To the human, you are right. I dont think however these question pretain your walk in christianity. We can ask question about the bible all day but to determine which question are relevant, WE cannot answer Gods intentions. I dont know what a Day is too God, i Dont know what God did with the sea creatures, God states this in the bible that there are some things you will not know. As well not all things apply to "science" in this world, there are things that happen that are unexplainable, such as cancer disappearing. But these are regarded as what?

Wow.. you all have suprised me.. All the internet sites that have christian chats are usually stuck up or fighting or something.. with this one I would have to say you ALL

Are truly compassionate and awesome christians.
Wish I would have found you all sooner.... and as for all the debates... just one thing I wish in this world haha

That debates would be from the mind and opinion, not from the whole self.. You can't ask questions and have a good debate or arguement about life or anything anymore because it's all now seeming to be that if you don't like the persons opinion you don't like the person.. instead of the true open honest debates and questions that just help us relate in life.....

I would have to say this is the first group I have seen be the better people in this kind of stuff !!!! Making it comfortable to bring out opinions without fighting.. Thanks a lot for showing me true christian ship!

i have never tried to be a "Christian"

I only try to be like Christ!

Ok ok.. so i am horrible at wording HAHA.. you do have a point and thanks for helping me change my phrases!

Awesome

It gets me down somtimes, i have to deal with critical people becasue i volunteer my time at the church i go to, i do the soundsystem for my church, well assistant more-less. People can destory that relationship easily it seems by leading such a negative life-style, yet still attend church. Im not their to please the people im there to please God.

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1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye, ' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
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It would be intersting to me to see how your parents interact regarding thier differences in Doctrine. Seems the only thing that all Doctrines cannot argue on is the Bible. If it is still as bad as i may intrepret maybe you should quote a couple passages out of the bible, it seems hard for christians to disagree with such and has put me in check a few times, 1 time was yesterday.

WE have the Extreems at this site =), there are also some very dark people on this site. IM posting a topic, to try to avoid such DEBATE for room to answer honest question not argue about Self-Glorifaction.

hey Kalamazooguy that's nice to know since you have a habit of not answering the questions in the other threads... so Kalamazooguy I have a question ...as a christian do you "believe" you exist or do you "know" you exist or do you "know" and "believe" you exist as a figment of someone's else imagination?

With over 30,000 denominations of Christianity in the world each offering their own "answers", there is still no consensus on what "Christianity" is or what being a "Christian" entails. As such, what exactly are you providing here?

Further, if your response is "answers" that are scripturally or 'Bible' based, then this raises even more problems. Are we talking the canonical texts? And why those? The Catholic or the Protestant bible? And why that? Which translation and version? What advantage does one have over the other, if any? How do you know?

Ultimately, how are you qualified to speak for "Christianity" or "Christians" in general?

This is NOT an attack upon your character, but a rational, cogent argument, and a legitimate query into your claim to be able to "provide answers to Christianity."

Best wishes.

Water to wine was Jesus' first miracle, it was performed at a wedding, not at the Sermon on the Mount. You are thinking of loaves and fishes.

I didn't see the thing about the wine. In those days it was not known that boiling water would sterelise the water, it was however known that many people would drink the water and get sick, even die. While people got drunk of the wine they did not get ill as they did with water, so it was more common to drink wine because it was safer, even though they didn't know how the disease was cooked out of the wine;^]

Denominations are a result of Romans 14. Romans 14 teaches that many decisions aren't doctrine, they are personal choices that a person should make. Is Sabbath, Sunday or Saturday? Should Christians eat pork? Should Christians drink alcohol? ETC Denominations are broken up on those types of issues, which Romans 14 covers. Christians shouldn't argue about those subjects, they are personal. Many Christians couldn't deal with being around other Christians who considered Sunday the Sabbath, so they made their own religion. Etc etc. That doesn't make any of the denominations more or less Christian. Christianity is the state of a human heart, not a religion. If someone told you "That house is a republican", would you believe them or think they were crazy? A Church is where Christians gather, it's just a building and does not have personal religious beliefs. Same with religions, people are Christians, Religions are man-made institutions, which have the purpose of spreading a specific version of Christianity.

Exactly. Also, alcohol content of wine was much lower back then and they mixed their wine with water.

Any version is good. If you feel that you need to start with a children's bible, there is no shame in that. There are many good versions of the Bible, all of them with something to offer to the believer, culminating in actually learning Greek and Hebrew, so that you can read the original texts.

I dont think i should take this as an attack, but i feel if i "Cancel" out all doctrine i should be fine. Ignore the additions to the bible man has added over the years. If i speak only from the bible i believe i will have some decent luck dont you agree?

i was refering to the "Adapted" Day that we use now, granted you are right on such reasons.

Existance is a word that gets thrown around. TO me to exist you must go farther beyond that this material world. Casue in all reality you live a "typical" meaningless life. For me to exist i have to seek beyond my senses to find my existance and thats is with God casue in that end my existance to him is all that matters. As in a material world, i believe with the close-minded individuals i have met over my years i believe we are not capable of imagination, or true control over the mind, so WE are existant to each other, this life is very real.

Spidercmb wrote: Denominations are a result of Romans 14. Romans 14 teaches that many decisions aren't doctrine, they are personal choices that a person should make. Is Sabbath, Sunday or Saturday? Should Christians eat pork? Should Christians drink alcohol? ETC Denominations are broken up on those types of issues, which Romans 14 covers. Christians shouldn't argue about those subjects, they are personal. Many Christians couldn't deal with being around other Christians who considered Sunday the Sabbath, so they made their own religion. Etc etc. That doesn't make any of the denominations more or less Christian. Christianity is the state of a human heart, not a religion. If someone told you "That house is a republican", would you believe them or think they were crazy? A Church is where Christians gather, it's just a building and does not have personal religious beliefs. Same with religions, people are Christians, Religions are man-made institutions, which have the purpose of spreading a specific version of Christianity.


That doesn't alleviate the issues I've raised. You can't appeal to a chapter in a book found in the 'Bible' to justify an argument when the very authenticity and reliability of the 'Bible' is what is in question. It's a logical fallacy called "begging the question" or "circular reasoning." Moreover, "Christianity" in whatever denomination is still a religion by definition. To call it a "state of a human heart" is equivocation (another logical fallacy).

Besides, how does the issue of "denominations" arise from Romans 14? If one reads the chapter at face-value and out of the historical context it was written in (assuming it's authentic & reliable), I can't arrive at the interpretation you've stated. IMO, it takes theological biases and interpolation to achieve your conclusion. I'm not saying you're wrong, but your inference isn't obvious to a layperson. Which results in even more problems that I see with the texts.

Nevertheless, my challenge stands. Kalamazoo posted he was willing to "provide answers to Christianity". He must first define his terms if he plans to have an intellectually honest and productive discussion with someone like me. I'm open to his opinions and yours, but how can we have a rational discourse if we're not all playing in the same ball park?

Thanks.

I was addressing the issue of denominations, not Biblical authority. There were no logical fallacies in my post.





The majority of differences between one brand of Christianity and another is doctrinal issues. Should Baptisms be done by "Dunk or sprinkle"? Minor issues that shouldn't effect a Christians ability to fellowship with another Christian. Because many Christians ignore Romans 14, we see many denominations.

Kal, you are not the first to propose such a thread. This path is well trodden.

I do have a question for you though. From other threads, I have learned that many who believe they can 'teach' their religion feel they are being guided through the Holy Spirit.

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit moves you to speak to others questions? In other words, where do the answers you provide come from?

Just curious!