if "Will" was free than if wouldn't take energy to use it ..nothing is "Free" not even you thoughts...to prove this then tell of a rational thought that no one else ever had...you won't be able to because you are part of a collective and are not allowed to think beyond that collective ...but a God could...so that in itself disproves Panthetism

Quantum physics proves pantheism. Everything is connected.

If you just want to debate or argue against everyone else's beliefs without taking any kind of stand on what you believe then I have to assume that you just want to argue.

I have no desire to prove anything to anyone, but I do back up my beliefs with quantum science if anyone is interested. You on the other hand have not taken any stand on your beliefs, you just want to sit back, fold your arms and harp "Prove it."

If you have a point you want to make, just make it. If you have a sincere question that you seek answers to, you need to listen to what others are saying just a little more and have an open mind.

JB

I know funches will hate this! Lol

Concerning Jeannies answer on Quantam Physics,

If successful scientific theories can be thought of as cures for stubborn problems, quantum physics was the wonder drug of the 20th century. It successfully explained phenomena such as radioactivity and antimatter, and no other theory can match its description of how light and particles behave on small scales.

But it can also be mind-bending. Quantum objects can exist in multiple states and places at the same time, requiring a mastery of statistics to describe them. Rife with uncertainty and riddled with paradoxes, the theory has been criticised for casting doubt on the notion of an objective reality - a concept many physicists, including Albert Einstein, have found hard to swallow.

Today, scientists are grappling with these philosophical conundrums, trying to harness quantum's bizarre properties to advance technology, and struggling to weave quantum physics and general relativity into a seamless theory of quantum gravity.

The birth of an idea
Quantum theory began to take shape in the early 20th century, when classical ideas failed to explain some observations. Previous theories allowed atoms to vibrate at any frequency, leading to incorrect predictions that they could radiate infinite amounts of energy - a problem known as the ultraviolet catastrophe.

In 1900, Max Planck solved this problem by assuming atoms can vibrate only at specific, or quantised, frequencies. Then, in 1905, Einstein cracked the mystery of the photoelectric effect, whereby light falling on metal releases electrons of specific energies. The existing theory of light as waves failed to explain the effect, but Einstein provided a neat solution by suggesting light came in discrete packages of energy called photons - a brain wave that won him the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1921.

and yes I pasted again! Lol

well "yellowrose" then let see how open you mind is..maybe I wasn't twisting things maybe I untwisted them ..because when I ask for proof that your belief is truth all you can say is "you feel It is" ...that feeling may be the result of gas from eating a bad burrito ...so you have anything more then what you been programmed to chant

Impressive funches.

But when I say something...take it for what I said and not what you want me to mean just so you can argue..ok?

and not everything in life has to have proof. feelings and thoughts exist without scientific proof...but then again...I'm open minded enough to realize that

thinking about starting funches his own thread where he can argue to his hearts content

btw....that was a joke

wow so that's your proof ..I wonder how many Pantheists can conceive or comprehend quantum Physics or are all Pantheists Quantum Physicists that turned to Panthetists ..do you really what to get into a debate about Quantum Physics..because I can

sorry "JennieBean" but Quantum physics at this point in time consist mainly of theories ..so it's delusional to use theories to prove your theoretical religious beliefs ..why do the religious always run to the logic of science to explain their religion but then denounce science when it comes to believing in their religion..Pantheism is little more than "New Age" Christianity Sect..keep the God but dump the religion

oh oh...I feel a "Chazster" coming on

oh oh...I feel a "Chazster" coming on

funny funny

argue? ..wow "JennieBean" see how fast you decended into acting like "yellowrose" ....which proves the age old saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ..and what type of stand should I take?...isn't taking a stand being closeminded especially if it is only a belief ...the debate is to just see if your belief is anything more than that...a belief or delusion perhaps

I'll take that as a compliment. and I don't consider her an enemy. she has her beliefs and I have mine. we can have an ADULT debate without having to twist or "untwist", as you say, words.

What world do you live in where standing up for what you believe is close minded? The debate is to see other view points

I can't hate it "smiless" because it appears you have a "google cut and paste" addiction and can't form your own thoughts ..don't worry my friend I will help you through your time of need ...just try and form one complete sentence on your own...come on you can do it...you gotta have faith...oops I meant come on "smiless" throw down for the nation

"yellowrose" now you are babbling like they did in the "Tower of Babel" ..don't just say I twist words give me an example of the words I twisted and explain how I twisted them

"yellowrose" now you are babbling like they did in the "Tower of Babel" ..don't just say I twist words give me an example of the words I twisted and explain how I twisted them


I am not going back to copy and paste. I have said many time when you have done it at the time you do it. I'm not the only one that has said it.

Try sticking to what's said and the topic and you'll do fine

wow another "Tribute Thread" thanks "yellowrose" you're a buddy and a scoundrel...oops I meant a buddy and a pal

nope...you had it right the first time. Just thinking of you doll. A place for you to roam free and twist and argue as much as you want. You own little paradise online

yep "smiless" whenever there is science to be discussed "Chazster" will show up with his millions of unproven scientific theories

I think I have a love/hate relationship going on with funches

..er.."yellowrose" that phrase is just an "olde saying" it doesn't mean the two of you are actually enemies ...no wonder you think everything is an argument ...would it help if I add those stupid "LOLs" and "happy faces" to my posts



it's closeminded and delusional once you claim that the belief is truth with no proof ...er..haven't you been doing that

no your "er's" are just fine.

and it's open minded not closed to be able to accept something science or "funches" can't prove