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Topic: Cash Assistance/Urine Testing
Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 02/24/08 07:56 PM
Okay being a welfare tech myself and having dealt with the clients myself I will just say this. ALL who want the testing get together and put up or shut up the money to test all clients and continue to retest and run the rehab programs for them since you all think that you KNOW better how to run others lives. And while your at that, if you have a bad credit rating I do not believe you should be able to buy or drink alcohol so I will implement a program for all who want to drink alcohol to pass a credit test of the highest degree for you to drink ever. Sound stupid? Well so does your attempt to control others lives because YOU know better how others should live. Prejudice people....man just curious, what does a welfare tech do? Well under the new rules implemented by Clinton's welfare reform bill back in the 90s. A welfare tech interviews clients for the program and any other programs they may be eligible for. This will be short version cause it is extensive. The interview process is a 16 page application covering all financial information and family composition and then an extensive evaluation to determine mental illness, abuse, drug abuse, etc..... Basically anything that would interfere with employment sometimes it as simple as needing resume and interviewing skills other times it is as intense as referral to mental health and drug rehabilitation. If they are determined to be very mentally deficient they are referred to social security for possible benefits there. Citizenship is verified, all income is verified through the IRS computers and the social security administration computers, DMV computers, Police computer system as no fleeaing felons are allowed benefits, etc....... After evaluation and if determined there is no standing issues of drugs, abuse, etc.... in their way, clients are required to take tests for possible GED eligiblity and then a trade school of some kind. Some clients do not require this much, they only need help with housing costs and food for a short term until they start work again but these clients have to do the job search program to get any benefits. The others with more extensive needs must go to the places they are referred to and participate in the programs required to receive benefit. The techs job in this is to check on them and make sure they are doing what is required, help them when they have difficulties come up, and process and confirm all incoming information, etc..... This is why I am telling you that the people who propaganda the welfare recipients as lazy, druggies, criminals are being very prejudice and hateful. I can tell you from personal experience they are for the most part people that need a leg up in life and the system provides it. It is the few that make these rumors and they are not the norm. They are the exception. None of us have ever said that it wasn't the few who had issues with drugs. None of us said (at least int his thread that I am aware of) that the majority of recipients are lazy. We have said that a major amount (not to be thought of as majority) are in these and other categories. And that we need to have everybody drug tested so that we can find those who ARE in these categories and get them off the system so that there is more to help the ones that are there fro honorable reasons. Nothing in life is ever fair to everyone. All people need to step down from their pedestals and realize this simple fact, thatlife is not fair. Yes it is an inconvenience to have to go in and piss in a cup because some stupid sob is out doing drugs while on assistance. But it is even more stupid and negligent on our part to not do everything we can to try and find these people in order to give more help to those who truly deserve it. And the fact that you find this statement, intelligent, humane, nonprejudice and unsickening is beyond me. You should be ashamed of yourself for the thoughts. Do you have a life at all or is meddling and judging your line of work? People who have drug habits are in need of more help than those who do not. In order for them to come off of a drug they need rehab and counseling and follow through. So you would just as soon just forget that population. How very American of you Also quit trying to change the subject. the subjest is wether or not welfare recipients should have to piss in a cup. Not wether or not drug abusers need help and aid fromt he community. Two different subjects completley. Did not change the subject at all, what are they peeing in a cup for? Collection, donation, what?

leahmarie Joined Fri 12/28/07 Posts: 1482	Mon 02/25/08 10:52 PM
People have a choice as to whether they want to apply for Welfare or whether they want nothing to do with it. Therefore, if a state's requirements for receiving welfare include urine testing and a person does not want to adhere to the rules for receiving welfare, then that person has the freedom to walk away and not apply for welfare.

daniel48706 Joined Fri 03/16/07 Posts: 8566	Tue 02/26/08 08:42 AM
People have a choice as to whether they want to apply for Welfare or whether they want nothing to do with it. Therefore, if a state's requirements for receiving welfare include urine testing and a person does not want to adhere to the rules for receiving welfare, then that person has the freedom to walk away and not apply for welfare. Thank You marie, very well put.

ddn122 Joined Mon 11/05/07 Posts: 12855	Tue 02/26/08 12:09 PM
Its a bad idea for a variety of reasons. Its unconstitutional for one. so are taxes

leahmarie Joined Fri 12/28/07 Posts: 1482	Tue 02/26/08 01:28 PM
People have a choice as to whether they want to apply for Welfare or whether they want nothing to do with it. Therefore, if a state's requirements for receiving welfare include urine testing and a person does not want to adhere to the rules for receiving welfare, then that person has the freedom to walk away and not apply for welfare. Thank You marie, very well put. so lets make it wicked hard for them so they won't bother to seek help and end up in the street cause poor people are all leaches,addicts and lazy asses anyway and shouldn't breed.jerks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- cutelittledevil'smom....... So, you think that urine tests are imposed so people won't seek welfare and they will wind up in the streets. Welfare is a government program. To receive certain government subsidies, one has to be drug free. Welfare recipients are no different than virtually every member of the general population who chooses to make use of some form of governmental benefits, including any type pf welfare programs, tax credits, medical insurance, and scholarships. Therefore, welfare recipients must abide by the rules and regulations set forth the same as everyone else. Please explain why welfare recipients should be treated differently.

cutelildevilsmom Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 8862	Tue 02/26/08 02:23 PM
I didn't have to pee to get my housing subsidy,I just had to sign a lease stating I don't do drugs because I'm poor not a liar.I have to sign that lease every year.Why should welfare people,most who have gone to the office as a last resort,be criminalized for being in need? Believe me if someone is strung out it shows and with all the background checks you go thru,the drug thing will show up without humilating tons of innocents to catch that one scofflaw.most of the people in my complex work,raise their kids and pay taxes.Not many welfare peeps,just a high cost of living the average rent being 1600 a month for a 2 bedroom.I say again as long as I am working,I will not pee or have my right to privacy taken away.When people piss to get a drivers license,I'll piss to get my subsidy..

leahmarie Joined Fri 12/28/07 Posts: 1482	Tue 02/26/08 10:34 PM Edited by leahmarie on Tue 02/26/08 10:35 PM
I didn't have to pee to get my housing subsidy,I just had to sign a lease stating I don't do drugs because I'm poor not a liar.I have to sign that lease every year.Why should welfare people,most who have gone to the office as a last resort,be criminalized for being in need? Believe me if someone is strung out it shows and with all the background checks you go thru,the drug thing will show up without humilating tons of innocents to catch that one scofflaw.most of the people in my complex work,raise their kids and pay taxes.Not many welfare peeps,just a high cost of living the average rent being 1600 a month for a 2 bedroom.I say again as long as I am working,I will not pee or have my right to privacy taken away.When people piss to get a drivers license,I'll piss to get my subsidy.. I am not following you. Are you saying you signed a form saying, "I do not do drugs. I am just poor, not a liar." I never heard of anyone having to sign a form stating he/she is not a liar. Addiitonally, you seem to be an expert on drugs, and seem to be working and collecting welfare. Something doesn't sound right. However, no matter what you say, just because one is on welfare or getting housing subsidy or whatever doesn't mean that person should not have to obey the same rules that taxpayers must follow. If you don't want to follow the rules, then don't take the free housing subsidy, welfare, whatever from the government. Don't bother responding. I think you are posting too much of your business, and I am not getting through to you since you have this mindset that welfare people are above the law.

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Wed 02/27/08 08:51 AM
i do not understand why so many people that are being unduly searched (no probable cause) seem to want to spread the injustice to others rather than stamp it out we should force all govt officials to be drug tested if hold govt office you must be submitted to drug testing after all you those in office passed this farce let them live with it

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 02/27/08 09:00 AM
People have a choice as to whether they want to apply for Welfare or whether they want nothing to do with it. Therefore, if a state's requirements for receiving welfare include urine testing and a person does not want to adhere to the rules for receiving welfare, then that person has the freedom to walk away and not apply for welfare. Thank You marie, very well put. so lets make it wicked hard for them so they won't bother to seek help and end up in the street cause poor people are all leaches,addicts and lazy asses anyway and shouldn't breed.jerks. applauding emotican here Some people children, you have to wonder how they grow so much hatred and inhumaity

Lily0923 Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 20429	Wed 02/27/08 01:33 PM
This has been going in circles... Fact the cost of a 4 panel screen is around $50...how many times do they have to take it, just when they apply or yearly or what? Fact passing a drug test is so very easy for someone who knows what they are doing...Zinc Oxcide and gallons of water...it's not rocket science folks. Fact the welfare system is so corupt now as it is, people on welfare living with their "spouse" who works...ect ect. I'm not against it in principal...like someone said It is a choice to receive welfare.... however the cost vs the outcome certainly do not weigh out. But one thing that people are getting twisted is that employers test for drugs ONLY to lower the cost of their workman's comp insurance, not because they are or are not against drug use...it's a matter of finances. Not morals.