought the term "lower classes" incorporates references to education, to occupation, to culture, and to income.

In Mexico the Spaniards wiped out the Aztek (? spell) Indians and in the USA, the colonists wiped out the Indians although political correctness has turned them from Indians into Native Americans.

Do you mean that "negro" refers to "lower classes" in your country? Or, is that termonology that goes way back before our time?

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Tue 02/26/08 12:28 PM

they stole it from the cavemen silly.





Foliel .......

By George! Finally a man who makes sense! laugh

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Tue 02/26/08 01:21 PM
Edited by karmafury on Tue 02/26/08 01:22 PM


November 28, 2007 12:00am

AUSTRALIA is the third-most desirable country in which to live according to an annual United Nations report that looks at wealth, life expectancy and educational levels.

Australia came in behind top ranking Iceland, and Norway in second spot.

The top three nations have not changed since last year's report, when Australia was again in third, but Norway was on top and Iceland second.

AIDS-afflicted sub-Saharan African states occupied the lowest rankings of the UN Human Development Index, which assesses 177 countries and territories on the three key indicators.

As expected, rich free-market countries dominate the top places.

Behind Iceland, Norway and Australia come Canada and Ireland. But the United States has slipped to 12th place, from eighth last year.


http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22833504-5013605,00.html


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kermafury.......

So Australia is the third ranked country in which to live. Your survey doesn't mean squat. I found one in which your country wasn't even listed.

Ireland was listed as the most desirable country in which to live, followed by Switzerland, Norway and Luxembourg.

I found another survey, which listed different countries other than the above in various rankings. Considering your report and mine, this tells me that if I kept searching I could probably find one that would show the USA in the top three. In other words, these surveys don't mean a darn thing.




Here's the 2007 / 2008 United Nations Human Development Report taken from United Nations page: http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/


2007/2008 Human Development Index rankings
High Human Development

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Ireland
6. Sweden
7. Switzerland
8. Japan
9. Netherlands
10. France
11. Finland
12. United States
13. Spain
14. Denmark
15. Austria
16. United Kingdom
17. Belgium
18. Luxembourg
19. New Zealand
20. Italy
21. Hong Kong, China (SAR)
22. Germany
23. Israel
24. Greece
25. Singapore
26. Korea, Rep. of
27. Slovenia
28. Cyprus
29. Portugal
30. Brunei Darussalam
31. Barbados
32. Czech Republic
33. Kuwait
34. Malta
35. Qatar
36. Hungary
37. Poland
38. Argentina
39. United Arab Emirates
40. Chile
41. Bahrain
42. Slovakia
43. Lithuania
44. Estonia
45. Latvia
46. Uruguay
47. Croatia
48. Costa Rica
49. Bahamas
50. Seychelles
51. Cuba
52. Mexico
53. Bulgaria
54. Saint Kitts and Nevis
55. Tonga
56. Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
57. Antigua and Barbuda
58. Oman
59. Trinidad and Tobago
60. Romania
61. Saudi Arabia
62. Panama
63. Malaysia
64. Belarus
65. Mauritius
66. Bosnia and Herzegovina
67. Russian Federation
68. Albania
69. Macedonia, TFYR
70. Brazil


Medium Human Development

71. Dominica
72. Saint Lucia
73. Kazakhstan
74. Venezuela, Rep. Bov.
75. Colombia
76. Ukraine
77. Samoa
78. Thailand
79. Dominican Republic
80. Belize
81. China
82. Grenada
83. Armenia
84. Turkey
85. Suriname
86. Jordan
87. Peru
88. Lebanon
89. Ecuador
90. Philippines
91. Tunisia
92. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
93. Fiji
94. Iran, Islamic Rep. of
95. Paraguay
96. Georgia
97. Guyana
98. Azerbaijan
99. Sri Lanka
100. Maldives
101. Jamaica
102. Cape Verde
103. El Salvador
104. Algeria
105. Viet Nam
106. Occupied Palestinian Territories
107. Indonesia
108. Syrian Arab Republic
109. Turkmenistan
110. Nicaragua
111. Moldova
112. Egypt
113. Uzbekistan
114. Mongolia
115. Honduras
116. Kyrgyzstan
117. Bolivia
118. Guatemala
119. Gabon
120. Vanuatu
121. South Africa
122. Tajikistan
123. São Tomé and Principe
124. Botswana
125. Namibia
126. Morocco
127. Equatorial Guinea
128. India
129. Solomon Islands
130. Lao, People's Dem. Rep.
131. Cambodia
132. Myanmar
133. Bhutan
134. Comoros
135. Ghana
136. Pakistan
137. Mauritania
138. Lesotho
139. Congo
140. Bangladesh
141. Swaziland
142. Nepal
143. Madagascar
144. Cameroon
145. Papua New Guinea
146. Haiti
147. Sudan
148. Kenya
149. Djibouti
150. Timor-Leste
151. Zimbabwe
152. Togo
153. Yemen
154. Uganda
155. Gambia


Low Human Development

156. Senegal
157. Eritrea
158. Nigeria
159. Tanzania, U. Rep. of
160. Guinea
161. Rwanda
162. Angola
163. Benin
164. Malawi
165. Zambia
166. Côte d'Ivoire
167. Burundi
168. Congo, Dem. Rep.
169. Ethiopia
170. Chad
171. Central African Republic
172. Mozambique
173. Mali
174. Niger
175. Guinea-Bissau
176. Burkina Faso
177. Sierra Leone

FACT: Inequalities in ability to cope with climate change are emerging as an increasingly powerful driver of wider inequalities between and within countries.

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Tue 02/26/08 01:38 PM
karmafury.....

You are just proving my point. All one has to do is surf the websites to find a survey that fits in with his/her way of thinking. Again, if I had the time and energy, I could surf the web and find sites that put the USA way up there. But what is the point. You would find another survey that would put your country in the top three, four, whatever. The only thing we would accomplish is that we would both waste a lot of time putting up pointless surveys.

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Tue 02/26/08 01:53 PM
Edited by Jess642 on Tue 02/26/08 01:58 PM


Drivenmenutz, I disagree...Australia is not a warmongering formidable force, never has been, probably never will be....we dont have a massive budget for weapons, to defend our freedom.

We help out when asked, and do our best to let others be, unless there is oppression, and other countries ask for our help.

We have peace, we have freedom....TODAY...why?

Lots of reasons...and yes, it could have looked different during world war 2, however, the government of the time had already drawn a big blue line across the top of Australia to hand over to Japan, in the event of invasion...what does that say?

Peace and freedom is more about state of mind, and what one is willing to compromise on.

Freedom, and liberty, is a catch cry, that will be ever elusive to those that prefer bullying tactics... all it does is create a mindset of having to sleep with one eye open and hope those that have been left disgruntled don't multiply quicker than one can count....




JESSE......

You cannot compare America and Australia. America was founded as a land of hope, freedom and opportunity. Australia was founded as a prison colony. As I mentioned in an earlier post America is the land where Europe sent its best and its brightest. Australia is where Europe dumped its worst, its criminals, its murderers, its rapists, its child molesters and all its other dredges of humanity who were not fit to live with good God-fearing people.

You talk about murder. Let's talk about Australia's autrocity against humanity in 1970. I will remind you since I am sure it is something you have conveniently forgotten about. It was genocide. Let me spell that out for you .... Australia planned the deliberate systematic annihilation of its aborigine people by taking the children away from their parents. It was supposedly for the good of the children. So, tell me when your countrymen were spouting freedom, did the aborigine people understand Australia was annihilating them for the sake of freedom.

My suggestion is before you criticize America, take a long hard loook at Australia. Incidentally, I can give an even more nasty history lesson about your country, but I am not out to destroy you. I want you to stick to the topic of the thread and stop bashing America.






Lah lah lah lah lah...is that it??? Lmao...

The Stolen generation were not killed... and it started in 1910, a forcible assimilation of indigenoua Australians into a European settler way of life... Leahmarie, you my dear with your human relations tag, really need to do some human relations in the history department..laugh laugh laugh

So, from 1910 up until 1976...(so you caught the tail end of the history book), children were taken from their families and placed into Church run missions, or adopted into european settlers homesteads and families in the hope of assimilating this beautiful and ancient culture, and within 5 or 6 generations, 'breeding' the indigenous out of them.


Secondly MS LM...Australia was not only a penal colony, but a wonderful enticement for the wealthy and elite middle class to receive land grants, vast amounts of land for grazing, in the late 1700's early 1800's...

A tiny proportion of the original ancestors were of convict origins , and usually for a loaf of bread stolen, you have that arse up too leahmarie, the really vicious crimes, convicts were hung, back in the old Motherland....which was yours too.....


(And who do you think dug the holes, felled the trees, and cleared the land, for your wealthy origins? It certainly wasn't them and their lily white hands....)

Get a grip Lady, if thats the best you can do, try to minimise a poster, by trying, (rather poorly I may add), to ridicule and diminish someone's credibility by their origins....you so need a brush up in the human relations, and human resource industry...flowerforyou

So while we are on this little historical sojourn, with your transparent attempts at using humiliation to control my posts, lets look at the First Nation, and the First Peoples of the US shall we?

So, for a handful of beads, and a wink and a nudge, your ancestors swindled and conned a race of peoples out of their land, and that's the elite of your ancestors...sounds more like the petty thieves that were mine...


And murderous, while we are dredging up the past....how many First people were masacred, for defending their land?


See in 1970, we weren't murdering babies, and mothers, we were realising how stupid it was to take a beautiful culture and sully it with our europeaness...(and before you choose to attempt the degrees of humiliation again, I have an adopted indigenous mother, so I know my sh*te).

Leahmarie, if you stuck to the facts.... The US today is in greater danger of more terrorist type attacks than ever before, by the number of countries they are currently bullying, you guys will never have peace, cause you are still thinking the guy with the biggest gun wins...


And in the meantime the disgruntled enemies, are just waiting until you send yourselves broke...The US is not free, it's been bonded, to a despotic madman.

So am I on topic Ms prefect???bigsmile

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Tue 02/26/08 01:59 PM



Drivenmenutz, I disagree...Australia is not a warmongering formidable force, never has been, probably never will be....we dont have a massive budget for weapons, to defend our freedom.

We help out when asked, and do our best to let others be, unless there is oppression, and other countries ask for our help.

We have peace, we have freedom....TODAY...why?

Lots of reasons...and yes, it could have looked different during world war 2, however, the government of the time had already drawn a big blue line across the top of Australia to hand over to Japan, in the event of invasion...what does that say?

Peace and freedom is more about state of mind, and what one is willing to compromise on.

Freedom, and liberty, is a catch cry, that will be ever elusive to those that prefer bullying tactics... all it does is create a mindset of having to sleep with one eye open and hope those that have been left disgruntled don't multiply quicker than one can count....




JESSE......

You cannot compare America and Australia. America was founded as a land of hope, freedom and opportunity. Australia was founded as a prison colony. As I mentioned in an earlier post America is the land where Europe sent its best and its brightest. Australia is where Europe dumped its worst, its criminals, its murderers, its rapists, its child molesters and all its other dredges of humanity who were not fit to live with good God-fearing people.

You talk about murder. Let's talk about Australia's autrocity against humanity in 1970. I will remind you since I am sure it is something you have conveniently forgotten about. It was genocide. Let me spell that out for you .... Australia planned the deliberate systematic annihilation of its aborigine people by taking the children away from their parents. It was supposedly for the good of the children. So, tell me when your countrymen were spouting freedom, did the aborigine people understand Australia was annihilating them for the sake of freedom.

My suggestion is before you criticize America, take a long hard loook at Australia. Incidentally, I can give an even more nasty history lesson about your country, but I am not out to destroy you. I want you to stick to the topic of the thread and stop bashing America.






Lah lah lah lah lah...is that it??? Lmao...

The Stolen generation were not killed... and it started in 1910, a forcible assimilation of indigenoua Australians into a European settler way of life... Leahmarie, you my dear with your human relations tag, really need to do some human relations in the history department..laugh laugh laugh

So, from 1910 up until 1976...(so you caught the tail end of the history book), children were taken from their families and placed into Church run missions, or adopted into european settlers homesteads and families in the hope of assimilating this beautiful and ancient culture, and within 5 or 6 generations, 'breeding' the indigenous out of them.


Secondly MS LM...Australia was not only a penal colony, but a wonderful enticement for the wealthy and elite middle class to receive land grants, vast amounts of land for grazing, in the late 1700's early 1800's...

A tiny proportion of the original ancestors were of convict origins , and usually for a loaf of bread stolen, you have that arse up too leahmarie, the really vicious crimes, convicts were hung, back in the old Motherland....which was yours too.....


(And who do you think dug the holes, felled the trees, and cleared the land, for your wealthy origins? It certainly wasn't them and their lily white hands....)

Get a grip Lady, if thats the best you can do, try to minimise a poster, by trying, (rather poorly I may add), to ridicule and diminish someone's credibility by their origins....you so newed a brush up in the human relations, and human resource industry...flowerforyou

So while we are on theis little historical sojourn, with your transparent attempts at using humiliation to control my posts, lets look at the First Nation, and the First Peoples of the US shall we?

So, for a handful of beads, and a wink and a nudge, your ancestors swindled and conned a race of peoples out of their land, and that's the elite of your ancestors...sounds more like the petty thieves that were mine...


And murderous, while we are dredging up the past....how many First people were masacred, for defending their land?


See in 1970, we weren't murdering babies, and mothers, we were realising how stupid it was to take a beautiful culture and sully it with our europeaness...(and before you choose to attempt the degrees of humiliation again, I have an adopted indigenous mother, so I know my sh*te).

Leahmarie, if you stuck to the facts.... The US today is in greater danger of more terrorist type attacks than ever before, by the number of countries they are currently bullying, you guys will never have peace, cause you are still thinking the guy with the biggest gun wins...


And in the meantime the disgruntled enemies, are just waiting until you send yourselves broke...The US is not free, it's been bonded, to a despotic madman.

So am I on topic Ms prefect???bigsmile



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jesse.....

You confirmed what I said is true. You spun it so it doesn't look so bad. You should go into politics. Why not offer your services to Hillary? She needs a good spin artist. And I have to admit without sarcism ..... you spin very well.

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Tue 02/26/08 02:02 PM
Edited by karmafury on Tue 02/26/08 02:03 PM

karmafury.....

You are just proving my point. All one has to do is surf the websites to find a survey that fits in with his/her way of thinking. Again, if I had the time and energy, I could surf the web and find sites that put the USA way up there. But what is the point. You would find another survey that would put your country in the top three, four, whatever. The only thing we would accomplish is that we would both waste a lot of time putting up pointless surveys.



Mine are from the United Nations Development Programme where would yours be from?