Tomie,

When you claim to be '... relating to actual facts found on wikipedia...', which exact segments of wikepedia are you referring to? No such referrence is found on the Barrack Obama page.

Would you therefore be good enough to give us the exact links which bear such 'actual facts'.

In my reading of the Barrack Obama page on Wikipedia, I found no such information as that which you claim:
- '... doesn't negate him from being ...', or
- '... first to take oath of office on the Qur'an...', or
- '... his father passing on during the 89's...', he actually passed away in 1982.

Furthermore, should you find NEW information FROM RELIABLE SOURCES, which might suggest ...
... that his Dad passed away '... during the 89's...', and not in 1982, as his death certificate claims,
... that Al-Qaeda was founded before it's known official fondation of 1988,
... and that the first and ONLY person to have taken oath of office is someone else than Keith Ellison, a Minnesota congressman,

... your so called '... actual facts...' allegedly '... found on Wikepedia...'

... are highly suspect, and should for now be treated as the 'urban legends', falsehoods, and totally unfounded calumnous statements that they are.

Check the reliability (credibility), and integrity (virtuous motives), of your sources people!!!

Believing anything and everything one hears or reads, doesn't make for a very healthy democratic process!

I do not attack Christians at all. Most of the time on here I put up Bible verses. I will paraphrase Harry Truman "I just speak the truth and it feels like you are being attacked"

Now onto my point about Keith Ellison being the only person to swear in on the Quran. The fact that you did not even say one thing about that makes feel that you already know that fact. So that brings me to the question of how important is it for a Christian to be honest?

This is not an attack. I am on the wall with ALL the presidential candidates.

This is however true according to snopes:

We checked this out on " snopes.com". It is factual. Check for yourself.. Who is Barack Obama?Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu , Hawaii , to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel , Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita , Kansas . Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced.

His father returned to Kenya His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia . When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia . Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school." He does not say the Pledge of Allegiance, sing the National Anthem, nor put his hand over his heart when others pledge or sing .

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.

Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States , Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran (Their equivalency to our Bible, but very different beliefs) Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy. The Muslims (the radical muslims) have said they plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States , one of their own!!!! If it comes down to being between him or Hillary .. then we REALLY are between a rock and a hard place.____________________________________________________________________________________

Just sharing.

Kat

Kat have you read any of this post. This thing you just posted is filled with lies. Just do a simple check against wikipidia for some basic facts. It doesn't take to much effort to see this is a slanderous e-mail. It has even been discussed on tv.


Now you are responsible for passing it on. I would not want to be one of the people that passed that garbage to someone else in the world.

KJV - 16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

I said this is according to snopes.

I in fact kinda like Obama. I am on the wall with ALL the candidates.

Do not attack me for posting what can be found.

If it is untrue it will be made factual.

I am not afraid of the Koran nor Muslims as a whole. Just the radicals.
Kat

By the way...are you not the one who is always discounting the Bible verse for verse?

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I do apologize if this is untrue though. I thought if it was found on snopes; it is proven to not be false???

muslim or not, radical or not, whatever he may be...

our country is about democracy and if he's voted in, he's voted in. if he starts screwing up what our country is founded on, he'll be taken out of office. so what's the problem? are we scared that like bush, he'll do things against the american foundations and not be taken out of power?

I will be much ashamed if I am wrong with that last post.

It has never been my intent to shame another or myself.

I am going to leave this alone now. My self is struggling with an inner turmoil because of this.

Later.
Kat

here is the link o snopes it says at the top "FALSE"

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp



The only thing I usually put out are Bible verses, if you think they discount the Bible that is a quandary.

Thank you. I'm done. My apologies to all that I have offended.

I should have known it was untrue. My youngest is very political. He would have been the first to tell me if this was true. He supports Obama.

I got this from one of my sisters. I will look at it again and set her straight.
Kat

scttrbrain,

First off, I am certain you mean well, so this message in no way touches the quality of your character or intent.

With respect to your Snopes.com reference, I suspect you might have done a diagonal read, and misunderstood their point.

Here is the link (so we are clear we are sharing the same info) I have come across a while back :

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

'Snopes' gives both sides of the story.

It first offers a verbatim reprint of an anonymous 'E-mail' spreading 'unfounded' information about Barrack Obama.

It states clearly at the top of the reprint, that it is referring to this e-mail being circulated.

Furtehermore, it opens with its own position on the general, and most preposterous claims made in the 'e-mail':

CLAIM OF E-MAIL :
Barrack Obama is a 'radical Muslim' who 'will not recite thE pledge of allegiance'.

SNOPES POSITION AFTER VERIFYING THE FACTS:
Statements are FALSE.

Further down, it takes each claim of the 'e-mail' and offers the verifiable facts, which all contradict and falsify the 'e-mail' claims.

Review the 'Snopes' link carefully, and tell me if it clarifies it for you.

Respesfully,

Voileazur.

I'm sorry Kat. I really meant that commandment for others.
I know it was a mistake to put it on a response to you. A few others on here have got me riled by not doing what you have done simply. Sorry

come on Kat...all you was doing was mug-slinging ..it makes no difference wheather the information is true of not the goal is to pass the information like a chain letter in order to tanish the opposition ..wow Kat your're good...heck I almost believed it

To the both of you; I have looked. I am VERY ashamed that I did not look as you did. I do have a hard time reading snopes.
I see what you are referring too.

TO ANYONE WHO READS WHAT I POSTED:

I AM WRONG WITH THAT POST, AND I APOLOGIZE DEEPLY FOR MISLEADING. IT WAS NEVER MY INTENT TO DO SO.

I REPEAT; I WAS WRONG IN POSTING THAT STORY ABOUT "OBAMA".

Sincerely, Kat

Funches; if I was mud slinging...I would have posted that weeks ago when I received it. I should have erased it then. Shoulda would coulda.

Kat

Lou Rawls said it better...if I woulda I coulda I shoulda

Sorry..I'm late to your thread..but would mind telling me what the matter with Barack Obama for president again ?

its official....Edward (Ted) Kennedy is backing OBAMA.....he can't be to bad if he choose him over his friends the CLINTONS.

Muslim, Christian, Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, or even Scientology...It does not matter what religion a possible president is, inevitably all presidents have screwed up to some extent...the best president in my lifetime being Bill Clinton bombed the middle east killing thousands of innocent civilians, but he also reserved billions of dollars for the United States economy in which Bush blew through in only a few years. Anyone at this point is better than Bush, beit Clinton or Obama...personally I'm for Obama.

May I ask...When did Bill Clinton Bomb the middle east and kill thousands...?????

We've been bombing the middle east since 1990, and it continued through his tenor as president...he didn't try to stop it, thus he helped with it. Specifically he didn't, but he didn't try to stop it from happening thus he is partially to blame as every president since then has been.