As my current 'main teacher' is fond of saying:

"I got nothing."

None of us knows anything, really.

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Thats probably too short to create much discussion; so be it.

well, i agree with you

I know something, my doc sucks for putting me on keflex;^]

what does that have to do with religion?

you reep what you sow

That is 'probably' the only truth we might aspire to in our lifetime.

Unfortunately, most of us will not distinguish and 'let go' of our addiction to the illusion of knowledge and truth.

It seems, IMO, human beings simply will never accept that they are a 'meaning less' part of a whole. And the 'meaning less' part shouldn't be heard as though it had the meaning of being meaningless!!! Rather, IMO, 'meaning less' would simply refer to a plane of 'existence' where meaning is irrelevant, non-dynamic.

So we all fight desperately to search for and give ourselves a meaning which only exists in our 'illusion making' neo-cortex, and doing so, we are never in contact with the state of the universe which has no dynamic ties with human self conscience!!!

can Voil post something like that in the doctrine of ignorance?

Where's the Doctrine Of Knowladge thread? So far I've seen Doctrine threads of everything but knowladge..lol;^]

My sister bought me Planet Earth.

I’ve been watching the awesome episodes.

In all it’s mighty grandeur, life reveals a secret.

It’s a dog-eat-dog scenario in every corner of the globe.

But should we pass a moral judgment on the nature of the world?

Or should we recognize the message of its plot?

Has life betrayed its children?

Or have the children lost their way?

In all we’ve learned we’re ignorant.

Not due to gross bewilderment.

But because we cannot see beyond our own desire.

Ah, Abra...

Blessed once again... my friend,

Start one turtle. I think you do a great job on hunting down facts and where stuff started so I think you'd make a good creator for the Doctrine of Knowledge.

Thanks, maybe I will afterall;^]

"I got nothing."

i know plenty of things (tho useless, but its still knowledge!)

1. Kittens are cute
2. Kittens are fluffy
3. Kittens have claws and aren't shy about using them

Well, dang it Mass - if one starts a doctrine with nothing, there is absolutely no where to go but UP.

So here's some questions about your doctrine. If we really know nothing for sure, that what purpose is there to our existence? Do we have one? Or are we just fooling ourselves with illusion just because we have become 'self-aware'? Could it be that even our 'self-awareness' is NOTHING more that an ego that can't imagine it's own worthlessness?

The Official Answer from the Doctrine of Ignorance is: I don't know.

Disclaimer: Following paragraphs deviate from the official Doctrine of Ignorance:

On a -personal-, experiential level (and not a philosophical 'why are we here' level), I have the impression that having a 'sense of purpose' or 'feeling of purpose' in one's life is interwoven with our capacity for happiness and satisfaction - sometimes it appears to me that we may be wired this way. (But lets not confuse 'interwoven' with 'cause and effect').

This is an inner experience, and need not be tied to articulated 'purposes'! Its just waking up in the morning and knowing, without thinking about it, that you belong; its engaging in your activities, whatever they are, with enthusiasm and joy. I like to cultivate this 'feeling of purpose', but I don't see any need to state, proclaim, nor defend a stated 'purpose' for my existence.

It seems that many people find it easier to have a 'sense of purpose' if they also have an 'idea, statement of purpose'; when I start to lose that inner feeling/certainty of purpose, I turn to statements of purpose as a kind of crutch, but its a slippery slope to dogmatism (other people must have similar purposes as I! or 'My statement of purpose is right, and I must continue to believe its right and not allow myself to change') and limiting self-definitions (I am the one with this purpose).

As for how the Doctrine of Ignorance itself relates to your question, and as for what a True Believe might believe on this topic - you are free (encouraged) to entertain all manner of ideas about purpose; just be very cautious about what you insist is 'absolutely, undeniably true'. If you need to take a break, rest on a plateau and cling to a particular belief for a period of time - fine. But someday you should realize you are not done yet, that plateau is not 'absolute truth', go grab your backpack and continue climbing.


"I got nothing"

I would divide this into many separate questions (as this phrasing seems to suggest a foregone conclusion): Do we (collectively? individually?) actually have purpose? Regardless of that answer, are (some? all?) people fooling themselves with their particular ideas about purpose? If people are fooling themselves, (or for those that are) is the motive for the delusion a natural (immediate?) consequence of self awareness, or are there other motives/causes?

My answer to all is: I don't know.

But I also think a persons motives for asking these questions matters. Are we trying to fit reality and experience into a box of words? Are we attached to the game of word/idea manipulation? Have we lost the safety of one dogma (now demolished through open mindedness), and seek the safety of a more refined, but equally static, dogma? Are we truly questing for truth? Are we trying to address a personal confusion or issue by seeking answers on such lofty levels? What is more important - personal happiness/fulfillment, or having a sophisticated world view?



Official Answer: I don't know. So yeah, it could be. I'm more concerned with whether 'believing that to be true' might lead someone to stop 'questioning the nature of ego and awareness'.

"I got nothing."

Mass - very ingenious!

I think perhaps your doctrine is taking shape now.



A sense of purpose MUST include ignorance. For that sense of purpose as you describe, can only be a temporary state of mind. If our purpose is subject to the variables of actively living life, then it has a focus on the 'current'. It allows the 'ego' the illusion of 'reason for living', calming it, keeping it at bay - thereby keeping it ignorant. In other words, in its illusion of peace, it is unaware that our purpose may only be limited to this moment.

Each time we switch geers, based on the now, all we need do is create a new sense of purpose to keep the ego at bay.

This would support the notion that we are ALL ignorant of every other persons 'current' purpose.

Of course, within this theory, as you illuded to, is the idea that there can be no true blanketed overall purpose or end to which every individual must adhere. This would require that all those who believe, alike, must all have the same 'perception' of truth and knowledge. As we have seen in recent religious threads, this is certainly the cause of much malcontent.

So perhaps, you doctine of ignorance is really a path to enlightenment. Enlightenment that can only be achieved by each, individually and who can say when anyone has achieved such enlightenment - for in their ignorance that can be no such knowledge.

Enlightened ignorance