Wondering how people feel about this:
Sending out music, messages, and whatever into space in order to contact extra terrestrial life.

Even Stephen Hawking expressed his concern about that, and that it wasn't very smart and we shouldn't do it.

I agree.
Thousands of people have had ET experiences of various kinds from abductions to UFO sightings. Even the US military has now released having seen UFOs and released vid material of that.

Thing is, anything that can come here is technologically far more advanced than we are. That is a fact, not a question.
None of the UFOs that have been seen made any noise, look at what Medieval idiocy we have to resort to in order to get something into space. We are lightyears behind.
Maybe they've secretly worked on technology & weapons by bouncing off of what alien stuff they've found. But even that stuff is old by now meaning by the time they had/have figured out how to use that it has already become obsolete.

So all in all I'm 100% against sending out any type of message, trying to establish first contact.
Unfortunately we the common people have no say in this but we will suffer the consequences if it backfires. Or maybe better put, WHEN it backfires.

Just wondering if there are people who share my view and who don't. And also why you approve of sending out messages. Out of interest :)

So if we could vote... what would your vote be, yea or nay?

Radio transmissions have been broadcast into space since the very first ones, so the question doesn't arise as we have already told anyone listening all about us, mostly war propaganda in the early broadcasts.

It's curious that UFO sightings often show 'craft' apparently moving very quickly and in total silence, just like a reflection of sunlight! I don't believe for one moment that there are other beings 'out there' who for their own reasons are 'watching' us, like scientists studying lab rats.

If they do exist, they're not a threat to us since, if they were, they would have destroyed us long ago. I'm an optimist and think we have nothing to worry about from other beings. Our worries come in part from the idiots in our own world causing wars and in part from natural disasters, like extreme weather, climate change and asteroids like the one that destryoed the dinosaurs.

I can't say yea or nay but rather it doesn't matter. If intelligent life came here in ufo's they are light years more advanced than us so they would know about us regardless if we sent out messages or not.

Hmmm... there's something to say about that. But then, other life forms may pick up the messages, of the type that isn't particularly friendly :/
It does concern me a bit, feels to me a bit like permanently opening the frontdoor and yelling, "Hello!!! I'm here!! Come find me!"
Everyone can see my house is here but if I'd do that wouldn't I attract creeps in?

I agree, plenty of stuff to worry about here on Earth. Which I try to do as little as possible by not watching the news. Haven't since 2015.
But I don't dismiss the other potential threat, from space. Can be meteorite, asteroid, or UFO.

As for a reflection of sunlight... I can tell from experience that ain't true. I've seen one myself somewhere early 90s. Triangular, clearly visible, lights underneath. Made no sound, appeared out of nowhere, hovered for a few seconds, and suddenly it was off at a speed that's beyond human ability and disappeared.
A friend of mine has had the exact same thing (I don't know when) when she was out for a walk with her hubby. Both witnessed a UFO, exactly the same thing & way as I described.

I used Google to see if I could find out more the other day, and there were 2 British pilots (in the same plane), I believe military, that were flying over The Netherlands that saw a UFO around the time I saw it in the early 90s.

In any case, we're all free to believe what we do, but I know what I've seen. It's not a threat to dismiss.

Considering the vast scope of the Milky Way and the on a much larger scale, the Universe, our tiny planet and our insignificant civilization are just momentary pinpricks which would be of no interest to any civilization able to come here.

Then there is the sparsity of our local domain inwhich any of our transmissions/signals have had time to reach.
The first transmission was made in 1895. At the speed of light, it has reached about 200 light-years. Within 200ly there is no evidence of any advanced civilization. No evidence but we don't know, there may be civilizations but they are not advanced enough or willing/stupid enough to transmit.

But, let's say something/someone hears us/detects our signal.
If the speed of light is the Universal speedlimit, even if they have technology which allows them to travel at the speed of light(c) its still going to take them over 200 years to get here. But, if they can travel at c, why would they come HERE? What do we have to offer such a civilization which has the technology for light speed travel? What do we offer that they can't find closer, with less travel time?

People like to think we are special, unique in the Universe. The Universe is so huge, we may be a dime a dozen with absolutely NOTHING to make traveling such long distances worth the trip.
Would you travel half way around the planet for a shoe string? Does a single mosquito on the other side of the world threaten you?
Even using us as slaves or force labor make no sense because the human body is not super strong, we are not super smart, we can't adapt well to harsh conditions...plus, within a galactic regional civilization there may be hundreds of trillions of others which offer more. And... with technology levels needed for light speed travel it is likely such a civilization would also have 'other technologies' with comparable scope. Meaning...they may be able to manufacture any workforce they might require. Hell, even at our limited technology level we manufacture a workforce (robotics).

NO, there is nothing to be concerned about...Sorry.

Very interesting :) And in a way certainly reassuring!
But, if I may pick your brain...
is it so farfetched to think that another species has ability to move through space at much higher speeds than C?
Take Star Trek's warp speed... I would not expect another species to turn up on our doorstep with C capability as that would indeed be rather pointless.
And take the UFOs from the many many sightings, even alien crashing's... they wouldn't have come her by using snail's pace of C?

As for what would makes us interesting. Who knows. Stuff that's insignificant to us might be extremely valuable to others.
Like the shoelace, if you had to walk a marathon in the Olympics and miss one shoelace it suddenly becomes worth a lot.
Maybe stuff from movies, our Earth core (Independence Day2), our bodies' electricity (Matrix), or us for food. With billions on the planet... lot of food, hihi. Or breeding/healing since they can't procreate themselves any longer (war of the worlds tv series) etc. etc.

Think of the many (thousands) of stories -with scars to prove it- of abductions with testing & probing. How the hell did these aliens get here? Not likely at C?

I didn't know btw they'd been sending messages since 1895! How the heck did they do that??
Lastly, what do you think about sending messages, trying to make contact? Do you feel it's dangerous/stupid or not?

FTL - Faster Than Light travel is science fiction.
Moving thru wormholes is science fiction.
Time travel from one destination to another time in the distant past or future is science fiction.

Quantum entanglement is a theory and quantumly only information has been sent.

~ https://beta.nsf.gov/news/teleportation-possible-yes-quantum-world

FTL travel is limited by mass. Massless energy can and does move faster than light.


~ https://www.space.com/15830-light-speed.html


Billions is only significant to us.
There could be civilizations with billions of planets and trillions of lifeforms.
Our species is barely 2 million years old and only been scientifically cultured for less than 20,000 years.
There could be civilizations which are 500 millions of years established or more.
The Universe is a REALLY big and old place!

Movies are just movies, they are entertainment.
or, do you believe when a car wrecks and flips over it always blows up?

Interesting. Thank you for the extra info :)

I find it odd that Hawking even bothered with an opinion on this.

97% of the observable universe is moving away from us faster than light, no signal we send will ever reach them.

The nearest galaxy is 2.5 million light years.

Just our galaxy alone is 100+ light years wide, meaning it will take 100 years for any signal to reach the other side.

That leaves us with our own galaxy, let's say an advanced, but murderous, civilization receives our signal in 50 years, in the time it takes for them to get to us, we will have been long extinct from either nuclear war or global warming.

The good news, Energy executives and defense contract executives will have lived a very luxurious existence up to that point.

A review of shows humans broadcast,
may very well be one reason 97% of
the universe is moving away from us.

Galaxies are moving through the Universe only at a very low fraction of the speed of light. They appear to be receding from us faster than light speed according to light redshift due to the expansion of space, which is measured in speed per unit distance.

Basel, that's true, and it still has the same effect on physical objects or light passing through that space, the spreading is accelerating more the further we look out.

Since universe is expanding at a faster than light speed, aren't galaxies moving at the same speed?

FTL is relative to the scale of the observer.
FTL is limited by mass/energy.

If the Universe is moving away from us at FTL, explain why we have measured Andromeda moving towards a collision with the Milky Way?
Explain the Galactic Local Group inwhich the Milky Way exists?

Ever heard of the term Gravitational Drag?
Stars have a Heliosheath and Heliotail as they move thru local space. Kinda looks like something inside a flowing stream of water.



The Universe as we understand it has certain commonalities. Star formation, galaxy types and stuff like that.
Its not to big of a leap to think if an interstellar medium exists, there may also be an intergalactic medium which affects galaxies in the same way.

We have also detected galactic superclusters and supercluster membranes (strings of supercluster galaxies) filling the observable Universe.
1 BILLION LY from the Sun


What this means is the mass in the Universe is slowed from FTL due to resistance as well.

The biggest issue is the fact we can only observe and measure light. We can't measure the light source mass directly.
If the Universe is expanding it means we are also expanding. Our mass is moving away from other mass which is moving away. If we are moving away from our target at .6c and our target is moving away from us at .6c it would APPEAR our target is moving 1.2c which would be FTL.

At 14 BILLION LIGHT YEARS FROM THE SUN

We see a sphere of the observable Universe.
It is however, misleading as to what actually exists.
In this view, the Sun is at the Center of the Universe. Our view shows a Universe 14 BILLION Light Years in Diameter. At the 14bly limit, our universe stops. Astronomers like to assume that is because there is no light past that point.
It causes one to think the Sun is the actual center of the Universe when in reality we may only be located at a small segment of the actual Universe.
If the Universe is expanding like an explosion, what we detect at 14bly has had 14by to move away from us. Since our detectors can only 'see' 14 billion light years out, the Universe appears to have an edge. It doesn't matter where in the Universe we are located, we can only detect a 14 bly diameter.
14 Billion Light Years / 900 Trillion Light Years, it doesn't matter. If you drop a pebble in the ocean how far do the ripples go?
The Universe is full of currents, gasses, gravitational waves and a slew of stuff which causes resistance. The Universe is a giant cluster of matter of various densities and compositions.
We can't know if it is moving thru some ultra-verse medium or sitting still.

The only thing we do actually know is what affects us right here and right now. That's what is really important. Speculation on the nature of the Universe is fun, an entertainment.