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I can understand that Lulu. I also can understand if they don't want you smoking on the streets for those reasons, but why couldn't they have allow establishments to choose one way or the other. I would go to both, because I have friends who don't smoke, and have bad reactions to it, and friends who do it opens up maaaaany more restaurants and places that we can go to as a family. heck, we can even go bowling, now. i don't see it as a violation of rights, because it's proven to be harmful. it's not the same thing as telling you that you can't drink water or something... i WISH that they would extend the law to the streets. often, we still won't go somewhere because i won't take my children through the cloud hanging at the door. |
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Okie, don't bank on that one, here in Colo, Boulder to be exact it is illegal to smoke in your vehicle driving through Boulder, haha. I believe the establishment owner should be able to decide, they are fighting to here but I haven't heard yet what has happened with that.
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colorado has banned all smoking in any public establishment no matter if they got ventalation or not. whne they first passed the law they allowed companies that sold 75% of their revenue from tobacco to decide if they wanted to allow smoking or not. this year they went away with that. so now you can't even go into a cigar bar, buy a cigar and smoke it, you have to step outside into a little sectioned off area 50 feet from anything in a back alley.
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Hummm well first of all these laws of each city are put in front of the boards and voted on before they are put in effect into the business first of all very few places have correct ventilation and in order to get what would bring them up to code would rather instead go with the no smoking rules. But most don't know when these things are being voted on or just not aware of when and where. I know in Fort Worth there are still business you can smoke in and some have chose not to let you. But some of the surrounding areas have went with no smoking at all. Myself I don't see anything wrong with the smoking if they have the correct ventilation for it. But.......... sorry I don't consider a table 5ft away as good enough for smokers and non smokers to be apart. Bah, the problem with that is, the votes are not the general public, they votes are handled by the representatives that are voted in. Said representatives are pressured by people with more money and more push than anything the people that voted them in could even hope to match. As to the 5ft away. Why not take away the rights of people to procreate, if they cant afford the child? Why not take away the rights of people to say something that goes against what government wants? Why not just lock up everyone that could possibly commit a crime? Well, what you just said is the same thing, you cant have it both ways. |
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I can understand that Lulu. I also can understand if they don't want you smoking on the streets for those reasons, but why couldn't they have allow establishments to choose one way or the other. I would go to both, because I have friends who don't smoke, and have bad reactions to it, and friends who do it opens up maaaaany more restaurants and places that we can go to as a family. heck, we can even go bowling, now. i don't see it as a violation of rights, because it's proven to be harmful. it's not the same thing as telling you that you can't drink water or something... i WISH that they would extend the law to the streets. often, we still won't go somewhere because i won't take my children through the cloud hanging at the door. eating salt and suger, coffee, soda, too many things to list have been determined to be bad for you. should we take those away from everybody too? the whole point is nobody has the right to decide what needs to be done for others, plan and simple. in order to protect the nonsmokers rights you take away the smokers rights. taking away someones rights isn't good no matter what the reason is behind it. |
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I can understand that Lulu. I also can understand if they don't want you smoking on the streets for those reasons, but why couldn't they have allow establishments to choose one way or the other. I would go to both, because I have friends who don't smoke, and have bad reactions to it, and friends who do it opens up maaaaany more restaurants and places that we can go to as a family. heck, we can even go bowling, now. i don't see it as a violation of rights, because it's proven to be harmful. it's not the same thing as telling you that you can't drink water or something... i WISH that they would extend the law to the streets. often, we still won't go somewhere because i won't take my children through the cloud hanging at the door.  I am glad you get to tell me what to do and not to do, whew what a relief to know there are watchdogs to make sure I don't do anything unhealthy for me. I am so very glad to have you control me, since I am not grown enough to control myself.   
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hehe oh yeah...smoking is the LEAST of our problems. How many children die each day en how many case workers actually show up to monitor their cases. Houston...we seriously have a problem!
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Alcohol kills so many more people each year than smoking ever will, but who bans alcohol? So I say we ban smoking, alcohol, sugar, salt, everything in the world that's bad for you. Then when nothing is legal, we'll all die in our own stupidity. i deffinately agree with you on that! 
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There are so many things in this world harmful to our health. Do you take your kids to McDonalds? Studies show McDonalds is VERY harmful to your health...
SO- next time you buy Junior a Happy Meal, consider that you are walking him through the cloud hanging on the door. I guess my point is that if it wasn't smoking, it'd be something else. It is inevitable that we will all die. I know people who have smoked for 60 years... and still do... and non-smokers who have died in their 40's and 50's.... People need to LIVE life and stop making excuses. All this anti-bacterial stuff- it does more harm than good, too... because you kids don't have the immunities built up to fight off germs if the soaps you buy do it for them... People have survived for generations... but now that we "know" of the harms... NOW we are going to take away rights??? WTF! There are men and women who DIED to give us our freedom... and they'd be rolling over in their graves if they knew we were losing it. |
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Alcohol kills so many more people each year than smoking ever will, but who bans alcohol? So I say we ban smoking, alcohol, sugar, salt, everything in the world that's bad for you. Then when nothing is legal, we'll all die in our own stupidity. i deffinately agree with you on that! |
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Edited by
i_think_im_broken
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Sat 12/29/07 07:34 PM
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hehe oh yeah...smoking is the LEAST of our problems. How many children die each day en how many case workers actually show up to monitor their cases. Houston...we seriously have a problem! it's all the same problem, it's just who whines the loudest and who has more money. you can tell me not to smoke and maybe i'll listen, you can tell me not to drink and maybe i might stop after 5th beer, you or anybody and i don't care who you are, ever tells my kid he has to suffer becuase you say so, and you'll push me to hurt people. |
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eating salt and suger, coffee, soda, too many things to list have been determined to be bad for you. should we take those away from everybody too? NOT the same...i can consume all the salt, sugar, coffee, and soda i like and not affect you in the least (if i'm not bouncing off the walls, heh). smoke affects those around them. don't misunderstand me...i could care less if you smoke. just don't do it around my kids. (and for those that would say not to TAKE the kids...well...everyone has to grocery shop.) |
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Alcohol kills so many more people each year than smoking ever will, but who bans alcohol? So I say we ban smoking, alcohol, sugar, salt, everything in the world that's bad for you. Then when nothing is legal, we'll all die in our own stupidity. i deffinately agree with you on that! I 3rd that 
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There are so many things in this world harmful to our health. Do you take your kids to McDonalds? Studies show McDonalds is VERY harmful to your health... SO- next time you buy Junior a Happy Meal, consider that you are walking him through the cloud hanging on the door. I guess my point is that if it wasn't smoking, it'd be something else. It is inevitable that we will all die. I know people who have smoked for 60 years... and still do... and non-smokers who have died in their 40's and 50's.... People need to LIVE life and stop making excuses. All this anti-bacterial stuff- it does more harm than good, too... because you kids don't have the immunities built up to fight off germs if the soaps you buy do it for them... People have survived for generations... but now that we "know" of the harms... NOW we are going to take away rights??? WTF! There are men and women who DIED to give us our freedom... and they'd be rolling over in their graves if they knew we were losing it. we wouldn't be caught dead in mcdonald's. we eat mostly organic, almost all freshly prepared...no processed foods. all vegetarian. |
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WEll when it comes right down to it what most dont even know even insurance has went up on places that still have smoking sections. So in the end between they can not meet city codes due to the ventilation that they can not afford to meet. Then the insurance rates also going up and to the fact that most restaurants could care less if they have smoking areas. Why turnover proven fact people that don't smoke do not stay as long sitting taking up space. To a restaurant space is money the sooner you eat and get out the more money they make unless your just sittin at the bar and drinking.
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You know what. They ban peanut related products in most schools now, for a pitifully small amount of kids that have peanut allergies. Kids are getting pumped up full of anti-biotics from birth and never develop a good immune system.
The we do to protect ourselves, from ourselves, we're just gonna prove Darwin right. People smoke, deal with it. People are vegetarians, deal with it. People don't like midgets, deal with it. Don't go out and ban everything, because when we have nothing left to ban, there's gonna be nothing left to live for. |
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eating salt and suger, coffee, soda, too many things to list have been determined to be bad for you. should we take those away from everybody too? NOT the same...i can consume all the salt, sugar, coffee, and soda i like and not affect you in the least (if i'm not bouncing off the walls, heh). smoke affects those around them. don't misunderstand me...i could care less if you smoke. just don't do it around my kids. (and for those that would say not to TAKE the kids...well...everyone has to grocery shop.) it is the same, your still takign away somebody elses rights to suit yourself, reguardless of what it is their doing it's not right. would you like it if i said you can't drive becuase people get in accidents and that could affect my kid? |
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Lulu...I agree with you there. I am at least respectful not to smoke around kids or adults who prefer not. But to totally get it wacked out like it is....that is overkill. Like so many other things these days. Example: Suburbia...were they tell you what trees you can plant in your yard en if you can have a satellite dish, mistletoe on the mailbox, or whatever. Never catch ME moving there.
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Alcohol kills so many more people each year than smoking ever will, but who bans alcohol? So I say we ban smoking, alcohol, sugar, salt, everything in the world that's bad for you. Then when nothing is legal, we'll all die in our own stupidity. i deffinately agree with you on that! I 3rd that Well dont know about the state ya live in but open containers of any kind is not allowed in Texas any longer and the liqour laws are getting tougher by the day here. Not worth it to drink and drive at all anymore. No slap on the wrist anymore. |
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My concern is this
for example What if they decide that were over populated, will my children and grand children and so on then be told how many children they are allowed to have if any? What if they decide to test all children as they enter school, and find one child does better at art work, one at math, and so on, will they take away our childrens freedom to choose what they wish to do as adults, work related? |
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