I heard that one of those space shuttles of ours went up again recently and somehow this is probably connected to this Star WARS project too.

hi garden forge ...

nice to see you again ...



i'm sorry you think i'm a mean spirited liberal....





i really am non-partisan and try to be middle of the road...

we all are entitled to our opinions,
but please don't be so quick to apply "labels"......

i just get really really tired of the lies and the scams
and all the vicious disgusting behavior and slander
that goes on among politicians.....

i am tired of them making their selfish careers
and their money as top priority

rather than saving this planet ......


i have absolutely no respect

for hilarious rotten clinton
who has to take flipping "acting lessons"
to learn how to "appear" human

and if my husband cheated on me


like her husband cheated on her...

i would have kicked him to the curb...

and divorced his sorry butt so fast

and would have avoided him like the plague,


but, she didn't have enough self respect to do that


and her greed for money and lust for power


overrides her sense of decency & morality

her pride in herself is non existent

and she just trashes her dignity

and the vows of her marriage


by allowing that poor excuse for a man back into her home


she is no person whose life i would even consider admiring

no role model i hope anyone would consider following

i would never even begin to think of quoting her

and i pray that someone else makes it as president

The most likely fuel that would be onboard would be liquid O2. This is what most satlights/spacecraft run on. It is highly flamable in its condensed states and since it is oxygen it dosent need an oxydizer. Once it is hit by either a missile or the atmosphere it will burn up.

oxygen is not flammable it increases the flammability of other
combustibles

Sorry I beg to differ. In its condensed liquid form it is very flamable. Hence the no smoking signs around compresed oxygen tanks. Liquid O2 burns hotter than gas does. Yes it is used as an oxydizer but liquid o2 is extreamly flamable on its own.

sorry but the liquid oxygen increases the temperature of the combustable

thus the oxidizer placard on liquid oxygen tanker trucks

if it was flammable it would have a flammable placard

the no smoking signs are for the intensived effect oxygen has on combustibles

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem03/chem03291.htm



Oxygen is a strong or hi-energy oxidizer, true,
but it is an oxidizer, so it is not a fuel, so they do not call it flammable.


The question is one of definition. For combustion or burning to occur you need two things -- a fuel and an oxidizing agent. By definition,

the fuel burns in the oxidizing agent.

Both fuel and oxidizing agent are chemically changed but (by definition)

only the fuel "burns".

For example carbon (in the form of charcoal) is a fuel and
will react with oxygen (oxidizing agent) to form a new compound, carbon dioxide.

The oxydizer placard requires most of the same safty procedures as a flamable materials placard. You actualy have to handle a oxydizer more carefully. I do beg your pardon I think that what I am thinking of is more of an explosive quality. ( the no smoking sign thing was a poor attempt at a joke) If you introduce a open flame to highly compressed liquid O2 it will cause the flame to burn out of controle and essentualy ignite. Iv actualy seen this done on a hazmat training video.

what you seen was the intensification of the fuel

not the oxygen burning

kinda like using a bellows to make the fire hotter in a forge of the middle ages

Sorry I was thinking sideways again. Either way, missile makes satalite explode, explosion burns up the fule and liquid O2. problem solved.

now that is a correct statement in theory at least that is what they probably are hoping for

And as long as it is hit before it reenters the atmosphere all the little leftover pieces will burn up on reentry

only time will tell but in theory it works

Liquid oxygen, or oxygen for that matter because it is only liquified for storage and transportation purposes is NOT flammable. I spent many years working for a trucking company that hauled that and other cryogenic liquids. Oxygen causes materials to burn much hotter and faster but it is not flammable in and of itself. As an oxydizer many other materials are more powerful than oxygen. As I mentioned before the oxidizer that is used with the Hydrazine missle fuel is Nitrogen Tetraoxide, N2O4. It contains twice as much oxygen as pure oxygen which is O2. Releasing the oxygen into the atmosphere would cause no harm, and the hydrazine would be completely consumed in the reentry fireball. There is something else onboard that needs to be destroyed. I am thinking perhaps some radioactive material. They use that sometimes as a heat source to keep things warm that can't stand the extreme cold of space. The natural decay of the radioactive material releases heat. This thing was supposed to be up there for years or maybe forever before it malfunctioned. It then would have had enough radioactive material on board to keep certain systems warm for many years.

i heard the same thing russia & china is complaining about our pres of the U.S. going to try to shoot this down the 2 countries probably already contact the pres of the U.S. about this & not sure what he has said to them we will find out when time comes as the satellite down to earth

I would think that since it was an experimental spy satellite the US would want to ensure that none of the technology would fall into the wrong hands. Of course they are not going to admit that and use any excuse that seems plausible as their reason for blowing it up. And as far as this being something to do with Star Wars this satellite is the size of a bus so I don't think this would make a similar target of a missle streaking through space.

Rapunzel, I don't recall saying that you were a mean spirited liberal. This quote is what I was referring to.

"with any kind of luck, maybe the military will blast it out of the sky above the white house,so it can shower the harmful liquid there and no where else..." if you agree with that statement then the shoe fits, wear it otherwise it don't apply to you.

Back to the subject at hand, a few years ago there was a Russian Spy Sattelite that malfunctioned and fell back to Earth. It did not completely burn up on re-entry just like this one won't The Russians did not have the capability to drop it in the ocean and it landed in Northern Canada. It had radioactive fuel on board. What the U.S. is trying to do is drop this thing in to the ocean where it has no chance of causing any injury or falling into the wrong hand if it lands on the ground.

It's a broken satellite. Since it doesn't work, it can't stay in orbit. It's full of fuel, because it never worked. The plan is to shoot it down so that the fuel will burn in in the atmosphere instead of contaminating the environment.