Its a bad idea for a variety of reasons. Its unconstitutional for one.

Well under the new rules implemented by Clinton's welfare reform bill back in the 90s. A welfare tech interviews clients for the program and any other programs they may be eligible for.
This will be short version cause it is extensive.

The interview process is a 16 page application covering all financial information and family composition and then an extensive evaluation to determine mental illness, abuse, drug abuse, etc..... Basically anything that would interfere with employment sometimes it as simple as needing resume and interviewing skills other times it is as intense as referral to mental health and drug rehabilitation. If they are determined to be very mentally deficient they are referred to social security for possible benefits there. Citizenship is verified, all income is verified through the IRS computers and the social security administration computers, DMV computers, Police computer system as no fleeaing felons are allowed benefits, etc.......

After evaluation and if determined there is no standing issues of drugs, abuse, etc.... in their way, clients are required to take tests for possible GED eligiblity and then a trade school of some kind.

Some clients do not require this much, they only need help with housing costs and food for a short term until they start work again but these clients have to do the job search program to get any benefits.

The others with more extensive needs must go to the places they are referred to and participate in the programs required to receive benefit.

The techs job in this is to check on them and make sure they are doing what is required, help them when they have difficulties come up, and process and confirm all incoming information, etc.....

This is why I am telling you that the people who propaganda the welfare recipients as lazy, druggies, criminals are being very prejudice and hateful. I can tell you from personal experience they are for the most part people that need a leg up in life and the system provides it. It is the few that make these rumors and they are not the norm. They are the exception.

I would also like to state that because of the stigma attached to getting help.people who really need it dont get it in fear of being stereotyped and judged.That's a shame because in most cases its the kids who suffer
As for the piss test if you get pulled over for drunk driving its usually because they suspect yo are drunk.I am not going to piss because in some assholes head all poor folk are drunks,druggies and shiftless.Most people I know are one paycheck away from the hole and I hope none of you smug "make em piss" people never truly become in need.

I would also like to state that because of the stigma attached to getting help.people who really need it dont get it in fear of being stereotyped and judged.That's a shame because in most cases its the kids who suffer
As for the piss test if you get pulled over for drunk driving its usually because they suspect yo are drunk.I am not going to piss because in some assholes head all poor folk are drunks,druggies and shiftless.Most people I know are one paycheck away from the hole and I hope none of you smug "make em piss" people never truly become in need.

None of us have ever said that it wasn't the few who had issues with drugs. None of us said (at least int his thread that I am aware of) that the majority of recipients are lazy. We have said that a major amount (not to be thought of as majority) are in these and other categories.
And that we need to have everybody drug tested so that we can find those who ARE in these categories and get them off the system so that there is more to help the ones that are there fro honorable reasons.
Nothing in life is ever fair to everyone. All people need to step down from their pedestals and realize this simple fact, thatlife is not fair. Yes it is an inconvenience to have to go in and piss in a cup because some stupid sob is out doing drugs while on assistance. But it is even more stupid and negligent on our part to not do everything we can to try and find these people in order to give more help to those who truly deserve it.

If you are not doing drugs legal or illegal, in an abusive manner, what do you have to worry about?

The testing is there for the benefit of everyone. The employer does not need someone constantly calling off work because of drunkenness or still being high. Calling off work excessively effects everyone at that place of employment, it is a domino effect.

My son works for a hospital and is a Paramedic for an ambulance service. If he went to work high or drunk, can you imagine the danger that would present to all involved, including a person just picked up by an ambulance as the result of a car accident? What if that person becoming paralyzed or not paralyzed depended upon someone doing his/her job properly? One wrong move in a getting a person out of a car and onto a stretcher could paralyze that person for life. My son has come across this type of situation many times. It is a difficult feat sober, let alone higher than a kite.

I know of a woman who is a crack addict, runs a crack house, and gets SSI every month, rent rebates, heating assistance, food stamps, and all the FREE medical help she wants and needs. Being considered disabled because you are a drug addict has been done away with for years, but she got in 'under the line'. AND the taxpayers pay for it forever.

Yes, I am all for drug testing. Too much is at risk, and if a person really wants to clean up their act (and I feel all who succumb to drug addiction, and are alcohlics deserve help) they should welcome the challange of staying clean because they face drug testing at any time. It is, in essence,for their own good.

Lindyy

I would really like to know how this is unconstitutional.....I would look it up but I am too tired to do so.
I have to pee in a cup to work.....and everyone knows here in Philly at least that addicts get assistance right away so if you want to play the game say you are one....how effed up is that? Then someoone that has been working for 20 years and paying taxes has to wait 4-10 months to have their case evaluated....
Come on....I know more addicts that get assistance and then are out using...or they get assistance and play the system and work under the table to buy their drugs....so please I really want to hear this answer,......enlighten me

my annual social security letter basically says.....Don't count on It....

I would really like to know how this is unconstitutional..

I say...you pass the test...you get the check.

You fail the test...the $50 comes outta your check

And the fact that you find this statement, intelligent, humane, nonprejudice and unsickening is beyond me. You should be ashamed of yourself for the thoughts. Do you have a life at all or is meddling and judging your line of work?

People who have drug habits are in need of more help than those who do not. In order for them to come off of a drug they need rehab and counseling and follow through. So you would just as soon just forget that population. How very American of you

And the fact that you find this statement, intelligent, humane, nonprejudice and unsickening is beyond me. You should be ashamed of yourself for the thoughts. Do you have a life at all or is meddling and judging your line of work?

People who have drug habits are in need of more help than those who do not. In order for them to come off of a drug they need rehab and counseling and follow through. So you would just as soon just forget that population. How very American of you

read the thread

it is aginst the 4th ammendment

being searched without probably cause

and you have to many people that say

if yer not doing it why does it matter

well read a couple posts up of mine

I agree that they need rehab and everything else. however, if they are in rehab then they are an inpatient (for all intents and purposes0 adn thus have no need for the assistance. HOWEVER, if they ARE in rehab at least they are trying to get off the drugs.

We are all tlaking about those who do not wish to get off the drugs. Thos who wish to collect a check from welfare, while continuing with their drug habit, with no intent whatsoever of changing.

Pissing in a cup is not unwarranted search or seizure!!! the fourth amendment pertains to your body being physically searched for anything on it, as well as your house, car, boat whatever other property you may own.