Topic: Did God create evil?
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Wed 03/19/08 11:36 AM
Funches,

It seems you get all the facts wrong. As I tried often to explain to you that Einstein didn't invent the bomb. He was against war and was a pacifist rather you want to believe it or not. If you really think about it you couldn't be sitting at your computer today or use a television or use your refrigerator without the use of his equation that was a stepping stone for many inventors.

I post those articles for you to read and understand. If you contradict them it is your choice.

The only mistake he admits doing is sending a letter to the president, which he didn't write but the inventor of the atomic bomb did. The reason why he wanted Einstein to send it for he was famous already in America and was hoping the government would see the urgency to do something before the Germans come with such a terrible bomb and perhaps even win the war.

Article concerning his letter that he sent.

Concerned scientists, many of them refugees from European anti-Semitism in the U.S., recognized the possibility that German scientists were working toward developing an atomic bomb. They knew that Einstein's fame might make their fears more believable. In 1939, Einstein signed a letter to U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt written by (Leó Szilárd) warning that based on Szilárd's research the Third Reich might be developing nuclear weapons.

The United States took stock of this warning, and within five years, the U.S. created its own nuclear weapons, and used them on the Japanese cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. According to chemist and author Linus Pauling, Einstein later expressed regret about the Einstein-Szilárd letter.






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Wed 03/19/08 11:38 AM
Einstein was a pacifist and not a war mongoring evil demon god like you state funches.

Every thoughtful, well-meaning and conscientious human being
should assume, in time of peace,
the solemn and unconditional obligation
not to participate in any war, for any reason,
or to lend support of any kind, whether direct or indirect.
Albert Einstein to War Resisters' International, 1928

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Wed 03/19/08 11:40 AM
Smiles as much as I see you trying here....It's a lost cause and the cutieful funches will never stop.....so either agree to disagree or get ready to be drivin to the brink.

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Wed 03/19/08 11:41 AM
Einstein was a pacifist funches,

As a world-famous celebrity, Einstein's statements on peace were given considerable publicity. When the First World War began, Einstein and two others signed a statement by Georg Friedrich Nicholai, the "Manifesto to Europeans," which challenged the "Manifesto to the Civilized World," a blatant promotion of German militarism that had been signed by ninety-three prominent Germans. Nicholai's statement warned that every nation in the war would pay a heavy price, and he suggested a League of Europeans to achieve unity. During the war Einstein was a founder and supporter of the New Fatherland League, which sought to establish after the war a supranational organization to prevent future wars. He gleefully smuggled pacifist literature to his friend Nicholai in prison. In 1915 he signed a declaration by this League criticizing annexationist policies of the Chancellor. In a letter to the French pacifist writer, Romain Rolland, Einstein compared the "insanity of nationalism" to the religious fanaticism of three centuries earlier which had caused so many useless wars. In 1917 he wrote again to Rolland, suggesting a military arbitration pact involving the United States, Britain, France and Russia, which any democratic nation could join.


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Wed 03/19/08 11:43 AM
Einstein was a pacifist funchey,


After the war Einstein favored the publication of the war crimes committed by the German High Command in Belgium and France to communicate to Germans how the others felt in order to "prevent the emergence of a spirit of vengefulness."3 In 1922 he made a trip to Paris to discuss with political figures methods of preventing wars, and after returning to Germany, he spoke again in the Reichstag at a meeting of the German Peace Federation, calling for goodwill between peoples of different languages and cultures. In a German pacifist publication Einstein explained how war blocks international cooperation and culture by destroying intellectual freedom, chaining the energies of the young to the engines of destruction, and causing economic depression.

Einstein supported the League of Nations, but he resigned from the League Committee on Intellectual Cooperation in 1923 when France did not agree to arbitration concerning Germany's war-reparations payment. He felt that the League was merely a tool of the dominant nations. In 1924 he was re-elected to that Committee and decided to "let bygones be bygones" and accept the position, hoping that the League would "live up to its great mission of creating a world of peace."

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Wed 03/19/08 11:44 AM
Einstein was a pacifist funches,

In 1928 Einstein began recommending that individuals refuse military service and any participation in war activities. During this period Einstein's pacifism was absolute, and he believed that any killing of a human being, even during war, is murder. He saw how science and technology were changing warfare, and he believed that international conventions to limit the applications of science did not solve the real problem, which was how to end war by establishing international justice. In pleading for disarmament, Einstein felt that its risks and sacrifices were less than the risks and sacrifices of war. People ought to refuse to kill other innocent people.

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Wed 03/19/08 11:45 AM
Jeanniebean wrote:

You cannot keep knowledge a secret


That’s not necessarily true. It’s quite possible to know profound things and not share them.

Trust me, I know this to be a fact.

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Wed 03/19/08 11:46 AM
Einstein was a pacifist funches,

Einstein believed that the production of armaments was damaging not only economically but also spiritually. In 1930 he signed a manifesto for world disarmament sponsored by the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom (WILPF). The same year Einstein warned the Zionist movement that he would not continue to support them unless they made peace with the Arabs. On December 14, 1930 Einstein made his famous statement in New York that if two percent of those called for military service were to refuse to fight and were to urge peaceful means of settling international conflicts, then governments would become powerless since they could not imprison that many people. He struggled against compulsory military service and urged international protection of conscientious objectors. He concluded that peace, freedom for individuals, and security for societies depended on disarmament; otherwise, "slavery of the individual and the annihilation of civilization threaten us

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Wed 03/19/08 11:46 AM

Einstein discovered new information, that is all he did. He did not drop the bomb, or even help build it.


again this is not about who drop the bomb or who invented the bomb the debate was about what lead to the bomb ..and Einstien clearly had a hand in it so let's put it all into a religious content...
Einstein did the same thing Eve did in the Garden of Eden ...he took a bite off the apple tree and acquired the knowledge of how to destroy the world and willing unleashed it upon mankind ...
so is this the behavior of a pacifists and someone spiritual ...so who's evil Einstein? or is it God for bringing both Einstein and the apple Tree into existence

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Wed 03/19/08 11:49 AM


Einstein discovered new information, that is all he did. He did not drop the bomb, or even help build it.


again this is not about who drop the bomb or who invented the bomb the debate was about what lead to the bomb ..and Einstien clearly had a hand in it so let's put it all into a religious content...
Einstein did the same thing Eve did in the Garden of Eden ...he took a bite off the apple tree and acquired the knowledge of how to destroy the world and willing unleashed it upon mankind ...
so is this the behavior of a pacifists and someone spiritual ...so who's evil Einstein? or is it God for bringing both Einstein and the apple Tree into existence


Agreed. As for the evil thing, evil is a choice of action that is a result of having free will. It is necessary. "God" did not create it, because it is not a thing. It is an opinion of a choice of action or thought that it is "bad." It is subjective and all in the mind.


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Wed 03/19/08 11:50 AM
and yet you fail to understand again funches,

The best known physicist of this century, the energy derived from atomic bomb and nuclear reactor are based on his formula: E = mc2. In 1939, when told about the possibility of an atomic bomb based on his formula, the worlds leading (establishment) physicist said, “Daran habe ich gar nicht gedacht” -I haven’t though of that at all. Einstein did not invent the bomb. It was not this establishment scientist.

“Daran habe ich gar nicht gedacht” -I haven’t though of that at all.

His intention wasn't to create or even make the bomb. His formula was intended at the time to make refrigerators! Other scientists saw more in it and used it for weapon purposes.

His formula was for other purposes and isn't the person responsible for beginning the Manhattan Project. As a matter of fact Germany already had this information on how to make bombs. They were the first with missiles and were only trying to figure out how to split a neutron that they discovered prior.


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Wed 03/19/08 11:52 AM
Einstein was a pacifist. Of course you don't believe that funches, yet it is obvious that he was a pacifist all his life even before Hitler became in power.

As part of his work for intellectual cooperation, Einstein wrote an open letter to Sigmund Freud in 1932, asking him to discuss the causes and cures of war. In his letter Einstein suggested that an international legislative and judicial body was needed to solve conflicts and maintain security. In his carefully reasoned response Freud came to the same conclusion that Einstein had intuitively grasped. Later that year Einstein supported the French Premier Herriot's proposal for "a police force which would be subject to the authority of international organs."7 Early in 1933 Einstein warned that powerful industrial interests, which produce arms, were trying to sabotage efforts to settle international disputes peacefully.




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Wed 03/19/08 11:52 AM

Jeanniebean wrote:

You cannot keep knowledge a secret


That’s not necessarily true. It’s quite possible to know profound things and not share them.

Trust me, I know this to be a fact.



But you don't own that knowledge, and others will find it even if you keep it secret because we are all connected and we share knowledge on a telepathic level of unconscious. Anyone who can access the unconscious, can access all known information IMHO.




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Wed 03/19/08 11:53 AM
Einstein was a pacifist funches,

When Hitler and the Nazi Party came to power in 1933, Einstein left Germany for good and settled at Princeton, where he joined the Institute for Advanced Study. He saw that Germany was "secretly arming at a great pace," and noticing "the desire for revenge among the educated," he predicted "the sacrifice of a terrifying number of human lives and untold destruction."8 Being realistic about this danger, he ceased to be an absolute pacifist; although he still recommended a supranational organization of force, in its absence he felt that the democracies ought to prepare to defend themselves. He was criticized by some pacifists, but Einstein felt that it would be foolish to close one's eyes to the Nazi menace. He tried to communicate the dreadfulness of Fascism and the Nazis' fanatical drive toward war. He encouraged the United States to join the League of Nations and to make it an effective instrument of international security. By 1935 he estimated that war would come in two or three years. He reiterated the need for world government:


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Wed 03/19/08 11:54 AM
Einstein was a pacifist,


Einstein believed we must understand the economic causes of war, the selfish desires that put profit before humanity. In 1937 he declared that true pacifism works for international law, while neutrality and isolation practiced by a great power contribute to international anarchy and consequently to war.

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Wed 03/19/08 11:55 AM
Dear Jeanniebean,


you say:I like funches and I like smiles.

But I would like to and my two cents if I may.

Einstein discovered new information, that is all he did. He did not drop the bomb, or even help build it.

Is the man who invented the knife responsible for all the stabbings in the world? NO.

So if Einstein had not discovered E=MC2 someone else probably would have.

He is not responsible for dropping the bomb. He discovered more about our reality than most respected scientists, and some of it I am sure people don't even know about to this day. He was a spiritual man as well as a scientist. I believe he bridged the gap between science and the nature of reality and metaphysics.

You cannot keep knowledge a secret, and you cannot prevent "evil" men from using it to destroy others.

REPLY: I agree

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Wed 03/19/08 11:57 AM

Smiles as much as I see you trying here....


typing? is that what you believe "smiless" is doing ...wow feralcatlady you "google cut and paste" from the bible so much you mistake it for typing ...


It's a lost cause and the cutieful funches will never stop.....


yes that's what me and Jesus have in common ..well that and strange names


so either agree to disagree or get ready to be drivin to the brink.


you left out or just admit you are wrong that pacifists don't make thing to blow up people ...I wonder if Einstein would have did the same thing if he was Amish

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Wed 03/19/08 12:10 PM

Agreed. As for the evil thing, evil is a choice of action that is a result of having free will. It is necessary. "God" did not create it, because it is not a thing. It is an opinion of a choice of action or thought that it is "bad." It is subjective and all in the mind.


only Gods have "Free Will" humans have "Free Choice" ...so that mean God have place you into a position that you have "No Choice" but to committ evil ..so there is no denying that evil exist because it can be defined as sinning or law breaking but there are things beyond evil like something that is Malevolence

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Wed 03/19/08 12:23 PM
to funches,

YOU SAY: Smiles as much as I see you trying here....
typing? is that what you believe "smiless" is doing ...wow feralcatlady you "google cut and paste" from the bible so much you mistake it for typing ...


REPLY: It doesn't matter if I type or paste it. I am trying to make a point across, yet see you choose not to see it.

Einstein is not a evil god, didn't create the bomb, and is a pacifist. You disagree on this and so I showed proof of his recent activities.

If you choose not to believe so be it.


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Wed 03/19/08 12:29 PM


Agreed. As for the evil thing, evil is a choice of action that is a result of having free will. It is necessary. "God" did not create it, because it is not a thing. It is an opinion of a choice of action or thought that it is "bad." It is subjective and all in the mind.


only Gods have "Free Will" humans have "Free Choice" ...so that mean God have place you into a position that you have "No Choice" but to committ evil ..so there is no denying that evil exist because it can be defined as sinning or law breaking but there are things beyond evil like something that is Malevolence



"Evil" and "Sin" are only terms used in a religious sense. If you are truly an atheist, these words have no meaning. I can see that you are still allowing yourself to be influenced by some kind of religious up bringing, which your are "rejecting."

The WILL, (for a pantheist like myself) is the WILL of God and is always FREE. It is the power of self direction. Some use it and some don't, the ones who don't let others do their thinking for them.

You, funches, are letting others tell you what "sin" and "evil" mean. These people are speaking from their religion's perspective and you are still listening to them and accepting their authority to tell you what "sin" is. You are not yet a pure atheist, you are in a struggle against established programming.

Sin and evil have no meaning to me because I have removed the authority that preaches those concepts.

JB