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Topic: Symbolic Displays
Redykeulous's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:15 PM
Communication is dependant on symbolic representation. We would NOT be able to communicate without being able to relate everything we perceive to a symbol. The problem with symbolic communication is that we don't all attach the same meaning to the symbols we associate the communication with.

So here is the question? The answer may consist of several components, including psychological, and philisophical discussion. These are what I'm intersted in.

For your consideration: Religious symbols; why do some "require" their presence on bigger than life scales and constantly on public display?


Just_Say_When's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:18 PM
Can it simply be the "mine is bigger than yours" thing?

Gurl4Gurl's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:20 PM
mine is bigger too


Moondark's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:22 PM

Communication is dependant on symbolic representation. We would NOT be able to communicate without being able to relate everything we perceive to a symbol. The problem with symbolic communication is that we don't all attach the same meaning to the symbols we associate the communication with.

So here is the question? The answer may consist of several components, including psychological, and philisophical discussion. These are what I'm intersted in.

For your consideration: Religious symbols; why do some "require" their presence on bigger than life scales and constantly on public display?



I don't get that. I think maybe it is helpful for things like temples, and public places of worship, so that everyone can see it and take comfort in it. My little Kali statue at home could actually be a bit smaller. It isn't all that big, but it is heavy. Seeing as she is a defender that takes defends by taking action, I have her near the front door. Hey, if I can't use my protector to bash someone in the head if they are attacking me in my home, what can a girl use?

Because I've found that feeling my own way spiritually to be important to me, I find that a small home display is all that I need.

yzrabbit1's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:29 PM

There is something to be said for big monuments though because no one forgets the Egyptians and their pyramids.

Runpenzo's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:35 PM
Simple human arrogance, we hope to be part of something bigger than ourselves, and when we make something "bigger than life" we feel like we've done justice to our own ego... as for constant displays of religious paraphernalia, its again arrogance as if to say "I wear a symbol of my god and my god is better than yours, therefore I am better then you"

Moondark's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:39 PM

Simple human arrogance, we hope to be part of something bigger than ourselves, and when we make something "bigger than life" we feel like we've done justice to our own ego... as for constant displays of religious paraphernalia, its again arrogance as if to say "I wear a symbol of my god and my god is better than yours, therefore I am better then you"


Maybe that's why I don't wear obvious pagan symbols. I don't think one religion is better than another.

Runpenzo's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:40 PM


Simple human arrogance, we hope to be part of something bigger than ourselves, and when we make something "bigger than life" we feel like we've done justice to our own ego... as for constant displays of religious paraphernalia, its again arrogance as if to say "I wear a symbol of my god and my god is better than yours, therefore I am better then you"


Maybe that's why I don't wear obvious pagan symbols. I don't think one religion is better than another.

I applaud your humility.

jules49's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:43 PM

Can it simply be the "mine is bigger than yours" thing?

cuase size does matter!!:wink: laugh

Just_Say_When's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:47 PM

Communication is dependant on symbolic representation. We would NOT be able to communicate without being able to relate everything we perceive to a symbol. The problem with symbolic communication is that we don't all attach the same meaning to the symbols we associate the communication with.

So here is the question? The answer may consist of several components, including psychological, and philisophical discussion. These are what I'm intersted in.

For your consideration: Religious symbols; why do some "require" their presence on bigger than life scales and constantly on public display?

Could it be to create an air of mystery where there is none? Or to instill fear? Or could it just be so followers could find other followers?



Redykeulous's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:49 PM
My little Kali statue at home could actually be a bit smaller. It isn't all that big, but it is heavy. Seeing as she is a defender that takes defends by taking action, I have her near the front door. Hey, if I can't use my protector to bash someone in the head if they are attacking me in my home, what can a girl use?


A multi-functional, physical religious icon! I think that may have re-sale value! :wink: I like it!

There is something to be said for big monuments though because no one forgets the Egyptians and their pyramids.


Well, for that one I can only quote Runpenzo.

Simple human arrogance, we hope to be part of something bigger than ourselves, and when we make something "bigger than life" we feel like we've done justice to our own ego... as for constant displays of religious paraphernalia, its again arrogance as if to say "I wear a symbol of my god and my god is better than yours, therefore I am better then you"


Is it just arrogance, or a deep seated fear that a persons belief system will die out, without such representation?

Like the builders of the pyramids, the Pharaoh feared they would be forgotten without the everpresent icons. History indicates this fear was real, as attempts were made to
obliterated from history, those who fell out of favor.

Or could it be just another forceful psychological tactic? Keep the signs visible, outwardly, consistantly and often, to attract poeple in a moment of despair, or weakness, or questioning?

Runpenzo's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:54 PM

Is it just arrogance, or a deep seated fear that a persons belief system will die out, without such representation?

Like the builders of the pyramids, the Pharaoh feared they would be forgotten without the everpresent icons. History indicates this fear was real, as attempts were made to
obliterated from history, those who fell out of favor.

Or could it be just another forceful psychological tactic? Keep the signs visible, outwardly, consistantly and often, to attract poeple in a moment of despair, or weakness, or questioning?


It is arrogant to think that we/anybody can embody the power of the omnipersent figures we create to frighten children into submission of the rules and values of our self imposed subjugation...

Jim519's photo
Sat 01/26/08 01:58 PM
These words are too big for me happy

Redykeulous's photo
Sat 01/26/08 02:10 PM
Jim519 - Google DICTIONARY find the one-look dictionary and go to town. It's quick, easy and it's unbelievable how much you can learn. (who knows, you might impress your next date!)

Runpenzo's photo
Sat 01/26/08 02:13 PM

These words are too big for me happy

Translation: no matter how big we think we are in the end we are just children playing grab-ass under the guise of "holier than thou"

Abracadabra's photo
Sat 01/26/08 03:17 PM

Is it just arrogance, or a deep seated fear that a persons belief system will die out, without such representation?


I think it's both.

The only think I know for sure is that it's not motivated by any sincere desire to please God. frown

Redykeulous's photo
Sat 01/26/08 03:34 PM
Hi Abra, nice to see ya.

The only think I know for sure is that it's not motivated by any sincere desire to please God


Now that brings up another issue altogether. If a god is capable of creating an entire universe, what "pleasing" affect could these symbolic icons have for that god? So could it be that some people 'believe' they are somehow 'pleasing' their god by creating ornate environments, and adorning public places with the symbols and icons of their belief system?


Redykeulous's photo
Sat 01/26/08 03:37 PM
Finally there is the question of why so many Christians are embittered, irritated and outright hateful of requests keep such symbolism out of public domains?

If the request is placed on ALL manner of religious symbology, why is it only Christians who complain?


no photo
Tue 01/29/08 06:57 AM

Finally there is the question of why so many Christians are embittered, irritated and outright hateful of requests keep such symbolism out of public domains?

If the request is placed on ALL manner of religious symbology, why is it only Christians who complain?


I'm pretty sure I find this question, and its overall premise fascinating.

Unfortunately I am a bit thrown by the 'request' part of your post above.

Are you suggesting that semiotics for humans is something optional?

That there might a world, or part of reality given by semiotics (symbols), and yet another part of reality given by 'existing out' of something else than semiotics (symbols)???

Just want to clarify this before exploring further.

Great post. Don't know how come I didn't notice it earlier!

:)

scttrbrain's photo
Tue 01/29/08 08:00 AM
I used to wear a diamond and ruby cross around my neck.

I quit wearing it. I began to think of it as a symbol of worship. I don't need that to remember my God and my belief.

It began to feel like a statue or alter. Something I hung onto when in doubt. An idol of sorts.

So, now I just come here to be greatful and learn.

Kat

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