The idea that we should be swimming in cosmic dust was based on a man that took readings on a mountain in Hawaii. Since we have been able to take readings in space these numbers have been corrected. Even as early as the late 60's there were more accurate numbers. The fact that your proof's carry numbers that were obsolete 40 years ago is not very reassuring in believing that your research is top notch


"Since the late 1960s, much better and more direct measurements of the meteoritic influx to the Earth have been available from satellite penetration data. In a comprehensive review article, Dohnanyi [1972, Icarus 17: 1-48] showed that the mass of meteoritic material impinging on the Earth is only about 22,000 tons per year [60 tons/day]... Other recent estimates of the mass of interplanetary matter reaching the Earth from space, based on satellite-borne detectors, range from about 11,000 to 18,000 tons per year (67) [30-49 tons/day]; estimates based on the cosmic-dust content of deep-sea sediment are comparable (e.g., 11, 103).

(Dalrymple, 1984, p.109)"


http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea.html#proof2



Heres another link you guys might like. It is the ASSOCIATION for BIBLICAL ASTRONOMY. They believe that Genesis makes it clear that earth is the center of the universe. You can all talk science all day.

http://www.geocentricity.com/bibastron/index.html

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v7/i1/moondust.asp

Should creationists then continue to use the moon dust as apparent evidence for a young moon, earth and solar system? Clearly, the answer is no. The weight of the evidence as it currently exists shows no inconsistency within the evolutionists’ case, so the burden of proof is squarely on creationists if they want to argue that based on the meteoritic dust the moon is young. Thus it is inexcusable for one creationist writer to recently repeat verbatim an article of his published five years earlier,229,230 maintaining that the meteoritic dust is proof that the moon is young in the face of the overwhelming evidence against his arguments. Perhaps any hope of resolving this issue in the creationists, favour may have to wait for further direct geological investigations and direct measurements to be made by those manning a future lunar surface laboratory, from where scientists could actually collect and measure the dust influx, and investigate the characteristics of the dust in place and its interaction with the regolith and any lunar surface processes.

Well, guess what? Christians are allowed to defend themselves.

With all due respect Spider I think you would personally benefit greatly if you stopped viewing your religious affiliation as an excuse to take sides in an imaginary war.

Claude stated that I was like a child acting out to get attention. That's not an imaginary war, that's a real insult and one which I feel I have the right to defend myself from.

For the sake of creationists around the world, who would like to insist on a verbatim biblical interpretation of the world. The following is why this cannot possibly be the case.

Let’s forget about earthy biological evolution for a moment, and take a look at the universe as a whole.

It says in the Bible that on the first day God created the Heavens and the earth.

Ok, we look out into the universe what do we see? We see galaxies that are clearly million of light-years away from us. There can be no question concerning their distance for the simple reason that in order for them to be close they would need to be ultra miniature in size. Since this would violate every law of physics known to man we can dismiss it. Either the galaxies really are millions of years away from us, or all of physics is wrong,…

OR we might want to imagine that God is a deceitful deity and created the world in such a was as to deceive us. However most people don’t want to believe that God is deceitful so we can rule out the last idea.

Clearly all of physics can’t be wrong or our nuclear generators and submarines wouldn’t be working, not to mention all our other technological toys. Therefore we have no choice but to conclude that the universe itself is at least millions of years old, or older. Therefore the universe itself certainly could not have been created a mere 6,000 years ago. So this is well-established by simple observations that any reasonable person can clearly follow.

Now what about the earth itself?

Well, again, as we observe the universe around us we see stars of all stages of development. Thanks to physics, spectroscopy, accelerator laboratories, and our own nuclear technological developments we have learned a great deal about how stars are born, grow old, and die. This process is understood in amazing detail that I can only wish I had the time to properly convey here. The bottom line is that our technology would not work if our physics was wrong. So it can’t be wrong.

In any case, we see stars form, with planetary systems. We have observed, first hand, that many newly born stars are encircled by large clouds of dust and debris that forms a disk and finally accumulated into planets. We have seen this by observing a large number of star systems in various stages of development.

We also have precise mathematical laws of gravity and other physics that describe this process in amazing detail to the point where we can even put these models into computer simulations and watch as they do the same thing we observe to be happening in the universe. Clear evidence that we have these laws of physics down pretty well.

So where does all this lead?

Well, it leads to the reasonable conclusion that our earth was formed in the same way that all the other planets in the universe are formed. And that process clearly takes hundreds of thousands of years just to form the planets, and then millions of years beyond that to produce the geological features that we observe on our planet to day (forget about any biology!).

In short, the universe is telling us that the earth could not possibly have been formed in 6 earth days. Thus the universe grossly disagrees with religious doctrines that claim that the earth was formed in 6 days, or that it is only a mere 6,000 years old today. The earth must necessarily be millions of years old even if it was a dead planet with no life at all.

So there we go.

In order for the assertions of Creationists to be correct concerning the earth’s age, all of physics, astronomy, spectroscopy and many other scientific fields would need to be wrong

And we haven’t even come to any discussion about biology yet.

To believe the Creationist’s literal biblical account of Creation we must denounce all of physics and observational astronomy. There’s simply not other reasonable choice.

The only other possible explanation would be a deceptive God. A God that really did create all of this in 6 earth days, but then made it appear and work as though it had taken millions of years to come to be.

That’s it. The only two choices for a verbatim interpretation of the Bible.

1. All of physics and science if wrong and our nuclear power plants and submarines don’t really work.
2. God really did create the world in 6 days, but he also is a deceptive God and made it appear to violate his inspire book.

In short, the biblical account does not match reality. Either the Bible is a lie, or Reality is a lie. Take your choice,…

OR,…

Don’t take the Bible so damn literally in the first place.

But that’s a whole differnet can of worms.

Man said that... 'God' doesn't talk...

I wasn't going to get involved. But honestly, He does speak. and it's pretty awesome and humbling and often so overwhelming that it brings you yo your knees in awe.

You speak this obviously from self experience, or lack as it were. When it's the kind that makes your physical body collapse it's actually kindof frightening.

Go ahead, start exusing and wrapping your'brains' around it. Have fun.

spider:

I have not spoken with you in quite a while...

Know that there is something about you that I believe wants to know the truth of it all... just as most of us...

Your comment on defending yourself intrigues me somewhat though...

One who knows who they are has much more success in deflecting false imagery... without unbalanced emotion...

We cannot please everyone spider... just be at peace within yourself, we can however, peel away that 'mask' which causes negative emotion... lift the worldly fingeprint of human misunderstanding... and look deeper into ourself at life.


Hi everyone else...

Scuze... pardon me... just passin through... had the compulsion to attempt to lend a helping 'word'...

Sorry for the interruption...

Carry on...

For the sake of creationists around the world, who would like to insist on a verbatim biblical interpretation of the world. The following is why this cannot possibly be the case.

Let’s forget about earthy biological evolution for a moment, and take a look at the universe as a whole.

It says in the Bible that on the first day God created the Heavens and the earth.

Ok, we look out into the universe what do we see? We see galaxies that are clearly million of light-years away from us. There can be no question concerning their distance for the simple reason that in order for them to be close they would need to be ultra miniature in size. Since this would violate every law of physics known to man we can dismiss it. Either the galaxies really are millions of years away from us, or all of physics is wrong,…

OR we might want to imagine that God is a deceitful deity and created the world in such a was as to deceive us. However most people don’t want to believe that God is deceitful so we can rule out the last idea.

Clearly all of physics can’t be wrong or our nuclear generators and submarines wouldn’t be working, not to mention all our other technological toys. Therefore we have no choice but to conclude that the universe itself is at least millions of years old, or older. Therefore the universe itself certainly could not have been created a mere 6,000 years ago. So this is well-established by simple observations that any reasonable person can clearly follow.

Now what about the earth itself?

Well, again, as we observe the universe around us we see stars of all stages of development. Thanks to physics, spectroscopy, accelerator laboratories, and our own nuclear technological developments we have learned a great deal about how stars are born, grow old, and die. This process is understood in amazing detail that I can only wish I had the time to properly convey here. The bottom line is that our technology would not work if our physics was wrong. So it can’t be wrong.

In any case, we see stars form, with planetary systems. We have observed, first hand, that many newly born stars are encircled by large clouds of dust and debris that forms a disk and finally accumulated into planets. We have seen this by observing a large number of star systems in various stages of development.

We also have precise mathematical laws of gravity and other physics that describe this process in amazing detail to the point where we can even put these models into computer simulations and watch as they do the same thing we observe to be happening in the universe. Clear evidence that we have these laws of physics down pretty well.

So where does all this lead?

Well, it leads to the reasonable conclusion that our earth was formed in the same way that all the other planets in the universe are formed. And that process clearly takes hundreds of thousands of years just to form the planets, and then millions of years beyond that to produce the geological features that we observe on our planet to day (forget about any biology!).

In short, the universe is telling us that the earth could not possibly have been formed in 6 earth days. Thus the universe grossly disagrees with religious doctrines that claim that the earth was formed in 6 days, or that it is only a mere 6,000 years old today. The earth must necessarily be millions of years old even if it was a dead planet with no life at all.

So there we go.

In order for the assertions of Creationists to be correct concerning the earth’s age, all of physics, astronomy, spectroscopy and many other scientific fields would need to be wrong

And we haven’t even come to any discussion about biology yet.

To believe the Creationist’s literal biblical account of Creation we must denounce all of physics and observational astronomy. There’s simply not other reasonable choice.

The only other possible explanation would be a deceptive God. A God that really did create all of this in 6 earth days, but then made it appear and work as though it had taken millions of years to come to be.

That’s it. The only two choices for a verbatim interpretation of the Bible.

1. All of physics and science if wrong and our nuclear power plants and submarines don’t really work.
2. God really did create the world in 6 days, but he also is a deceptive God and made it appear to violate his inspire book.

In short, the biblical account does not match reality. Either the Bible is a lie, or Reality is a lie. Take your choice,…

OR,…

Don’t take the Bible so damn literally in the first place.

But that’s a whole differnet can of worms.

Yeah, 'cus it makes way more sense to take adult dinosaurs rather than their 3 foot long babys.

Wrong.

And that’s your misguided thinking right there.

Not much sense in reading beyond your statement quoted above because this statement shows unequivocally that you have absolutely no clue how evolution works. Therefore anything you have to say about evolution will certainly be misguided.

All you did here is show that you have absolutely no clue about how evolution works.

Sure. All the 120 known species (240 or 840 total?) of sauropods were just 3 foot long babies.

It also makes perfect sense to have one 18 inch square window for a 450 ft long boat which would hold around 50,000 species of animals, and a million species of insects. No doubt eating, waste removal and care of the animals was a non-issue. Not to mention, one can actually construct a boat that size entirely of wood, have it stick together, carry all that tonnage of cargo without breaking apart, and float as well. After all, physics hadn't been discovered. But never mind that, in the realm of the supernatural, ANYTHING is a go!

It's not in the Bible, but I find that it's a much more entertaining story if I read into the story that God used an incredible shrink ray gun, put all the animals in suspended animation, used a super-duper forcefield around the ark, and placed an amazing density reduction field around the boat, so the darn thing could float. But, that's just me.

Many many things wrong with this...

Why would Noah take two of every species? God said "Take two of every kind". Why take every kind of dog, when one pair would do? Why take every kind of sauropod when one pair would do?

Anyways, I trust the following link will anwswer all of your questions.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/noah.asp

It's not in the Bible, but I find that it's a much more entertaining story if I read into the story that God used an incredible shrink ray gun, put all the animals in suspended animation, used a super-duper forcefield around the ark, and placed an amazing density reduction field around the boat, so the darn thing could float. But, that's just me.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/noah.asp